[Abortion Thread] (YET ANOTHER POLL!) Taking measure.

[Godular]

No.



Yes there is. Humanity made morals.

That doesn't make sense.

Makes perfect sense. Humans wrote your silly bible, too.

Does that mean I just get to make my own morals?

Mayhap. Whether they're accepted by others is a rather important issue, however. Proper teamwork is an important survival skill.

That sounds pretty amoral to me...

Subjective value judgement is subjective.

[Ayytaly]

Yes there is. Humanity made morals.

Thus humans can veto them as well. Outside the dogmatic realms, there is no absolute morality. Our concept of "right and wrong" is as malleable as the metals we've made to create weaponry. We've come from justifying slavery, colonialism and racism to fetus-killing. Mankind always finds ways to enact misanthropy.

[Godular]

Yes there is. Humanity made morals.

Thus humans can veto them as well.

Aye, and that's what Roe Vs. Wade did.

[Antityranicals]

That doesn't make sense.

Makes perfect sense. Humans wrote your silly bible, too.

Does that mean I just get to make my own morals?

Mayhap. Whether they're accepted by others is a rather important issue, however. Proper teamwork is an important survival skill.

That sounds pretty amoral to me...

Subjective value judgement is subjective.

Even if 99% of people were to believe the earth is flat, it wouldn't change anything. Similarly, even if 99% of people were to believe that murder is alright, it wouldn't change anything. It either is, or it isn't, absolutely regardless of what anything thinks. And without God, it is the former, because there's no law to make it otherwise.

[Godular]

Makes perfect sense. Humans wrote your silly bible, too.



Mayhap. Whether they're accepted by others is a rather important issue, however. Proper teamwork is an important survival skill.



Subjective value judgement is subjective.

Even if 99% of people were to believe the earth is flat, it wouldn't change anything. Similarly, even if 99% of people were to believe that murder is alright, it wouldn't change anything.

Given that the definition of murder is rather subjective, and that you disagree with the definition that is as close to objective as we can functionally get, I'd say it changes a fucking LOT.

[Ayytaly]

Aye, and that's what Roe Vs. Wade did.

And it turns out she lied

Oh you silly goose, quit trying to make this all about you.

No, brah. Justing saying that abortion is essentially the female version of being black-pilled.

[Antityranicals]

Even if 99% of people were to believe the earth is flat, it wouldn't change anything. Similarly, even if 99% of people were to believe that murder is alright, it wouldn't change anything.

Given that the definition of murder is rather subjective, and that you disagree with the definition that is as close to objective as we can functionally get, I'd say it changes a fucking LOT.

Definitions be damned, you know what I'm talking about. Even if 99% of people were to believe that killing somebody who is not committing intentional aggression against you is alright, it wouldn't change anything. Better?

[Godular]

Aye, and that's what Roe Vs. Wade did.

And it turns out she lied

Doesn't particularly matter in the broad scheme of things.

Oh you silly goose, quit trying to make this all about you.

No, brah. Justing saying that abortion is essentially the female version of being black-pilled.

You say no, and then confirm my previous comment. How odd.

[Kowani]

Makes perfect sense. Humans wrote your silly bible, too.



Mayhap. Whether they're accepted by others is a rather important issue, however. Proper teamwork is an important survival skill.



Subjective value judgement is subjective.

Even if 99% of people were to believe the earth is flat, it wouldn't change anything. Similarly, even if 99% of people were to believe that murder is alright, it wouldn't change anything. It either is, or it isn't, absolutely regardless of what anything thinks. And without God, it is the former, because there's no law to make it otherwise.

Or…and this is the one that everyone seems to miss-It’s neither alright nor not alright, it merely is.

[Antityranicals]

Even if 99% of people were to believe the earth is flat, it wouldn't change anything. Similarly, even if 99% of people were to believe that murder is alright, it wouldn't change anything. It either is, or it isn't, absolutely regardless of what anything thinks. And without God, it is the former, because there's no law to make it otherwise.

Or…and this is the one that everyone seems to miss-It’s neither alright nor not alright, it merely is.

By "alright", I mean "there is no moral law against it". In other words, we agree.

[Neko-koku]

Or…and this is the one that everyone seems to miss-It’s neither alright nor not alright, it merely is.

By "alright", I mean "there is no moral law against it". In other words, we agree.

So we do agree.

The universe may or may not be atheistic. However most organisms clearly don't behave like theists.

[Godular]

Given that the definition of murder is rather subjective, and that you disagree with the definition that is as close to objective as we can functionally get, I'd say it changes a fucking LOT.

Definitions be damned, you know what I'm talking about.Even if 99% of people were to believe that killing somebody who is not committing intentional aggression against you is alright, it wouldn't change anything. Better?

Intent is irrelevant. All that matters to me is that a harm has been presented.

And technically, that is all that matters to the law, as well.

[Antityranicals]

Definitions be damned, you know what I'm talking about.Even if 99% of people were to believe that killing somebody who is not committing intentional aggression against you is alright, it wouldn't change anything. Better?

Intent is irrelevant. All that matters to me is that a harm has been presented.

And technically, that is all that matters to the law, as well.

You're missing the point. Popular opinion doesn't change anything, no matter how popular.

[Godular]

Intent is irrelevant. All that matters to me is that a harm has been presented.

And technically, that is all that matters to the law, as well.

You're missing the point. Popular opinion doesn't change anything, no matter how popular.

When it comes to determining what is acceptable by the population, popular opinion is rather specifically EVERYTHING.

[Ayytaly]

Doesn't particularly matter in the broad scheme of things.

That same logic applies to Hitler blaming Jews for Germany's loss in WW1. But hey, as long as his lies motivated people into industrializing cars and build giant furnaces to push Untermensch in, then it was all worth it.

You say no, and then confirm my previous comment. How odd.

Weird flex but ok

[Antityranicals]

You're missing the point. Popular opinion doesn't change anything, no matter how popular.

When it comes to determining what is acceptable by the population, popular opinion is rather specifically EVERYTHING.

What is acceptable by the population isn't morality, and the two have little to do with each other. What if I define morality as an objective standard of conduct? Then will you admit that you are amoral, under that definition?

[Godular]

When it comes to determining what is acceptable by the population, popular opinion is rather specifically EVERYTHING.

What is acceptable by the population isn't morality,

Yes it is. You may not agree with that morality, but it is morality nonetheless.

What if I define morality as an objective standard of conduct? Then will you admit that you are amoral, under that definition?

No, because your definition is dumbshit.

[Greater Kongo-Zaire]

Outright ban, without exception. If it’s rape, punish the rapist, don’t slaghter the innocent. If the mother dies, the rapist is the murderer, not the child. Murdering children is never justifiable, and especially not because people wanna do whatever they wanna do without consequences coming back to bite. Time to end irresponsibility.

[Antityranicals]

What is acceptable by the population isn't morality,

Yes it is. You may not agree with that morality, but it is morality nonetheless.

What if I define morality as an objective standard of conduct? Then will you admit that you are amoral, under that definition?

No, because your definition is dumbshit.

Will you admit that you don't hold to an objective standard of conduct?

[Godular]

Doesn't particularly matter in the broad scheme of things.

That same logic applies to Hitler blaming Jews for Germany's loss in WW1. But hey, as long as his lies motivated people into industrializing cars and build giant furnaces to push Untermensch in, then it was all worth it.

Ding ding ding we have a Godwinner!

[Antityranicals]

Outright ban, without exception. If it’s rape, punish the rapist, don’t slaghter the innocent. If the mother dies, the rapist is the murderer, not the child. Murdering children is never justifiable, and especially not because people wanna do whatever they wanna do without consequences coming back to bite. Time to end irresponsibility.

Amen.

[Godular]

Yes it is. You may not agree with that morality, but it is morality nonetheless.



No, because your definition is dumbshit.

Will you admit that you don't hold to an objective standard of conduct?

No objective standard of conduct exists.

[Neko-koku]

Outright ban, without exception. If it’s rape, punish the rapist, don’t slaghter the innocent. If the mother dies, the rapist is the murderer, not the child. Murdering children is never justifiable, and especially not because people wanna do whatever they wanna do without consequences coming back to bite. Time to end irresponsibility.

Evolution necessitizes mass deaths no matter what moralists think.

[Godular]

Outright ban, without exception. If it’s rape, punish the rapist, don’t slaghter the innocent.

Innocence is irrelevant.

If the mother dies, the rapist is the murderer, not the child. Murdering children is never justifiable, and especially not because people wanna do whatever they wanna do without consequences coming back to bite. Time to end irresponsibility.

Getting an abortion IS taking responsibility, whether you like it or not.

[Kowani]

Outright ban, without exception. If it’s rape, punish the rapist, don’t slaghter the innocent. If the mother dies, the rapist is the murderer, not the child. Murdering children is never justifiable, and especially not because people wanna do whatever they wanna do without consequences coming back to bite. Time to end irresponsibility.

Imagine thinking this would prevent abortion in any way, shape or form.