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What policies would you use to reduce abortion numbers?

Welfare Support for Single Mothers
481
17%
Free Pregnancy-Related Health Care
494
17%
Comprehensive Sex Education
604
21%
Free Contraception
499
17%
Monetary Incentives (Child Care, Tax Incentives, Kid-Related Healthcare, specify if needed)
375
13%
No Changes
47
2%
Procedure Ban (Not outlawing abortion itself, but specific procedures)
89
3%
Outright Ban (With exceptions or without)
281
10%
 
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Postby Bombadil » Sun May 19, 2019 6:31 pm

Kannap wrote:
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Equality is when the man and woman both agree to the abortion not the woman agrees, and the man doesnt but the man is ignored instead or vice versa.


I own a house but the pizza delivery boy who delivered pizza that I took into my house now has equal footing to determine whether or not I can sell my house.


Well if you will keep screwing the pizza delivery boy, Kannap, at some point they're going to ask for something in return.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun May 19, 2019 6:32 pm

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That’s not how this works. Equality is agreeing that people will make choices you don’t agree with it based on their own circumstances. And respect that freedom of choice.


Liberalism is about choice but equality is about no social pyramid no view is superior to the other all are worth the same. If there is a gender equality then it would follow this way but there isnt there is a misandry in which the views of women are more important than the views of men. So at the end of the day it doesnt matter what men think only what women think, yet for some reason people cannot admit that.

Do you agree that should I arbitrarily decide what to do with your genitalia without your express, informed and enthusiastic consent because my view regarding them is "equal" to yours?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 19, 2019 6:33 pm

Akrisen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
That’s not how this works. Equality is agreeing that people will make choices you don’t agree with it based on their own circumstances. And respect that freedom of choice.


Liberalism is about choice but equality is about no social pyramid no view is superior to the other all are worth the same. If there is a gender equality then it would follow this way but there isnt there is a misandry in which the views of women are more important than the views of men. So at the end of the day it doesnt matter what men think only what women think, yet for some reason people cannot admit that.


You keep using misandry. I don’t think you know the meaning of that word. What you’re purporting is that if a man says he wants the woman to carry to term but she doesn’t, then she has to automatically acquiesce to his wants and forget her reproductive rights.
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Postby Akrisen » Sun May 19, 2019 6:34 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Akrisen wrote:
Liberalism is about choice but equality is about no social pyramid no view is superior to the other all are worth the same. If there is a gender equality then it would follow this way but there isnt there is a misandry in which the views of women are more important than the views of men. So at the end of the day it doesnt matter what men think only what women think, yet for some reason people cannot admit that.

Do you agree that should I arbitrarily decide what to do with your genitalia without your express, informed and enthusiastic consent because my view regarding them is "equal" to yours?


Sigh what I am saying there is no gender equality in America so stop saying this is about "women's equality", that very term is not equal because it implies women are very important and men arent. Men and women are reproductively unequal to begin with men can fertilize but not produce, while women can generate ovum and incubate new humans.
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Postby Kannap » Sun May 19, 2019 6:35 pm

Akrisen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
That’s not how this works. Equality is agreeing that people will make choices you don’t agree with it based on their own circumstances. And respect that freedom of choice.


Liberalism is about choice but equality is about no social pyramid no view is superior to the other all are worth the same. If there is a gender equality then it would follow this way but there isnt there is a misandry in which the views of women are more important than the views of men. So at the end of the day it doesnt matter what men think only what women think, yet for some reason people cannot admit that.


Real funny that men are somehow powerless in your fantasy world despite them passing dangerous laws legislating women's bodies.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun May 19, 2019 6:35 pm

Akrisen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Do you agree that should I arbitrarily decide what to do with your genitalia without your express, informed and enthusiastic consent because my view regarding them is "equal" to yours?


Sigh what I am saying there is no gender equality in America so stop saying this is about "women's equality", that very term is not equal because it implies women are very important and men arent. Men and women are reproductively unequal to begin with men can fertilize but not produce, while women can generate eyes and incubate new humans.

Do you agree that the Serbian rapists in the Yugoslav wars who raped with the express intention of forcibly breeding the Bosnians into extinction should have a say in their victims' decisions to abort or not?
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Postby Kannap » Sun May 19, 2019 6:36 pm

Bombadil wrote:
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I own a house but the pizza delivery boy who delivered pizza that I took into my house now has equal footing to determine whether or not I can sell my house.


Well if you will keep screwing the pizza delivery boy, Kannap, at some point they're going to ask for something in return.


I wish I was doing that, but I'm just eating lots of pizza instead.
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Postby Akrisen » Sun May 19, 2019 6:37 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Akrisen wrote:
Sigh what I am saying there is no gender equality in America so stop saying this is about "women's equality", that very term is not equal because it implies women are very important and men arent. Men and women are reproductively unequal to begin with men can fertilize but not produce, while women can generate eyes and incubate new humans.

Do you agree that the Serbian rapists in the Yugoslav wars who raped with the express intention of forcibly breeding the Bosnians into extinction should have a say in their victims' decisions to abort or not?


Under gender equality they would have a say, but under whatever America is they would have no say and simply shamed.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 19, 2019 6:39 pm

Akrisen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Do you agree that should I arbitrarily decide what to do with your genitalia without your express, informed and enthusiastic consent because my view regarding them is "equal" to yours?


Sigh what I am saying there is no gender equality in America so stop saying this is about "women's equality", that very term is not equal because it implies women are very important and men arent. Men and women are reproductively unequal to begin with men can fertilize but not produce, while women can generate ovum and incubate new humans.

Sure, you can decide if a woman has an abortion, when I get to decide your medical decisions for you. For instance, I get to decide that you are getting a vasectomy, the type that is not reversible.
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Postby Akrisen » Sun May 19, 2019 6:39 pm

Kannap wrote:
Akrisen wrote:
Liberalism is about choice but equality is about no social pyramid no view is superior to the other all are worth the same. If there is a gender equality then it would follow this way but there isnt there is a misandry in which the views of women are more important than the views of men. So at the end of the day it doesnt matter what men think only what women think, yet for some reason people cannot admit that.


Real funny that men are somehow powerless in your fantasy world despite them passing dangerous laws legislating women's bodies.


If you wish to see the power an average girl has, go hit one in public and see what happens then compare it to hitting a random guy. Most likely people will react worse if you do it to a girl than a guy because there is no gender equality.

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Postby Kannap » Sun May 19, 2019 6:39 pm

Akrisen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Do you agree that should I arbitrarily decide what to do with your genitalia without your express, informed and enthusiastic consent because my view regarding them is "equal" to yours?


Sigh what I am saying there is no gender equality in America so stop saying this is about "women's equality", that very term is not equal because it implies women are very important and men arent. Men and women are reproductively unequal to begin with men can fertilize but not produce, while women can generate ovum and incubate new humans.


I'll support the laws that say women aren't allowed abortions if we also pass laws that state men aren't allowed to ejaculate and we aggressively enforce that law too.

Otherwise, why bother?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 19, 2019 6:41 pm

Akrisen wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Real funny that men are somehow powerless in your fantasy world despite them passing dangerous laws legislating women's bodies.


If you wish to see the power an average girl has, go hit one in public and see what happens then compare it to hitting a random guy. Most likely people will react worse if you do it to a girl than a guy because there is no gender equality.


Tell you what. From now on, since you’re all about equality, and want to have a say in what goes in my body, I’ll fully make medical decisions for you. I’m going to supply your kidneys, bone marrow and cornea to people in need of transplants.
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Postby Akrisen » Sun May 19, 2019 6:41 pm

Kannap wrote:
Akrisen wrote:
Sigh what I am saying there is no gender equality in America so stop saying this is about "women's equality", that very term is not equal because it implies women are very important and men arent. Men and women are reproductively unequal to begin with men can fertilize but not produce, while women can generate ovum and incubate new humans.


I'll support the laws that say women aren't allowed abortions if we also pass laws that state men aren't allowed to ejaculate and we aggressively enforce that law too.

Otherwise, why bother?


If men cannot ejaculate then women cannot legally orgasm under true gender equality.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 19, 2019 6:42 pm

Akrisen wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Real funny that men are somehow powerless in your fantasy world despite them passing dangerous laws legislating women's bodies.


If you wish to see the power an average girl has, go hit one in public and see what happens then compare it to hitting a random guy. Most likely people will react worse if you do it to a girl than a guy because there is no gender equality.

People my react differently, legally however the court should be reacting the same. You know de facto vs de jure.
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Postby Kannap » Sun May 19, 2019 6:42 pm

Akrisen wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Do you agree that the Serbian rapists in the Yugoslav wars who raped with the express intention of forcibly breeding the Bosnians into extinction should have a say in their victims' decisions to abort or not?


Under gender equality they would have a say, but under whatever America is they would have no say and simply shamed.


Rapists should absolutely not have a say in whether a woman can have an abortion or not. Disregard the fact that men don't have any ground to tell a woman she can't have an abortion, rapists certainly don't have that right.

Why don't we have murderers be included in deciding the funeral arrangements and be included in the inheritance of those they murder? While we're at it, why don't we allow thieves - caught and the items they stole returned to the owner - to have a say in whether the owner of the item they once stole can be sold or donated or thrown away or not?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 19, 2019 6:43 pm

Akrisen wrote:
Kannap wrote:
I'll support the laws that say women aren't allowed abortions if we also pass laws that state men aren't allowed to ejaculate and we aggressively enforce that law too.

Otherwise, why bother?


If men cannot ejaculate then women cannot legally orgasm under true gender equality.


Oh, we can’t legally cum now, huh? This is reading more and more like comedy. :lol2:
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Postby Akrisen » Sun May 19, 2019 6:43 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Akrisen wrote:
If you wish to see the power an average girl has, go hit one in public and see what happens then compare it to hitting a random guy. Most likely people will react worse if you do it to a girl than a guy because there is no gender equality.


Tell you what. From now on, since you’re all about equality, and want to have a say in what goes in my body, I’ll fully make medical decisions for you. I’m going to supply your kidneys, bone marrow and cornea to people in need of transplants.


As you can see true equality is not what you advocate for yet women insist its getting in the way of women's equality if abortion were to be banned. Men have no say in abortion women have no abortion therefore its actually equality because neither sex can cause abortions. The irony is women dont seem to realize this or maybe they just dont care about actual equality and its just a word they use to guilt men into handing over privileges to them or something.
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Postby Kannap » Sun May 19, 2019 6:44 pm

Akrisen wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Real funny that men are somehow powerless in your fantasy world despite them passing dangerous laws legislating women's bodies.


If you wish to see the power an average girl has, go hit one in public and see what happens then compare it to hitting a random guy. Most likely people will react worse if you do it to a girl than a guy because there is no gender equality.


Rest assured you're committing assault either way and rest whoever is hit by you will be calling the police and pressing charges. That doesn't rely on gender, not sorry to inform you.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 19, 2019 6:45 pm

Akrisen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Tell you what. From now on, since you’re all about equality, and want to have a say in what goes in my body, I’ll fully make medical decisions for you. I’m going to supply your kidneys, bone marrow and cornea to people in need of transplants.


As you can see true equality is not what you advocate for yet you insists getting in the way of women's equality if abortion were to be banned. Men have no say in abortion women have no abortion therefore its actually equality because neither sex can cause abortions. The irony is women dont seem to realize this or maybe they just dont care about actual equality and its just a word they use to guilt men into handing over privileges to them or something.


I don’t think you know what the meaning of equality is either. But since you refer to women as incubators, I’m not really surprised.
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Postby Kannap » Sun May 19, 2019 6:45 pm

Akrisen wrote:
Kannap wrote:
I'll support the laws that say women aren't allowed abortions if we also pass laws that state men aren't allowed to ejaculate and we aggressively enforce that law too.

Otherwise, why bother?


If men cannot ejaculate then women cannot legally orgasm under true gender equality.


I say we legislate those things, enforce them aggressively until our species goes extinct - then we don't have to deal with the abortion debate anymore. It's a win-win-win scenario.
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Postby Akrisen » Sun May 19, 2019 6:45 pm

Kannap wrote:
Akrisen wrote:
If you wish to see the power an average girl has, go hit one in public and see what happens then compare it to hitting a random guy. Most likely people will react worse if you do it to a girl than a guy because there is no gender equality.


Rest assured you're committing assault either way and rest whoever is hit by you will be calling the police and pressing charges. That doesn't rely on gender, not sorry to inform you.


The charge will be worse if its done on a woman compared to a man. Little girl gets abducted gets more coverage than a boy who got abducted. Heck most people have no idea how many little boys got raped in history but only know about the girls hence there is no gender equality. Many boys in Iraq are being raped by ISIS members yet we hear about the girls because people care about girls more duh.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 19, 2019 6:45 pm

Akrisen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Tell you what. From now on, since you’re all about equality, and want to have a say in what goes in my body, I’ll fully make medical decisions for you. I’m going to supply your kidneys, bone marrow and cornea to people in need of transplants.


As you can see true equality is not what you advocate for yet you insists getting in the way of women's equality if abortion were to be banned. Men have no say in abortion women have no abortion therefore its actually equality because neither sex can cause abortions. The irony is women dont seem to realize this or maybe they just dont care about actual equality and its just a word they use to guilt men into handing over privileges to them or something.

Oh we most certainly are arguing for equality, namely that you do not get a say in my own medical decisions and what I do with my body, and I don't get a say in yours. Since a males body is not the one being pregnant, only the one physically affected by the pregnancy gets to decide what medical decisions she wants to make with her own body. The thing you are advocating is explicitly not equal.
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Postby Kannap » Sun May 19, 2019 6:47 pm

Akrisen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Tell you what. From now on, since you’re all about equality, and want to have a say in what goes in my body, I’ll fully make medical decisions for you. I’m going to supply your kidneys, bone marrow and cornea to people in need of transplants.


As you can see true equality is not what you advocate for yet women insist its getting in the way of women's equality if abortion were to be banned. Men have no say in abortion women have no abortion therefore its actually equality because neither sex can cause abortions. The irony is women dont seem to realize this or maybe they just dont care about actual equality and its just a word they use to guilt men into handing over privileges to them or something.


Oh, oh! I get it now. You're just upset that, while abortion is legal, men aren't able to get abortions themselves because they can't get pregnant.
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Postby Akrisen » Sun May 19, 2019 6:47 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Akrisen wrote:
As you can see true equality is not what you advocate for yet you insists getting in the way of women's equality if abortion were to be banned. Men have no say in abortion women have no abortion therefore its actually equality because neither sex can cause abortions. The irony is women dont seem to realize this or maybe they just dont care about actual equality and its just a word they use to guilt men into handing over privileges to them or something.

Oh we most certainly are arguing for equality, namely that you do not get a say in my own medical decisions and what I do with my body, and I don't get a say in yours. Since a males body is not the one being pregnant, only the one physically affected by the pregnancy gets to decide what medical decisions she wants to make with her own body. The thing you are advocating is explicitly not equal.


If men get no say how is it GENDER equality just admit its all about women's views and quit the equality smokescreen. Alot of people are getting confused I dont advocate for men having the final say in abortions but Im just showing you gender equality doesnt exist in America.

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Postby Highever » Sun May 19, 2019 6:48 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Akrisen wrote:
As you can see true equality is not what you advocate for yet you insists getting in the way of women's equality if abortion were to be banned. Men have no say in abortion women have no abortion therefore its actually equality because neither sex can cause abortions. The irony is women dont seem to realize this or maybe they just dont care about actual equality and its just a word they use to guilt men into handing over privileges to them or something.


I don’t think you know what the meaning of equality is either. But since you refer to women as incubators, I’m not really surprised.

A man cant prevent women from having abortions just by saying so, this is a wretched misandrist world that is being advocated for :roll:
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