[Abortion Thread] (YET ANOTHER POLL!) Taking measure.

[Kannap]

Let's not forget Savita Halappanavar, as well, who would have lived if she were not denied an abortion. In her specific case, the life of a 17-week-old fetus - which doctors had told her miscarriage was unavoidable - was more important than her 31-year-old life; resulting in complications with the pregnancy leading to her death.

That case led to Ireland's law being changed and ultimately this historic vote in 2018: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-si ... of_Ireland

I'm aware of the outcome, doesn't change the fact that I'm still mad as hell she was allowed to die in the first place.

[Akrisen]

Ridiculous only neural tissue can develop self awareness.

Have you heard of stem cells?

The biotechnology is not advanced enough to create a human from just stem cells.

[San Lumen]

That case led to Ireland's law being changed and ultimately this historic vote in 2018: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-si ... of_Ireland

I'm aware of the outcome, doesn't change the fact that I'm still mad as hell she was allowed to die in the first place.

I dont disagree it was horrible. Such a outcome never should have happened

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

Have you heard of stem cells?

The biotechnology is not advanced enough to create a human from just stem cells.

Factually incorrect.

[Akrisen]

The biotechnology is not advanced enough to create a human from just stem cells.

Factually incorrect.

https://www.bionews.org.uk/page_137440

Hmm very well you can generate potential from just stem cells.

[Runtopia]

why should a rape victim have to carry a child to term they dont want? Their have been several cases in recent years including a 11 year old girl in Paraguay i believe forced to carry a child to term because the law there being identical to that of Alabama. There could be serious mental and bodily trauma from a pregnancy so young. But the fetus matters more right?

Do you have a source, before I continue with my argument?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

In this case it is absolutely illogical. Outlawing abortion prevents women from having rights and access to a potentially life saving medical procedure. Outlawing abortion based entirely on moral feelings is violating the rights of others.

Women have more rights than men in America, men dont have a say in the abortion yet there is a gender equality in America right?

The bulk of the job is being done by the woman’s body. One would think she should be the one having the final say in what goes on in her body. I wouldn’t presume to tell a man what he can or can’t do with his penis or his sperm. I would let him voice his opinion on the procedure but ultimately I should be, along with my health care provider, the arbiter of what to do with my reproductive rights.

[Akrisen]

Women have more rights than men in America, men dont have a say in the abortion yet there is a gender equality in America right?

The bulk of the job is being done by the woman’s body. One would think she should be the one having the final say in what goes on in her body. I wouldn’t presume to tell a man what he can or can’t do with his penis or his sperm. I would let him voice his opinion on the procedure but ultimately I should be, along with my health care provider, the arbiter of what to do with my reproductive rights.

Equality is when the man and woman both agree to the abortion not the woman agrees, and the man doesnt but the man is ignored instead or vice versa.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The bulk of the job is being done by the woman’s body. One would think she should be the one having the final say in what goes on in her body. I wouldn’t presume to tell a man what he can or can’t do with his penis or his sperm. I would let him voice his opinion on the procedure but ultimately I should be, along with my health care provider, the arbiter of what to do with my reproductive rights.

Equality is when the man and woman both agree to the abortion not the woman agrees, and the man doesnt but the man is ignored instead or vice versa.

Equality is being able to decide what to do regarding your reproductive rights. A man can definitely voice his opinion on the subject, but in the end, it’s the woman’s choice.

[Bombadil]

The bulk of the job is being done by the woman’s body. One would think she should be the one having the final say in what goes on in her body. I wouldn’t presume to tell a man what he can or can’t do with his penis or his sperm. I would let him voice his opinion on the procedure but ultimately I should be, along with my health care provider, the arbiter of what to do with my reproductive rights.

Equality is when the man and woman both agree to the abortion not the woman agrees, and the man doesnt but the man is ignored instead or vice versa.

That's like I own a car but because you bought some petrol for me we should equally decide whether to sell the car.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

The bulk of the job is being done by the woman’s body. One would think she should be the one having the final say in what goes on in her body. I wouldn’t presume to tell a man what he can or can’t do with his penis or his sperm. I would let him voice his opinion on the procedure but ultimately I should be, along with my health care provider, the arbiter of what to do with my reproductive rights.

Equality is when the man and woman both agree to the abortion not the woman agrees, and the man doesnt but the man is ignored instead or vice versa.

The perceived presence of a double standard is no reason to make things worse for the women. I might suggest you look towards a male-oriented analog of the woman’s unilateral authority on the matter.

[Akrisen]

Equality is when the man and woman both agree to the abortion not the woman agrees, and the man doesnt but the man is ignored instead or vice versa.

Equality is being able to decide what to do regarding your reproductive rights. A man can definitely voice his opinion on the subject, but in the end, it’s the woman’s choice.

No equality is what I said, what you just suggested is misandry or valuing women's views over mens. Dont get offended Im just pointing out what actual equality is.

[Highever]

Equality is being able to decide what to do regarding your reproductive rights. A man can definitely voice his opinion on the subject, but in the end, it’s the woman’s choice.

No equality is what I said, what you just suggested is misandry or valuing women's views over mens. Dont get offended Im just pointing out what actual equality is.

No you are saying a woman has no control over her own body without the permission of a man. .

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Equality is being able to decide what to do regarding your reproductive rights. A man can definitely voice his opinion on the subject, but in the end, it’s the woman’s choice.

No equality is what I said, what you just suggested is misandry or valuing women's views over mens.

Not really. Like I said, I wouldn’t presume to tell a man what he can or can’t do with his reproductive rights. A man can’t presume to tell me what I can or can’t do with mine. It’s my body. It’s my choice.

[Highever]

Equality is when the man and woman both agree to the abortion not the woman agrees, and the man doesnt but the man is ignored instead or vice versa.

That's like I own a car but because you bought some petrol for me we should equally decide whether to sell the car.

^^

[Akrisen]

Equality is when the man and woman both agree to the abortion not the woman agrees, and the man doesnt but the man is ignored instead or vice versa.

That's like I own a car but because you bought some petrol for me we should equally decide whether to sell the car.

This is equality of views not car ownership. Guys says yes for prolife, girls says no. Girl wins in the end because the abortion debate is not about gender equality its about women being more important than men.

[Highever]

That's like I own a car but because you bought some petrol for me we should equally decide whether to sell the car.

This is equality of views not car ownership. Guys says yes for prolife, girls says no. Girl wins in the end because the abortion debate is not about gender equality its about women being more important than men.

It's actually about a woman having control over her own damn body and not being forced to do whatever others tells them but okay.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

That's like I own a car but because you bought some petrol for me we should equally decide whether to sell the car.

This is equality of views not car ownership. Guys says yes for prolife, girls says no. Girl wins in the end because the abortion debate is not about gender equality its about women being more important than men.

Incorrect.

The woman’s body is the one directly affected by the pregnancy.

[Akrisen]

This is equality of views not car ownership. Guys says yes for prolife, girls says no. Girl wins in the end because the abortion debate is not about gender equality its about women being more important than men.

It's actually about a woman having control over her own damn body and not being forced to do whatever others tells them but okay.

Do you not understand equality? Its like democracy all votes are the same value so all views are the same value, therefore in a gender equal society the only way an abortion debate can be done is if both men and women collectively agree on either pro-life or pro-choice.

[Highever]

It's actually about a woman having control over her own damn body and not being forced to do whatever others tells them but okay.

Do you not understand equality? Its like democracy all votes are the same value so all views are the same value, therefore in a gender equal society the only way an abortion debate can be done is if both men and women collectively agree on either pro-life or pro-choice.

Do you understand that it is the womans body who is directly affected by the pregnancy?

[Bombadil]

That's like I own a car but because you bought some petrol for me we should equally decide whether to sell the car.

This is equality of views not car ownership. Guys says yes for prolife, girls says no. Girl wins in the end because the abortion debate is not about gender equality its about women being more important than men.

But then anyone can have a view on your body, we can all decide anything to do with your body to create true equality.

Your argument is just a point on a sliding scale of bodily autonomy. The only two rights of any concern here are the mother's and the foetus, those are the only two bodies affected.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It's actually about a woman having control over her own damn body and not being forced to do whatever others tells them but okay.

Do you not understand equality? Its like democracy all votes are the same value so all views are the same value, therefore in a gender equal society the only way an abortion debate can be done is if both men and women collectively agree on either pro-life or pro-choice.

That’s not how this works. Equality is accepting that people will make choices you don’t agree with it based on their own circumstances. And respect that freedom of choice.

[Kannap]

The bulk of the job is being done by the woman’s body. One would think she should be the one having the final say in what goes on in her body. I wouldn’t presume to tell a man what he can or can’t do with his penis or his sperm. I would let him voice his opinion on the procedure but ultimately I should be, along with my health care provider, the arbiter of what to do with my reproductive rights.

Equality is when the man and woman both agree to the abortion not the woman agrees, and the man doesnt but the man is ignored instead or vice versa.

I own a house but the pizza delivery boy who delivered pizza that I took into my house now has equal footing to determine whether or not I can sell my house.

[Kannap]

It's actually about a woman having control over her own damn body and not being forced to do whatever others tells them but okay.

Do you not understand equality? Its like democracy all votes are the same value so all views are the same value, therefore in a gender equal society the only way an abortion debate can be done is if both men and women collectively agree on either pro-life or pro-choice.

Except that's not how it works at all.

[Akrisen]

Do you not understand equality? Its like democracy all votes are the same value so all views are the same value, therefore in a gender equal society the only way an abortion debate can be done is if both men and women collectively agree on either pro-life or pro-choice.

That’s not how this works. Equality is agreeing that people will make choices you don’t agree with it based on their own circumstances. And respect that freedom of choice.

Liberalism is about choice but equality is about no social pyramid no view is superior to the other all are worth the same. If there is a gender equality then it would follow this way but there isnt there is a misandry in which the views of women are more important than the views of men. So at the end of the day it doesnt matter what men think only what women think, yet for some reason people cannot admit that.