[Abortion Thread] (YET ANOTHER POLL!) Taking measure.

[Highever]

Oh yeah they have way more rights in America. Like the new right to be forced to carry a pregnancy to term regardless of circumstance no matter their age. I would day men have plenty of say considering men are behind the legislation that made this wretched law a thing.

Those men are merely responding to the equal desires of their constituents.

Peoples opinions end where others rights begin. If a state had a population that believed those of certain races should be denied rights that doesnt now mean the state must give into the demands of these desires and prevent those people from having rights.

[San Lumen]

No they technically are not human. They have no legal rights and if you say they are persons you have giving them rights no else has.

Consent when it comes to bodily function is important. If we say pregnancy cannot be ended except for medical reasons what’s to stop mandatory organ donation or other things?

Yes, they are objectively human. That is scientifically indisputable. The fact that they have no legal rights does not make them any less human.

And you also do not have a right to someones person without their consent therefore a saying a fetus is a person you a giving them a right no one else has.

Did you know that for reason unknown about 50 percent of fertilized eggs never implant in the uterus? If life begins at conception isn't any woman whose had more than one menstrual cycle a serial killer?

[Akrisen]

You dont need empathy to help others, many mammals lack affective empathy yet help their own kind in a more robotic manner. Just observe eusocial insects no care for each other at all yet they are so intune with one another. Our own cells lack empathy yet work together to do their functions, empathy being needed for collective effort of living organism is pure nonsense.

And yet in humans it is either empathy or logic that drives one to help another. Case in point, England’s Poor Laws. They were most certainly not based on logic (Although they served a logical purpose.) The examples of mammals are not useful because we are self aware-and not completely logical.

Logic is not why humans help each other its pure animalistic instinct. Babies dont help other babies because of logic they do it because of instinct the same to lower primates like chimps or gibbons.

[Akrisen]

Those men are merely responding to the equal desires of their constituents.

Peoples opinions end where others rights begin

Yes and an unborn child is morally pure thus its rights are above that of any adult women morally speaking so your own reasoning can be used against you.

[Highever]

Peoples opinions end where others rights begin

Yes and an unborn child is morally pure thus its rights are above that of any adult women morally speaking so your own reasoning can be used against you.

Except it cant because a fetus is not a person or citizen and is not subject to legal rights, unlike an adult human female.

[Northern Davincia]

Those men are merely responding to the equal desires of their constituents.

Peoples opinions end where others rights begin. If a state had a population that believed those of certain races should be denied rights that doesnt now mean the state must give into the demands of these desires and prevent those people from having rights.

I agree with you on principle, but it is not merely a men vs. women issue.

Yes, they are objectively human. That is scientifically indisputable. The fact that they have no legal rights does not make them any less human.

And you also do not have a right to someones person without their consent therefore a saying a fetus is a person you a giving them a right no one else has.

Did you know that for reason unknown about 50 percent of fertilized eggs never implant in the uterus? If life begins at conception isn't any woman whose had more than one menstrual cycle a serial killer?

I only say the fetus should not be killed. If it were possible to transfer them into an artificial womb, I'd favor that solution immediately.
Serial killers act willingly in their crimes, y'know. It is not the woman's fault if an egg is not implanted in the uterus.

[Vassenor]

Peoples opinions end where others rights begin

Yes and an unborn child is morally pure thus its rights are above that of any adult women morally speaking so your own reasoning can be used against you.

So basically women have no right to control the use of their bodies because it offends your morality.

[Kowani]

And yet in humans it is either empathy or logic that drives one to help another. Case in point, England’s Poor Laws. They were most certainly not based on logic (Although they served a logical purpose.) The examples of mammals are not useful because we are self aware-and not completely logical.

Logic is not why humans help each other its pure animalistic instinct. Babies dont help other babies because of logic they do it because of instinct the same to lower primates like chimps or gibbons.

Instinct can work towards a logical end, such as here-the continued survival of the species.

[Godular]

Peoples opinions end where others rights begin

Yes and an unborn child is morally pure

Opinion.

thus its rights are above that of any adult women

Strange how 'moral purity' has no grounds in legal situations. What the fuck even is 'morally pure' anyway? Another subjective value judgement that has no place in the discussion? Sounds like that's what it is.

morally speaking so your own reasoning can be used against you.

It really can't.

[Feng Dynasty]

Yes and an unborn child is morally pure thus its rights are above that of any adult women morally speaking so your own reasoning can be used against you.

Except it cant because a fetus is not a person or citizen and is not subject to legal rights, unlike an adult human female.

Even if they are not considered human officially, they are stilll human. A defnition of a human is: "a bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens)" (according to the Merriam Webster dictionary."

[Akrisen]

Yes and an unborn child is morally pure thus its rights are above that of any adult women morally speaking so your own reasoning can be used against you.

So basically women have no right to control the use of their bodies because it offends your morality.

No you misunderstand, Im showing him how his/her line of reasoning can easily be used against him/her to justify abortion which he/she isnt in favor of. Any sane human values children over adults in moral reasoning thats why they often use kids in political propaganda really tugs on the moral strings on people.

[Highever]

Except it cant because a fetus is not a person or citizen and is not subject to legal rights, unlike an adult human female.

Even if they are not considered human officially, they are stilll human. A defnition of a human is: "a bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens)" (according to the Merriam Webster dictionary."

And? They are not individuals or citizens so how does that matter in legal terms?

[Akrisen]

Logic is not why humans help each other its pure animalistic instinct. Babies dont help other babies because of logic they do it because of instinct the same to lower primates like chimps or gibbons.

Instinct can work towards a logical end, such as here-the continued survival of the species.

Instinct is thoughtless so it cannot be logical.

[Feng Dynasty]

Even if they are not considered human officially, they are stilll human. A defnition of a human is: "a bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens)" (according to the Merriam Webster dictionary."

And? They are not individuals or citizens so how does that matter in legal terms?

So you are saying a human can be killed because they are not a citizen?

[Kowani]

Except it cant because a fetus is not a person or citizen and is not subject to legal rights, unlike an adult human female.

Even if they are not considered human officially, they are stilll human. A defnition of a human is: "a bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens)" (according to the Merriam Webster dictionary."

A fetus isn’t bipedal for about at least 24 weeks.

[Highever]

And? They are not individuals or citizens so how does that matter in legal terms?

So you are saying a human can be killed because they are not a citizen?

No I am saying they have no rights because they are not individuals, unlike an adult human female.

[Feng Dynasty]

Even if they are not considered human officially, they are stilll human. A defnition of a human is: "a bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens)" (according to the Merriam Webster dictionary."

A fetus isn’t bipedal for about at least 24 weeks.

But still, it is undisputable that they are a human.

[Kowani]

Instinct can work towards a logical end, such as here-the continued survival of the species.

Instinct is thoughtless so it cannot be logical.

That wasn’t what I claimed. A thoughtless action can have a logical end, that is, an end that works if viewed through the lens of logic.

[Northern Davincia]

So you are saying a human can be killed because they are not a citizen?

No I am saying they have no rights because they are not individuals, unlike an adult human female.

Do conjoined twins have rights?

[Akrisen]

Fetuses are not human or self aware so people rationalize killing them because its the same as killing a jellyfish. We were once as simple mentally as them yet our moms decided to let us exist onwards.

[Kowani]

A fetus isn’t bipedal for about at least 24 weeks.

But still, it is undisputable that they are a human.

Nobody here is claiming that they aren’t human, they’re claiming that they aren’t a person, which is quite different.

[Kannap]

My thoughts on abortion legislation, boiled down to its simplest form:

1. The physical bodies of citizens are not government property
2. Every single person has a God given free will to decide what to do with their own bodies.

[Feng Dynasty]

Fetuses are not human or self aware so people rationalize killing them because its the same as killing a jellyfish. We were once as simple mentally as them yet our moms decided to let us exist onwards.

I agree. What if the fetus was you? What if you don't exist right now because you were aborted?

[Godular]

Fetuses are not human or self aware so people rationalize killing them because its the same as killing a jellyfish. We were once as simple mentally as them yet our moms decided to let us exist onwards.

Because they made that choice.

[Feng Dynasty]

Fetuses are not human or self aware so people rationalize killing them because its the same as killing a jellyfish. We were once as simple mentally as them yet our moms decided to let us exist onwards.

Because they made that choice.

What if the fetus was you? What if you don't exist right now because you were aborted?