[Abortion Thread] (YET ANOTHER POLL!) Taking measure.

[Katganistan]

So? Legal abortions are restricted at the 24 week mark anyway.

So everything else has failed, and now you are resorting to appeals to emotion?

"everything else has failed" Really? How about the fact that it is child murder,

It's not. Murder is illegal killing. Where abortion is legal, it's not murder.

anti-Christian,

I can't tell you how little that means to non-Christians.

a violation of the unborn's rights,

What rights? Enumerate them.

irresponsible for the most part as they could have used contraceptives (although in rare cases this fails, and doesn't apply to rape obviously),

You just admitted they fail. Even under perfect use, they fail, and most times they are not utilized perfectly.

instead of stepping up and acting like an adult,

Abortion is a responsible, adult decision.

when realizing that they brought life into the world, and it is their duty to care for it

Nope. There is no life "brought into the world" if it is not born, and it is no one's duty to have or raise a child they don't want, can't afford, or potentially is ruinous to their health/fatal

it's unnatural, what animals kill their own offspring thru abortion because it's an inconvenience? Etc. etc. etc.

You shouldn't have brought up animals and nature.
Why Do Animals Sometimes Kill Their Babies?
Filial Cannibalism: Why Do Animals Sometimes Kill And Eat Their Own Young
Why Some Mannals Kill Babies of Their Own Kind
Why Some Animals Eat Their Young

there are plenty of people who would love to adopt a child

https://www.childrensrights.org/newsroo ... ster-care/

On any given day, there are nearly 443,000 children in foster care in the United States.

In 2017, more than 690,000 children spent time in U.S. foster care.

On average, children remain in state care for nearly two years and six percent of children in foster care have languished there for five or more years.

Despite the common perception that the majority of children in foster care are very young, the average age of kids entering care is 8.

In 2017, one third of children entering U.S. foster care were young people of color.

While most children in foster care live in family settings, a substantial minority — 11 percent — live in institutions or group homes.

In 2017, more than 69,000 children – whose mothers’ and fathers’ parental rights had been legally terminated – were waiting to be adopted.

In 2017, more than 17,000 young people aged out of foster care without permanent families. Research has shown that those who leave care without being linked to forever families have a higher likelihood than youth in the general population to experience homelessness, unemployment and incarceration as adults.

So along with all the appeal to emotion, your arguments are factually incorrect.

It does in some cases.

Murder requires the action to be illegal.

Yeah, so I guess that means the holocaust didn't involve murder, as the Jews didn't have rights.

Don't Godwin. It's not clever and it's offensive. Also: the Jews, Romani, Political dissidents, mentally and physically challeged, twins, homosexuals and other "undesirables" murdered by the Nazis were just that -- murdered -- because they were born people.

Adoption and after birth services need to be expanded, yes. Abortion is manslaughter after 24 weeks when the fetus becomes a sentient being. The murder of a sentient being with resonable provocation is manslaughter. Except most abortions occur due to unwanted fetuses, not because the woman’s life is on the line or she was raped.

Can you please stop making up new definitions to suit yourself?
Abortion is not manslaughter.

This is my main argument the fetus is a human before 24 weeks in 1 article Enjoy!

No one has said it is not human. Enjoy!

Meanwhile the Texas GOP wants to make women exercising the right to control their bodies a capital crime.

Sanctity of life, man.

[The Free Joy State]

But, if someone hits me and I bruise, I am entitled to treat the results of the violation (the bruise) in any way I see fit and so remove the stain from my flesh (cold beef, ice pack, elevating the area, aloe vera… whatever).

The bruise may be "natural", but no-one says, "it's God's will you got hit, so you must bear the results for however long it takes".

So, if someone impregnates a woman (especially in a way that would be termed violating), surely -- by your own comparison -- she is entitled to treat the results, similarly to how she would a bruise, however she would choose, up to and including an abortion?

A bruise, however, is something that body corrects on its own and thus treatment is merely aiding that process. Abortions are not natural. The body has no mechanism for performing one.

The body does have a natural mechanism for aborting a foetus it cannot maintain: miscarriage (sometimes termed a "spontaneous abortion").

An induced abortion is merely aiding that process.

[The Republic of Fore]

I also wish we could focus on more important topics.

*shrug* No one's forced you to post here.

*Shrug* Never said I was forced to post here. My opinion was asked, and my opinion is that everyone should focus on more important topics.

[The New California Republic]

*shrug* No one's forced you to post here.

*Shrug* Never said I was forced to post here. My opinion was asked, and my opinion is that everyone should focus on more important topics.

Strange; but alright, whatever.

[The Alma Mater]

A bruise, however, is something that body corrects on its own and thus treatment is merely aiding that process. Abortions are not natural. The body has no mechanism for performing one.

About 50% of all pregnancies ends in a natural abortion.
The body certainly is quite able.

[Katganistan]

A bruise, however, is something that body corrects on its own and thus treatment is merely aiding that process. Abortions are not natural. The body has no mechanism for performing one.

About 50% of all pregnancies ends in a natural abortion.
The body certainly is quite able.

Well, since it is natural, by all means, medical ones should be no big deal.

[New haven america]

But, if someone hits me and I bruise, I am entitled to treat the results of the violation (the bruise) in any way I see fit and so remove the stain from my flesh (cold beef, ice pack, elevating the area, aloe vera… whatever).

The bruise may be "natural", but no-one says, "it's God's will you got hit, so you must bear the results for however long it takes".

So, if someone impregnates a woman (especially in a way that would be termed violating), surely -- by your own comparison -- she is entitled to treat the results, similarly to how she would a bruise, however she would choose, up to and including an abortion?

A bruise, however, is something that body corrects on its own and thus treatment is merely aiding that process. Abortions are not natural. The body has no mechanism for performing one.

I know this has been stated before, but about 1/2 of pregnancies end in a natural abortion (Miscarriage).

Also, the human body views embryos and fetuses as parasites, so it spends 9-10 months trying to kill it.

[Oxes Republic]

Yes but this “cancer” was a complete choice by you. You chose to give up some personal space and nutrients and money to create another human being to aid the world. If you chose this (which is why abortion should be legal for rape victims), this “clump Of cells” was meant to be their and therefore since it has predetermined potential and purpose, it is a human and deserves to live.

[The V O I D]

Yes but this “cancer” was a complete choice by you. You chose to give up some personal space and nutrients and money to create another human being to aid the world. If you chose this (which is why abortion should be legal for rape victims), this “clump Of cells” was meant to be their and therefore since it has predetermined potential and purpose, it is a human and deserves to live.

This, again? How many times do we have to say it: consent to sex is not, has never been, and will never be consent to pregnancy. You can desire to have sex without desiring to be pregnant, as well as fulfill this desire and end up pregnant despite precautionary measures. In these cases, abortion exists if a woman still desires to not be pregnant after the fact.

Even if (and that is a very, very, very, very strong 'if' there) consent to sex were consent to pregnancy - just as consent to sex can be revoked during the act of sex (making it rape if the other party continues), consent can be revoked from pregnancy and the fetus remaining inside the womb. Therefore: abortion.

[The New California Republic]

Yes but this “cancer” was a complete choice by you.

Who...who are you talking to??

You chose to give up some personal space and nutrients and money to create another human being to aid the world.

And that's fine for the women who choose that.

If you chose this (which is why abortion should be legal for rape victims), this “clump Of cells” was meant to be their and therefore since it has predetermined potential and purpose.

And nobody has a problem with women choosing to continue with the pregnancy. I really don't see what you are trying to achieve by mentioning this, as it seems entirely redundant. It's as obvious and pointless as exclaiming "the sun shines!"...

it is a human and deserves to live.

Wait, at first you were talking about the choice of the woman, and now you just drop this complete non sequitur in at the end?

[Oxes Republic]

The only purpose of sex is to reproduce and have abortion, most other reasons are legal crimes. And by having it the only logical purpose should be to reproduce and therefore you must have consent from both sides. Once they initial action is over, consent is set in stone and you must produce a human being. If not you are not giving a fair chance to the fetus to live even though you already consented on their life and gave it purpose. You are taking millions of chances away from the fetus that by having the affair are given to the fetus.

[Genivaria]

The only purpose of sex is to reproduce and have abortion, most other reasons are legal crimes. And by having it the only logical purpose should be to reproduce and therefore you must have consent from both sides. Once they initial action is over, consent is set in stone and you must produce a human being. If not you are not giving a fair chance to the fetus to live even though you already consented on their life and gave it purpose. You are taking millions of chances away from the fetus that by having the affair are given to the fetus.

So you think non-reproductive sex should be illegal? Wtf dude.

Once they initial action is over, consent is set in stone and you must produce a human being

Uh no, you cannot just manufacture consent for someone else.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The only purpose of sex is to reproduce and have abortion, most other reasons are legal crimes.

This statement should be received with nothing else except blatant, guffawing ridicule.

[Oxes Republic]

In a logical and biological sense the only purpose of sex should be to reproduce because other than that it does absolutley nothing. I’m not saying it should be illegal but one must regard the consequences of having it, and shouldn’t have a cheat way out of it by ending a life

[The New California Republic]

The only purpose of sex is to reproduce and have abortion, most other reasons are legal crimes.

Sex for pleasure is a crime? Lol wut.

And by having it the only logical purpose should be to reproduce and therefore you must have consent from both sides. Once they initial action is over, consent is set in stone and you must produce a human being.

That doesn't follow, on account of the fact that sex is not just for preggers.

If not you are not giving a fair chance to the fetus to live even though you already consented on their life and gave it purpose.

Consent for sex =/= consent to pregnancy. Seriously man, how many times do we have to say this?

You are taking millions of chances away from the fetus that by having the affair are given to the fetus.

Word salad.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

In a logical and biological sense the only purpose of sex should be to reproduce because other than that it does absolutley nothing.

:rofl:

[The V O I D]

The only purpose of sex is to reproduce and have abortion, most other reasons are legal crimes. And by having it the only logical purpose should be to reproduce and therefore you must have consent from both sides. Once they initial action is over, consent is set in stone and you must produce a human being. If not you are not giving a fair chance to the fetus to live even though you already consented on their life and gave it purpose. You are taking millions of chances away from the fetus that by having the affair are given to the fetus.

No. Just... this is wrong in so many ways, I don't even know where to fucking begin.

[The New California Republic]

In a logical and biological sense the only purpose of sex should be to reproduce because other than that it does absolutley nothing.

Either you have never done it or you were doing it wrong.

[Oxes Republic]

Sex for pleasure is basically having it on a laundry list of things and checking it off. Sex for reproduction should be the only logical reason for it because it literally produces life since humans should be respected. Sex for pleasure is nothing but just doing another thing when this “other thing” produces human life is what I’m trying to say

[The New California Republic]

Sex for pleasure is basically having it on a laundry list of things and checking it off.

More word salad.

Sex for reproduction should be the only logical reason for it because it literally produces life since humans should be respected

Even more word salad.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Sex for pleasure is basically having it on a laundry list of things and checking it off. Sex for reproduction should be the only logical reason for it because it literally produces life since humans should be respected

And we reserve our deepest and most profound ridicule for this line of thought-terminating cliche.

[Genivaria]

Sex for pleasure is basically having it on a laundry list of things and checking it off. Sex for reproduction should be the only logical reason for it because it literally produces life since humans should be respected

What does this even mean?

[The V O I D]

Sex for pleasure is basically having it on a laundry list of things and checking it off. Sex for reproduction should be the only logical reason for it because it literally produces life since humans should be respected

I don't know where you got this impression from, but, newsflash: sex for pleasure is the new normal. Sex for reproduction only happens when the woman feels good and ready to have a baby, and that usually (not always) means having a spouse as well as a financially stable position in the socioeconomic sphere of things at the least.

[Far Easter Republic]

I must disagree. A fetus is most certainly a person. The act of birth does not alter personhood.

If a fetus is a person why doesn’t the census count them?

Considering most pregnancies cannot be noticed until usually 6-8 weeks, and the census have never counted them.

[The New California Republic]

Sex for pleasure is basically having it on a laundry list of things and checking it off. Sex for reproduction should be the only logical reason for it because it literally produces life since humans should be respected

What does this even mean?

Fuck knows. It's just meaningless noise.