[Abortion Thread] (YET ANOTHER POLL!) Taking measure.

[Northern Davincia]

We don't do it for our own sake, and those that do are in error. We do it because it pleases God.

That would imply that God is pleased by a sub-optimal number of humans entering heaven.

God is pleased by any human, or number thereof, entering Heaven.

[Northern Davincia]

We don't do it for our own sake, and those that do are in error. We do it because it pleases God.

Not in the slightest. The restoration of humanity is the goal.

Restoration? So, when the sun dies, what’s God going to do, reload a save?

That's an amusing oversimplification but not entirely wrong.

[Kowani]

Restoration? So, when the sun dies, what’s God going to do, reload a save?

That's an amusing oversimplification but not entirely wrong.

Uh-huh.

[Alvecia]

That would imply that God is pleased by a sub-optimal number of humans entering heaven.

God is pleased by any human, or number thereof, entering Heaven.

Then “doing it because it pleases God” Is a pretty pointless aim, because he isn’t going to be any more or less please by any of your actions.

[Northern Davincia]

God is pleased by any human, or number thereof, entering Heaven.

Then “doing it because it pleases God” Is a pretty pointless aim, because he isn’t going to be any more or less please by any of your actions.

Except that's incorrect. Good actions please God, and I'm curious as to where you're getting this nihilistic interpretation from.

[Kowani]

Then “doing it because it pleases God” Is a pretty pointless aim, because he isn’t going to be any more or less please by any of your actions.

Except that's incorrect. Good actions please God, and I'm curious as to where you're getting this nihilistic interpretation from.

Do Good actions please God because they are Good, or are they Good because they please God?

[Alvecia]

Then “doing it because it pleases God” Is a pretty pointless aim, because he isn’t going to be any more or less please by any of your actions.

Except that's incorrect. Good actions please God, and I'm curious as to where you're getting this nihilistic interpretation from.

If good actions please God, then more good actions would please God more. Ensuring people enter heaven would be good, so ensuring the maximum number of people enter heaven would make God most pleased.

[Northern Davincia]

Except that's incorrect. Good actions please God, and I'm curious as to where you're getting this nihilistic interpretation from.

Do Good actions please God because they are Good, or are they Good because they please God?

Actions are good because they please God. If it were the former, good would have to originate from somewhere besides God.

Except that's incorrect. Good actions please God, and I'm curious as to where you're getting this nihilistic interpretation from.

If good actions please God, then more good actions would please God more. Ensuring people enter heaven would be good, so ensuring the maximum number of people enter heaven would make God most pleased.

Yes, which is why the church sends missionaries and keeps the faith alive. Sins, however, displease God and people throwing themselves into Hell for utilitarian reasons would not please Him.
Omnicide in this scenario ensures that a maximum number of people end up in Hell if they go along willingly.

[Kowani]

Do Good actions please God because they are Good, or are they Good because they please God?

Actions are good because they please God. If it were the former, good would have to originate from somewhere besides God.

In that case, if God was pleased by murder, would murder be Good?

[Alvecia]

If good actions please God, then more good actions would please God more. Ensuring people enter heaven would be good, so ensuring the maximum number of people enter heaven would make God most pleased.

Yes, which is why the church sends missionaries and keeps the faith alive. Sins, however, displease God and people throwing themselves into Hell for utilitarian reasons would not please Him.
Omnicide in this scenario ensures that a maximum number of people end up in Hell if they go along willingly.

It’s not that hard to divvy up the logistics. Kill the guaranteed heaven goers, proselytise those who aren’t.

[Ifreann]

Just sounds selfish to me. Putting your fellow man at risk for fear of your own soul.

We don't do it for our own sake, and those that do are in error. We do it because it pleases God.

Surely ending humanity is a good thing to do. Isn't that what God plans to do?

Not in the slightest. The restoration of humanity is the goal.

Someone should tell the Pope to take Revelation out of the Bible, then.

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We don't do it for our own sake, and those that do are in error. We do it because it pleases God.

Not in the slightest. The restoration of humanity is the goal.

Restoration? So, when the sun dies, what’s God going to do, reload a save?

Insert Coin(s) to retry?

[Godular]

We don't do it for our own sake, and those that do are in error. We do it because it pleases God.

Not in the slightest. The restoration of humanity is the goal.

Restoration? So, when the sun dies, what’s God going to do, reload a save?

They'll start a new campaign with more pirates.

[The Land of Home]

Restoration? So, when the sun dies, what’s God going to do, reload a save?

They'll start a new campaign with more pirates.

Plot twist, the universe is a game that God pirated.

[Doing it Rightland]

They'll start a new campaign with more pirates.

Plot twist, the universe is a game that God pirated.

earth.exe has stopped working.

[Northern Davincia]

Actions are good because they please God. If it were the former, good would have to originate from somewhere besides God.

In that case, if God was pleased by murder, would murder be Good?

Yes, but seeing as that isn't the case, neither of us have to worry.

We don't do it for our own sake, and those that do are in error. We do it because it pleases God.

Not in the slightest. The restoration of humanity is the goal.

Someone should tell the Pope to take Revelation out of the Bible, then.

Revelation pretty much ends with the restoration of humanity.

[Byzconia]

Do Good actions please God because they are Good, or are they Good because they please God?

Actions are good because they please God. If it were the former, good would have to originate from somewhere besides God.

If good actions please God, then more good actions would please God more. Ensuring people enter heaven would be good, so ensuring the maximum number of people enter heaven would make God most pleased.

Yes, which is why the church sends missionaries and keeps the faith alive. Sins, however, displease God and people throwing themselves into Hell for utilitarian reasons would not please Him.
Omnicide in this scenario ensures that a maximum number of people end up in Hell if they go along willingly.

The issue with using God as the basis for any argument is that there's no evidence that a god exists. In you're going to argue that an action is bad because it displeases God, then you first have to verify God's existence, otherwise nothing else in your argument matters.

[Northern Davincia]

Actions are good because they please God. If it were the former, good would have to originate from somewhere besides God.

Yes, which is why the church sends missionaries and keeps the faith alive. Sins, however, displease God and people throwing themselves into Hell for utilitarian reasons would not please Him.
Omnicide in this scenario ensures that a maximum number of people end up in Hell if they go along willingly.

The issue with using God as the basis for any argument is that there's no evidence that a god exists. In you're going to argue that an action is bad because it displeases God, then you first have to verify God's existence, otherwise nothing else in your argument matters.

I'm more than happy to discuss God's existence with you in the CDT, but I was being questioned on religious matters and had to respond with religious answers.

[Byzconia]

The issue with using God as the basis for any argument is that there's no evidence that a god exists. In you're going to argue that an action is bad because it displeases God, then you first have to verify God's existence, otherwise nothing else in your argument matters.

I'm more than happy to discuss God's existence with you in the CDT, but I was being questioned on religious matters and had to respond with religious answers.

My comment was more in response to God being brought up in-general, rather than this particular comment. (Unfortunately that's kind of a hard thing to show without quoting multiple different comments, which I'm frankly too lazy to do.)

I only mentioned it because religious folks love to use the God argument against abortion, but as God's existence has not been established, such arguments are pointless.

[Richtlant]

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[Estanglia]

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Conspiracy theories? How are they relevant to abortion?

[The South Falls]

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I mean, it's mostly long videos about conspiracies, not really relevant.

[Vassenor]

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Or you could actually talk about it rather than just blind-fishing for YouTube clicks.

[Kaystein]

My stance is complicated. I'm morally against abortion. Legally if abortion is allowed i'm not going to stop somebody if they're not a part of my religion and they're a stranger.

Take Christianity for example, my religion, I wouldn't want a fellow christian woman to get the abortion. Only if their life was in danger and there was no alternative. If I can't stop my fellow christian from doing it, then it is their choice to make alone. I couldn't condone their choice or support it in any way. They would have to suffer the consequences of that choice on their own.

I would also say restrict the right to get an abortion for any person that made a promise, oath, or commitment which getting an abortion would violate; again the key exception being if that person's life was in danger. I'm just speaking generally about this latter part though. It also wouldn't be my business unless I knew the person.

Aside from that, the USA is supposed to be a secular government. Meaning that if it's legal to get an abortion in a particular area and the person isn't a christian, I'm not obligated to stop somebody from getting one. My religion doesn't mandate it's followers to press our religious beliefs upon non-believers, and unlike many of my fellow believers I'm one guy that will generally stay neutral toward the choices of other people; except if the person is a christian, my family, or it affects me.

Like I said, it's complicated.

[Richtlant]

I just came across a thing that may be interesting to some of you. If you wanna watch it, just go to my sig.

Or you could actually talk about it rather than just blind-fishing for YouTube clicks.

Why do you call it blind-fishing? I wasn't looking for it at all. It's like asking a man sitting on a chair why he is walking around blindfolded.
And to address the other replies - you've got no proof that it's just a conspiracy theory. People know that the fake moon landing is a conspiracy theory because scientist gave them explanations, based on the laws of physics, confirming that we truly landed on the moon.

[The New California Republic]

Or you could actually talk about it rather than just blind-fishing for YouTube clicks.

Why do you call it blind-fishing? I wasn't looking for it at all. It's like asking a man sitting on a chair why he is walking around blindfolded.
And to address the other replies - you've got no proof that it's just a conspiracy theory. People know that the fake moon landing is a conspiracy theory because scientist gave them explanations, based on the laws of physics, confirming that we truly landed on the moon.

What the fuck does any of that have to do with the subject matter of the thread?