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by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:51 am
by Datlofff » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:54 am
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Right, can any of you explain to me how prescribing an adoption would cure an ectopic pregnancy?
by Telconi » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:00 am
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Right, can any of you explain to me how prescribing an adoption would cure an ectopic pregnancy?
by Mardla » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:00 am
San Lumen wrote:Mardla wrote:I am opposed to taking a human life except as punishment for a serious crime, or to neutralize an existential threat.
A women whose a victim of rape or incest should be forced to carry the child to term? In the case of toxic pregnancy the life of the fetus is more important and therefore the mother allowed to die?
by San Lumen » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:02 am
Mardla wrote:San Lumen wrote:
A women whose a victim of rape or incest should be forced to carry the child to term? In the case of toxic pregnancy the life of the fetus is more important and therefore the mother allowed to die?
You're asking whether or not a mother should put her child's life above her own?
by Mardla » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:04 am
by Mardla » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:06 am
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:06 am
by Telconi » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:10 am
by Mardla » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:10 am
by Mardla » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:12 am
by The Free Joy State » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:13 am
by Telconi » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:20 am
by San Lumen » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:24 am
by Mardla » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:25 am
Are you saying that a life with such problems is not worth living?The Free Joy State wrote:Telconi wrote:
As soon as you explain how a rape victim aborting her child will un-rape her.
Forcing the woman to go through with a pregnancy she did not want is another person is forcing that already-traumatised woman to do something with her body that she would not choose to do.
It is taking the woman's control of her body away from her and giving it to another party.
Ring any bells?
An abortion cannot "un-rape-her". Denying her an abortion could revictimise her (where the woman feels "re-raped" by medical professionals or law enforcement)
Even a subsequent, voluntary pregnancy with a partner can be dangerously traumatic to a former rape victim.
Carrying a rapist's baby, against her will, can be harmful to the woman. And the foetus. Children of rape often have more problems (including PTSD, depression and anxiety).
by Telconi » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:30 am
San Lumen wrote:Mardla wrote:I mean I consider the value of the respective parties irrelevant here.
You have no problem with this?
https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... ving-birth
A 14 year old girl denied abortion in Paraguay where it is completely illegal and dying in childbirth?
A few years ago a ten year old in Paraguay was denied a abortion after being raped by her stepfather. You have no issue with that either?
by San Lumen » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:33 am
Telconi wrote:San Lumen wrote:You have no problem with this?
https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... ving-birth
A 14 year old girl denied abortion in Paraguay where it is completely illegal and dying in childbirth?
A few years ago a ten year old in Paraguay was denied a abortion after being raped by her stepfather. You have no issue with that either?
You do understand its possible to support policies that you have problems with right?
by The Free Joy State » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:34 am
Mardla wrote:Are you saying that a life with such problems is not worth living?The Free Joy State wrote:Forcing the woman to go through with a pregnancy she did not want is another person is forcing that already-traumatised woman to do something with her body that she would not choose to do.
It is taking the woman's control of her body away from her and giving it to another party.
Ring any bells?
An abortion cannot "un-rape-her". Denying her an abortion could revictimise her (where the woman feels "re-raped" by medical professionals or law enforcement)
Even a subsequent, voluntary pregnancy with a partner can be dangerously traumatic to a former rape victim.
Carrying a rapist's baby, against her will, can be harmful to the woman. And the foetus. Children of rape often have more problems (including PTSD, depression and anxiety).
by Godular » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:37 am
Mardla wrote:Are you saying that a life with such problems is not worth living?The Free Joy State wrote:Forcing the woman to go through with a pregnancy she did not want is another person is forcing that already-traumatised woman to do something with her body that she would not choose to do.
It is taking the woman's control of her body away from her and giving it to another party.
Ring any bells?
An abortion cannot "un-rape-her". Denying her an abortion could revictimise her (where the woman feels "re-raped" by medical professionals or law enforcement)
Even a subsequent, voluntary pregnancy with a partner can be dangerously traumatic to a former rape victim.
Carrying a rapist's baby, against her will, can be harmful to the woman. And the foetus. Children of rape often have more problems (including PTSD, depression and anxiety).
by Mardla » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:37 am
The Free Joy State wrote:Mardla wrote:Are you saying that a life with such problems is not worth living?
Nice sidestep.
Depression, PTSD and anxiety can be -- I imagine --hellish illnesses to endure, and I'm not sure I'd want to wish them on a foetus. I am not advocating abortion, if such things run in the family. That is a choice for the woman alone.
As it is for the woman to choose if it would help her trauma to abort the result of rape.
Now a question for the pro-lifers: if you knew a woman would definitely commit suicide -- or die in childbirth like the fourteen-year-old minor in Paraguay -- would you still deny a rape victim an abortion?
Would you deny her an abortion, even if the victim was very young girl, like this other rape victim in Paraguay (who did survive).
by Telconi » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:38 am
by Godular » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:38 am
Mardla wrote:The Free Joy State wrote:Nice sidestep.
Depression, PTSD and anxiety can be -- I imagine --hellish illnesses to endure, and I'm not sure I'd want to wish them on a foetus. I am not advocating abortion, if such things run in the family. That is a choice for the woman alone.
As it is for the woman to choose if it would help her trauma to abort the result of rape.
Now a question for the pro-lifers: if you knew a woman would definitely commit suicide -- or die in childbirth like the fourteen-year-old minor in Paraguay -- would you still deny a rape victim an abortion?
Would you deny her an abortion, even if the victim was very young girl, like this other rape victim in Paraguay (who did survive).
The victim of abortion is even younger
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