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What policies would you use to reduce abortion numbers?

Welfare Support for Single Mothers
481
17%
Free Pregnancy-Related Health Care
494
17%
Comprehensive Sex Education
604
21%
Free Contraception
499
17%
Monetary Incentives (Child Care, Tax Incentives, Kid-Related Healthcare, specify if needed)
375
13%
No Changes
47
2%
Procedure Ban (Not outlawing abortion itself, but specific procedures)
89
3%
Outright Ban (With exceptions or without)
281
10%
 
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:07 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You said its not a right

Okay, so?

That implies you think its ok to interfere in a private medical decision and makes choices for someone you dont know.

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Postby Freezic Vast » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:Okay, so?

That implies you think its ok to interfere in a private medical decision and makes choices for someone you dont know.

No it does not, it really doesn't.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:08 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That implies you think its ok to interfere in a private medical decision and makes choices for someone you dont know.

No it does not, it really doesn't.

Ok then what do you mean when you say its not a right?

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Postby The Mind of the Institution » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:09 pm

What in the ever-loving world are you num-nuts defining as a right?

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Postby The Mind of the Institution » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:10 pm

What in the ever-loving world are you num-nuts defining as a right?

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:10 pm

The Mind of the Institution wrote:What in the ever-loving world are you num-nuts defining as a right?

the right to choose

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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:NOT. A. RIGHT.


The Roe decision disagrees. And what right do you have to interfere in a private medical decision?


What right does anyone have to interfere with anything?
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Postby The Mind of the Institution » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Mind of the Institution wrote:What in the ever-loving world are you num-nuts defining as a right?

the right to choose


Well that's not vague or anything... I suppose that means the right of the state to choose to outlaw abortion? :lol2:

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:12 pm

The Mind of the Institution wrote:
San Lumen wrote:the right to choose


Well that's not vague or anything... I suppose that means the right of the state to choose to outlaw abortion? :lol2:

Not really.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:15 pm

The Mind of the Institution wrote:
San Lumen wrote:the right to choose


Well that's not vague or anything... I suppose that means the right of the state to choose to outlaw abortion? :lol2:


And what right to do you have to tell a woman she must carry a child to term if she doesn't want too.

Should a woman who was raped or the victim of incest be forced to carry that child to term?
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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Mind of the Institution wrote:
Well that's not vague or anything... I suppose that means the right of the state to choose to outlaw abortion? :lol2:


And what right to do you have to tell a woman she must carry a child to term if she doesn't want too.

Should a woman who was raped or the victim of incest be forced to carry that child to term?


I can vote.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:17 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And what right to do you have to tell a woman she must carry a child to term if she doesn't want too.

Should a woman who was raped or the victim of incest be forced to carry that child to term?


I can vote.

Sure.


Why?

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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I can vote.

Sure.


Why?


Because killin' babies is bad juju.
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Postby Luminesa » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:22 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I can vote.

Sure.


Why?

If you believe in protecting all life, born and unborn, without exceptions, including being anti-death penalty and anti-euthanasia, then you wouldn’t promote abortion for said reason. Consistency in one’s beliefs. Plus society needs to do more to help women who have been raped, and not in ways that involve promoting the death of the unborn baby.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:22 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Why?


Because killin' babies is bad juju.


So you'd a force a rape or incest victim to carry a child to term that they dont want or aren't ready for?

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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Because killin' babies is bad juju.


So you'd a force a rape or incest victim to carry a child to term that they dont want or aren't ready for?


Yes.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:24 pm

Luminesa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Why?

If you believe in protecting all life, born and unborn, without exceptions, including being anti-death penalty and anti-euthanasia, then you wouldn’t promote abortion for said reason. Consistency in one’s beliefs. Plus society needs to do more to help women who have been raped, and not in ways that involve promoting the death of the unborn baby.


Therefore they should be forced to carry a criminals child to term?

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:25 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
So you'd a force a rape or incest victim to carry a child to term that they dont want or aren't ready for?


Yes.

Why? Not only have they faced the trauma of rape or incest but must now bare the child of a criminal? Who are you do tell someone that?

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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Luminesa wrote:If you believe in protecting all life, born and unborn, without exceptions, including being anti-death penalty and anti-euthanasia, then you wouldn’t promote abortion for said reason. Consistency in one’s beliefs. Plus society needs to do more to help women who have been raped, and not in ways that involve promoting the death of the unborn baby.


Therefore they should be forced to carry a criminals child to term?


Why should being a criminal's child matter? Do we punish children for their father's crimes?
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Postby Luminesa » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Luminesa wrote:If you believe in protecting all life, born and unborn, without exceptions, including being anti-death penalty and anti-euthanasia, then you wouldn’t promote abortion for said reason. Consistency in one’s beliefs. Plus society needs to do more to help women who have been raped, and not in ways that involve promoting the death of the unborn baby.


Therefore they should be forced to carry a criminals child to term?

Are you going to keep asking the same question and then expect a different answer? I’m not a Magic Eight Ball, dude.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yes.

Why? Not only have they faced the trauma of rape or incest but must now bare the child of a criminal? Who are you do tell someone that?


Because killing children hasn't stopped being bad juju since my previous post.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:29 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Therefore they should be forced to carry a criminals child to term?


Why should being a criminal's child matter? Do we punish children for their father's crimes?


That is not the same thing. What if that victim does not want a child, has a career and other things? How dare you say she should give that up to carry a child she does not want.

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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Why should being a criminal's child matter? Do we punish children for their father's crimes?


That is not the same thing. What if that victim does not want a child, has a career and other things? How dare you say she should give that up to carry a child she does not want.


I don't frankly care what she wants, her wants don't outweigh the child's life.

Uh, How dare I what? express and support political beliefs? Oooooh, spooky evil Telconi, voting like a monster!
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:33 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
That is not the same thing. What if that victim does not want a child, has a career and other things? How dare you say she should give that up to carry a child she does not want.


I don't frankly care what she wants, her wants don't outweigh the child's life.

Uh, How dare I what? express and support political beliefs? Oooooh, spooky evil Telconi, voting like a monster!


Why is the unborn child more important then her giving up her career and nine months of her life to care for a child she does not want forced on her by a monster?

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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I don't frankly care what she wants, her wants don't outweigh the child's life.

Uh, How dare I what? express and support political beliefs? Oooooh, spooky evil Telconi, voting like a monster!


Why is the unborn child more important then her giving up her career and nine months of her life to care for a child she does not want forced on her by a monster?


because nobody's career is worth more than a person's life.
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