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What policies would you use to reduce abortion numbers?

Welfare Support for Single Mothers
481
17%
Free Pregnancy-Related Health Care
494
17%
Comprehensive Sex Education
604
21%
Free Contraception
499
17%
Monetary Incentives (Child Care, Tax Incentives, Kid-Related Healthcare, specify if needed)
375
13%
No Changes
47
2%
Procedure Ban (Not outlawing abortion itself, but specific procedures)
89
3%
Outright Ban (With exceptions or without)
281
10%
 
Total votes : 2870

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:12 pm

Triassica wrote:
Estanglia wrote:Immediately resorting to violence again can be used to demonize pro choice people and shows to the other side you've got no arguments. There are other ways to show abortion is a right other than shooting the cops that come to arrest you for breaking the law.

Women shouldn't go to jail for practicing their right though. Laws against abortion are illegitmate. Thus police have no authority to arrest women for non existent crimes. Yet as red states would be under the delusion that abortion is a crime thanks to an illegitmate overturning of Roe V Wade and an illegitmate act of legislation, women need to protect themselves from the illegitmate law.

Illegitimate. Jesus Christ... :?
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Postby Triassica » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:28 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Triassica wrote:Women shouldn't go to jail for practicing their right though. Laws against abortion are illegitmate. Thus police have no authority to arrest women for non existent crimes. Yet as red states would be under the delusion that abortion is a crime thanks to an illegitmate overturning of Roe V Wade and an illegitmate act of legislation, women need to protect themselves from the illegitmate law.

Illegitimate. Jesus Christ... :?

I don't care. A woman's right to control her body is at It's highest risk of being overturned. Rebellion against the red states that outlaw it should it does get overturned is the answer.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:29 pm

Triassica wrote:
Estanglia wrote:Immediately resorting to violence again can be used to demonize pro choice people and shows to the other side you've got no arguments. There are other ways to show abortion is a right other than shooting the cops that come to arrest you for breaking the law.

Women shouldn't go to jail for practicing their right though. Laws against abortion are illegitmate. Thus police have no authority to arrest women for non existent crimes. Yet as red states would be under the delusion that abortion is a crime thanks to an illegitmate overturning of Roe V Wade and an illegitmate act of legislation, women need to protect themselves from the illegitmate law.

Not a right.

Wrong.

Yes they do, if it's illegal they have the right to arrest those for violating the law.

Show your work.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:30 pm

Triassica wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Illegitimate. Jesus Christ... :?

I don't care. A woman's right to control her body is at It's highest risk of being overturned. Rebellion against the red states that outlaw it should it does get overturned is the answer.

I knew you didn't, proof that you only care about yourself and no one else unless they agree with you.

So basically you'd start a civil war over abortion. :roll:
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:30 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
Triassica wrote:Women shouldn't go to jail for practicing their right though. Laws against abortion are illegitmate. Thus police have no authority to arrest women for non existent crimes. Yet as red states would be under the delusion that abortion is a crime thanks to an illegitmate overturning of Roe V Wade and an illegitmate act of legislation, women need to protect themselves from the illegitmate law.

Not a right.

Wrong.

Yes they do, if it's illegal they have the right to arrest those for violating the law.

Show your work.


By that definition, North Korea is in the right by arresting their citizens who don’t cry enough after the leaders death.
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Postby Triassica » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:32 pm

Kowani wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:Not a right.

Wrong.

Yes they do, if it's illegal they have the right to arrest those for violating the law.

Show your work.


By that definition, North Korea is in the right by arresting their citizens who don’t cry enough after the leaders death.

And the Nazis had the right to put jews into death camps. *nods*
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Postby Freezic Vast » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:33 pm

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Kowani wrote:
By that definition, North Korea is in the right by arresting their citizens who don’t cry enough after the leaders death.

And the Nazis had the right to put jews into death camps. *nods*

None of those have any correlation to one another, and you fucking know it.
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Postby Triassica » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:33 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
Triassica wrote:I don't care. A woman's right to control her body is at It's highest risk of being overturned. Rebellion against the red states that outlaw it should it does get overturned is the answer.

I knew you didn't, proof that you only care about yourself and no one else unless they agree with you.

So basically you'd start a civil war over abortion. :roll:

Hopefully the war won't end with us "retroactively" aborting teenagers. There is a book series on that I read in high school.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:35 pm

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Triassica wrote:And the Nazis had the right to put jews into death camps. *nods*

None of those have any correlation to one another, and you fucking know it.

I don’t agree with the Nazi example, merely because I’ve yet to see a law saying that Judaism was punishable by death. Government policy, yes, but not law.

I’m merely pointing out that if you believe that the law gives right and not morality, Kim Jong-Un is technically in the right.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:44 pm

Triassica wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:I knew you didn't, proof that you only care about yourself and no one else unless they agree with you.

So basically you'd start a civil war over abortion. :roll:

Hopefully the war won't end with us "retroactively" aborting teenagers. There is a book series on that I read in high school.

Your argument has reached levels of ridiculousness that I have rarely seen on the forums, so congratulations I guess...? :unsure:
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:47 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:Illegitimate. Jesus Christ... :?

I don't care. A woman's right to control her body is at It's highest risk of being overturned. Rebellion against the red states that outlaw it should it does get overturned is the answer.

You are advocating civil war over this issue. Can you not see how self-defeating that would be? The pro-life people would have a field day with it when they see abortion activists gunning down law enforcement officers on the streets. As I said earlier, the views you are displaying here are so self-defeating that I have to conclude that there is some major false-flag bullshittery going on here.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:48 pm

Triassica wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:I knew you didn't, proof that you only care about yourself and no one else unless they agree with you.

So basically you'd start a civil war over abortion. :roll:

Hopefully the war won't end with us "retroactively" aborting teenagers. There is a book series on that I read in high school.

...What. I’m...I’m just going to sit here and try to make sense of that... :blink:
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Postby Triassica » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:51 pm

Kowani wrote:
Triassica wrote:Hopefully the war won't end with us "retroactively" aborting teenagers. There is a book series on that I read in high school.

...What. I’m...I’m just going to sit here and try to make sense of that... :blink:

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:52 pm

Triassica wrote:
Estanglia wrote:Immediately resorting to violence again can be used to demonize pro choice people and shows to the other side you've got no arguments. There are other ways to show abortion is a right other than shooting the cops that come to arrest you for breaking the law.

Women shouldn't go to jail for practicing their right though. Laws against abortion are illegitmate. Thus police have no authority to arrest women for non existent crimes. Yet as red states would be under the delusion that abortion is a crime thanks to an illegitmate overturning of Roe V Wade and an illegitmate act of legislation, women need to protect themselves from the illegitmate law.


Im sorry but i cannot and will not condone violence or lawbreaking. Want to protect abortion rights? vote for people who will.

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Postby Triassica » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Triassica wrote:Women shouldn't go to jail for practicing their right though. Laws against abortion are illegitmate. Thus police have no authority to arrest women for non existent crimes. Yet as red states would be under the delusion that abortion is a crime thanks to an illegitmate overturning of Roe V Wade and an illegitmate act of legislation, women need to protect themselves from the illegitmate law.


Im sorry but i cannot and will not condone violence or lawbreaking. Want to protect abortion rights? vote for people who will.

But women would end up illegitimatly persecuted for practicing their rights in red states. The only true course, however is to get ourselves a progressive Congress that will enshrine a law granting full abortion rights, preemptimg the states from infringing them. That will take decades to get such a composition in Congress though...
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:58 pm

Triassica wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Im sorry but i cannot and will not condone violence or lawbreaking. Want to protect abortion rights? vote for people who will.

But women would end up illegitimatly persecuted for practicing their rights in red states.

>:(
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:00 pm

Triassica wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Im sorry but i cannot and will not condone violence or lawbreaking. Want to protect abortion rights? vote for people who will.

But women would end up illegitimatly persecuted for practicing their rights in red states. The only true course, however is to get ourselves a progressive Congress that will enshrine a law granting full abortion rights, preemptimg the states from infringing them. That will take decades to get such a composition in Congress though...


Then vote for that but i cannot and will not condone sedition or rebellion which is what you appear to be calling for.

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Postby Freezic Vast » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:01 pm

Triassica wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Im sorry but i cannot and will not condone violence or lawbreaking. Want to protect abortion rights? vote for people who will.

But women would end up illegitimatly persecuted for practicing their rights in red states. The only true course, however is to get ourselves a progressive Congress that will enshrine a law granting full abortion rights, preemptimg the states from infringing them. That will take decades to get such a composition in Congress though...

NOT. A. RIGHT.
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Postby Triassica » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:01 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Triassica wrote:But women would end up illegitimatly persecuted for practicing their rights in red states.

>:(

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:02 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
Triassica wrote:But women would end up illegitimatly persecuted for practicing their rights in red states. The only true course, however is to get ourselves a progressive Congress that will enshrine a law granting full abortion rights, preemptimg the states from infringing them. That will take decades to get such a composition in Congress though...

NOT. A. RIGHT.


The Roe decision disagrees. And what right do you have to interfere in a private medical decision?

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Postby Freezic Vast » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:02 pm

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The New California Republic wrote: >:(

Grammar Nazi.

Spellcheck is your friend, use it.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:NOT. A. RIGHT.


The Roe decision disagrees. And what right do you have to interfere in a private medical decision?

I never said I did, stop putting words in my mouth.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:05 pm

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San Lumen wrote:
The Roe decision disagrees. And what right do you have to interfere in a private medical decision?

I never said I did, stop putting words in my mouth.

You said its not a right

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Postby Freezic Vast » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:I never said I did, stop putting words in my mouth.

You said its not a right

Okay, so?
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:07 pm

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The New California Republic wrote: >:(

Grammar Nazi.

Not grammar, spelling. Check it.
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