Dark Socialism wrote:Abortion should only be used for eugenic purposes IMO
Keep it together doggo... winter is coming.
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by Dark Socialism » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:39 pm
by New haven america » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:41 pm
by Kowani » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:47 pm
Dark Socialism wrote:Abortion should only be used for eugenic purposes IMO
by Dark Socialism » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:55 pm
by Estanglia » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:51 am
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
by Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:56 am
by Triassica » Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:29 am
by Estanglia » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:21 am
Triassica wrote:Estanglia wrote:They believe that the fetus is a person and thus abortion is murder.
Oh please. Again It's not about the fetus, It's about controlling women and putting them back in their "rightful place". If it is about protecting the fetus they would try to make it easier to raise children. However, alas, they show their hypocrisy by robbing healthcare from the poor. So I see through their hypocrisy.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans would try to take away women's suffrage next, under the argument that they are voting to kill their babies or some bullshit...
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
by Triassica » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:24 am
Estanglia wrote:Triassica wrote:Oh please. Again It's not about the fetus, It's about controlling women and putting them back in their "rightful place". If it is about protecting the fetus they would try to make it easier to raise children. However, alas, they show their hypocrisy by robbing healthcare from the poor. So I see through their hypocrisy.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans would try to take away women's suffrage next, under the argument that they are voting to kill their babies or some bullshit...
It sounds like you're assuming that their reason for supporting a policy is different to the given reason with no evidence.
From actually listening to some conservatives, they believe that life begins at conception, so abortion would be murder.
by Luminesa » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:49 am
Triassica wrote:Estanglia wrote:They believe that the fetus is a person and thus abortion is murder.
Oh please. Again It's not about the fetus, It's about controlling women and putting them back in their "rightful place". If it is about protecting the fetus they would try to make it easier to raise children. However, alas, they show their hypocrisy by robbing healthcare from the poor. So I see through their hypocrisy.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans would try to take away women's suffrage next, under the argument that they are voting to kill their babies or some bullshit...
by Luminesa » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:50 am
Dark Socialism wrote:Kowani wrote:Yes, yes, we all know that you’re “edgy”. Now, if you could explain your reasoning, that’d be nice.
It's simple Higher quality of life for everyone lack of disease and a more functional population, I don't see anything wrong or "edgy" with eugenics except for Christian/Bio-Leninist moral reasoning
by Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:16 am
Luminesa wrote:Triassica wrote:Oh please. Again It's not about the fetus, It's about controlling women and putting them back in their "rightful place". If it is about protecting the fetus they would try to make it easier to raise children. However, alas, they show their hypocrisy by robbing healthcare from the poor. So I see through their hypocrisy.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans would try to take away women's suffrage next, under the argument that they are voting to kill their babies or some bullshit...
And here I doubt whether or not you’ve ever actually spoken and listened to someone who happens to be pro-life.
by Triassica » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:18 am
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Luminesa wrote:And here I doubt whether or not you’ve ever actually spoken and listened to someone who happens to be pro-life.
Well, most socially conservative pro-lifers in politics are against welfare, universal healthcare, etc. So, they basically stop caring about your life when you're born.
by Katganistan » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:53 am
Nui-ta wrote:Godular wrote:
Yeh, an extreme few ‘like’ abortion. Umbrage is generally taken when some folks call pro-choice folks ‘pro-abortion’. We’d like nothing better than for abortions to be reduced to a non-issue, but that should be accomplished through supportive means like welfare reform, contraception access, and the like. THEN an outright ban on anything would be moot.
Most of the pro-life crowd I have met seem to make the automatic assumption that it is impossible to personally dislike abortion if you are pro-choice. I mentioned my dislike of abortion (to the point where I would not consider one outside of an extreme circumstance) despite being pro-choice specifically because I like to emphasis the choice aspect of it.
Pro-choice =/= pro-abortion.
by Katganistan » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:59 am
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Frievolk wrote:Bold of you to assume that the Pro-life doesn't also want to ban contraception for that very reason
I hope you know banning contraception will affect people with conditions like PCOS, or severe endometriosis, or vaginal cysts, or a hhost of other conditions. Not to mention that banning it goes against bodily autonomy. Every man and woman has a right to decide what they will consent to or not in terms of their reproduction.
by Triassica » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:00 am
Katganistan wrote:Nui-ta wrote:
Most of the pro-life crowd I have met seem to make the automatic assumption that it is impossible to personally dislike abortion if you are pro-choice. I mentioned my dislike of abortion (to the point where I would not consider one outside of an extreme circumstance) despite being pro-choice specifically because I like to emphasis the choice aspect of it.
Pro-choice =/= pro-abortion.
Annnnd in every damned thread I have been in, I have stated: comprehensive sex education and ready access to contraception FIRST. Programs that will support families that cannot afford another mouth to feed. Changing the culture which shames single mothers. Abortion as a safe, but legal way to end a pregnancy if all else (including contraception) fails.
Better to end a pregnancy than place financial and emotional stress on the parent(s) of the unwanted fetus, their parents (if the parents are teens), and the already overwhelmed foster care system than fuck up all the lives involved.
How can a single parent, especially young, better themselves and have an education, a decent job, etc. if they can't afford babysitting so they can attain those things that would give them a better life? And why should they be shamed by society and asshole politicians who deny them a way out of the pregnancy and avoiding all the need for extra help, then call them parasites and cut funding to the programs they need to get ahead like universal pre-k and welfare?
The system sucks. Why do you want to make it suck worse?
by Katganistan » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:02 am
Estanglia wrote:Triassica wrote:Objective fact is that the right to abortion, up till the late term at least, to be absolute. The likely overturning of Roe V Wade should be seen as illegitimate and rebelled against by abortion supporters everywhere.
The overturning of Roe V Wade wouldn't immediately ban abortions, it would allow for legislation to be passed to ban or limit abortion. So, if a heavily Republican state wanted to ban abortions, it could.
by The New California Republic » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:06 am
Triassica wrote:Katganistan wrote:Annnnd in every damned thread I have been in, I have stated: comprehensive sex education and ready access to contraception FIRST. Programs that will support families that cannot afford another mouth to feed. Changing the culture which shames single mothers. Abortion as a safe, but legal way to end a pregnancy if all else (including contraception) fails.
Better to end a pregnancy than place financial and emotional stress on the parent(s) of the unwanted fetus, their parents (if the parents are teens), and the already overwhelmed foster care system than fuck up all the lives involved.
How can a single parent, especially young, better themselves and have an education, a decent job, etc. if they can't afford babysitting so they can attain those things that would give them a better life? And why should they be shamed by society and asshole politicians who deny them a way out of the pregnancy and avoiding all the need for extra help, then call them parasites and cut funding to the programs they need to get ahead like universal pre-k and welfare?
The system sucks. Why do you want to make it suck worse?
But again, you fail to see the forest beyond the trees. The pro-life movement isnt about protecting life. If it was, they would be progressives. But, nope, while they don't tell us, the movement is about putting women back under control. Trust me, if men could get pregnant, I bet abortion would be legal without restriction. This is nothing but a patriarchal attempt to put women back in "their rightful place" as incubators...
by Democratic Empire of Romania » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:06 am
by Katganistan » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:06 am
Freezic Vast wrote:Triassica wrote:If the state is telling you you can't have a medical procedure to control your body, that makes you it's slave. Objective fact that you are wrong to deny.
No it does not, that's hyperbole, something that you use all the time, and are incapable of distinguishing from reality.
by Triassica » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:07 am
The New California Republic wrote:Triassica wrote:But again, you fail to see the forest beyond the trees. The pro-life movement isnt about protecting life. If it was, they would be progressives. But, nope, while they don't tell us, the movement is about putting women back under control. Trust me, if men could get pregnant, I bet abortion would be legal without restriction. This is nothing but a patriarchal attempt to put women back in "their rightful place" as incubators...
Misrepresenting conservatives in this matter is no better than some in the pro-life side calling pro-choice people "baby murderers", so you really aren't helping the debate by doing that...
by The New California Republic » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:08 am
Democratic Empire of Romania wrote:Unrestricted abortion + new feminist agenda = lower birth rates
Lower birth rates = Less jobs, less money, less population.
Keeping like that results only in:
HUMANITY'S END
Dun dun dunnn
P.S. Cloning is not reproduction.
by Katganistan » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:09 am
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