Dutch FM: ''Peaceful diverse societies are non-existent''

[Australia-Ethnostan]

That source is from 2006.

The time of the cronulla riots...

[Australia-Ethnostan]

There's also this claim of his yes, which apparently justifies bashing random people in the street. Not sure how you prove that, if you can. If anything the trend seems to be going in the opposite direction over the past ten or so years.

I can only imagine the data being collected through a series of surveys over a particular amount of time.

i did, in this thread and the other one

[Australia-Ethnostan]

Alright, i'm heading off, it's 1:00AM and i can't be bothered to argue

inb4 "Excuse not to admit defeat"
I'm not at all agreeing with you don't get me wrong, i just don't see the need to derail this thread any further, as the person against whom i am arguing is unwilling to debate the issue properly, and i don't intend to spend all night arguing over the internet.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I can only imagine the data being collected through a series of surveys over a particular amount of time.

i did, in this thread and the other one

The Wikipedia page and the Sydney Herald article, I presume?

[Bakery Hill]

Alright, i'm heading off, it's 1:00AM and i can't be bothered to argue

inb4 "Excuse not to admit defeat"
I'm not at all agreeing with you don't get me wrong, i just don't see the need to derail this thread any further, as the person against whom i am arguing is unwilling to debate the issue properly, and i don't intend to spend all night arguing over the internet with random online roleplayers.

It's really hard to debate someone who isn't coherent. You make all sorts of weird claims, which I've confronted, and you proceed to ignore. You've been defeated for a while, you just probably haven't noticed it.

[The South Falls]

That source is from 2006.

what source??

Some source he posted in moderation.

[Ascysia]

He is wrong. Diverse societies such as America flourished because it was mostly people of a European background coming together to build the country. The problem is in Europe today, where diversity isn't people of similar culture, it's third worlders who know nothing of our customs coming and doing what is acceptable in their countries.

[Frievolk]

He is wrong. Diverse societies such as America flourished because it was mostly people of a European background coming together to build the country. The problem is in Europe today, where diversity isn't people of similar culture, it's third worlders who know nothing of our customs coming and doing what is acceptable in their countries.

Suggesting Republicans before republicanism was cool Dutch and We're monarcho-catholics, fuck you all Spanish had a similar culture.

[Ifreann]

You're trying to tell me that a majority of Lebanese abuse women? *add sista claps* I WANT A SOURCE

Are you retarded? when did i say the majority of lebanese people abuse australian women, i said it was a growing culture within our lebanese community, a culture of disrespect towards Aussie culture and Aussie women.

It was my understanding that disrespecting people was a key part of Aussie culture.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Are you retarded? when did i say the majority of lebanese people abuse australian women, i said it was a growing culture within our lebanese community, a culture of disrespect towards Aussie culture and Aussie women.

It was my understanding that disrespecting people was a key part of Aussie culture.

Lived in Aussie for a year, can confirm. But they don't mean it, they're just messin witcha

[Petrolheadia]

Can people point to many former colonies which are objectively better off with independence as opposed to worse off, like is the case with much of Africa?

South Korea, USA, Canada, Bermuda, Ireland, Finland (not sure if can be considered colonies), Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, many ex-British Arab countries (e.g. UAE).

[Ostroeuropa]

He is wrong. Diverse societies such as America flourished because it was mostly people of a European background coming together to build the country. The problem is in Europe today, where diversity isn't people of similar culture, it's third worlders who know nothing of our customs coming and doing what is acceptable in their countries.

Prussian german peasants have a similar culture to English landowners, TIL.

[Frievolk]

He is wrong. Diverse societies such as America flourished because it was mostly people of a European background coming together to build the country. The problem is in Europe today, where diversity isn't people of similar culture, it's third worlders who know nothing of our customs coming and doing what is acceptable in their countries.

Prussian german peasants have a similar culture to English landowners, TIL.

Seriously. Suggesting that the European people had a similar culture is kinda an absurdity I don't expect most people to make.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

He is wrong. Diverse societies such as America flourished because it was mostly people of a European background coming together to build the country. The problem is in Europe today, where diversity isn't people of similar culture, it's third worlders who know nothing of our customs coming and doing what is acceptable in their countries.

People who commit crimes are punished and those who don't are clearly not a poblem. I don't see this issue happening irl.

[Sovaal]

He is wrong. Diverse societies such as America flourished because it was mostly people of a European background coming together to build the country. The problem is in Europe today, where diversity isn't people of similar culture, it's third worlders who know nothing of our customs coming and doing what is acceptable in their countries.

Prussian german peasants have a similar culture to English landowners, TIL.

But not those I-talians, they're barely European.

[Soviet-mongol]

He is wrong. Diverse societies such as America flourished because it was mostly people of a European background coming together to build the country. The problem is in Europe today, where diversity isn't people of similar culture, it's third worlders who know nothing of our customs coming and doing what is acceptable in their countries.

So are you suggesting that only Europeana are peace full? That is racist

[Kubumba Tribe]

He is wrong. Diverse societies such as America flourished because it was mostly people of a European background coming together to build the country. The problem is in Europe today, where diversity isn't people of similar culture, it's third worlders who know nothing of our customs coming and doing what is acceptable in their countries.

So are you suggesting that only Europeana are peace full? That is racist

No, he/she's not saying that.

[New haven america]

Can people point to many former colonies which are objectively better off with independence as opposed to worse off, like is the case with much of Africa?

South Korea, USA, Canada, Bermuda, Ireland, Finland (not sure if can be considered colonies), Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, many ex-British Arab countries (e.g. UAE).

I'd also add Iceland (They've been owned on and off by various Scandinavian countries for centuries) and Uruguay.

[Terra Novae Libero]

From a Dutch news source, through Google Translate (I'm Dutch, I will translate it into proper English);

Minister Stef Blok (Foreign Affairs) made statements in a private meeting about ethnicity and multicultural societies. For example, the VVD minister said that he does not know a peaceful multicultural society and that it is genetically determined that man does not bind himself to "unknown people".

"Give me an example of a multi-ethnic or multicultural society, where the original population still lives (....) and where there is [a]peace[ful society], I do not know one", he said last Tuesday during a meeting with Dutch people who work for international organizations.

Blok talked to them about xenophobia, among other things. The recordings are in the hands of Zembla (Dutch news organization).

According to the minister, every society knows the boundaries when it comes to including migrants. He calls it "very nice" to have a Turkish baker around the corner, but adds that you can get "some side effects". "If you live in the middle of it, you will suffer enormously," according to Blok.

Blok then draws the conclusion that it is genetically determined that groups of people can not get along with each other.

"Probably somewhere deep in our genes is that we want to have a well-organized group to hunt along or to maintain a village and that we are not able to connect with people unknown to us."

If one of those present in the hall notes that Suriname is an example of a peaceful multicultural society, Blok responds with the comment that Suriname is a failed state, partly because the political parties in the country are divided along ethnic lines.

Singapore is not a good example, according to Blok. "Singapore is indeed a mini-island, extremely selective in its migration. (...) They do not allow poor migrants, yes, possibly for cleaning."

SP Member of Parliament Sadet Karabulut finds Blok's statements unworthy for a Minister of Foreign Affairs. "This minister seriously does not go beyond that xenophobia is in the nature of people? That we can not live together and therefore a better world is impossible?" Karabulut demands that the minister take back his words.

PvdA member Lilianne Ploumen calls the remarks "very unprofessional". "I have been living in Amsterdam Nieuw-West for twenty years, where different people from different origins are making the best of each other, and if there are problems, we discuss them."

In the parliamentary questions she [Ploumen] has submitted, she [Ploumen] wants to know whether the statements regarding Suriname and Singapore are government policy.

Blok has told Zembla in a reaction that his statements in the public debate can ''fall in the wrong direction'' (hard to translate, something like implying it gets ripped out of context but at the same time he feels guilty.)

I think this is very damaging for his imago and that he'll be either forced to make public apologies or to resign. This isn't the first fiasco for the VVD (liberal-conservative) party, a former FM lied about the MH17 affair and another minister for defense was responsible for a faulty mortar that killed two Dutch servicemen in Mali.

I also believe this will hurt the VVD image. What does NSG think? What would you do if your FM said this, and you were PM? I'd force him to make public apologies.

He is right in that xenophobia is to an extent found in people's genes. Humans are by nature (unfortunately) tribalistic.

Of course, saying that is political suicide.

[The Anime Army]

It's true.

[Kubumba Tribe]

It's true.

No it's not.

[The Anime Army]

It's true.

No it's not.

I disagree with you.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No it's not.

I disagree with you.

Ok, well history and current times agree with me. They agree with you too, but they disprove the "peaceful diverse societies don't exist" claim.

[The South Falls]

No it's not.

I disagree with you.

This is not debate. Why?

[The Anime Army]

I disagree with you.

This is not debate. Why?

Because i believe it is true. Have faith.