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Postby Kustonia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:56 pm

Thanatttynia wrote:
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It doesn't matter whether it's white nationalist or not, the writer had to do a lot of research in order to write this essay.

The source is biased. Informed reporting cannot come from there because it is so biased. Would you accept an 'essay' justifying the invasion of Crimea from RT, however well-researched it was?


I sure don't trust MSNBC for their Liberalism. Is this biased? Yes.
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Postby Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:57 pm

United Imperial Systems wrote:
Kustonia wrote:
Has this forum been taken over by communists?

I think so.

Are you a troll? I legit think you are at this point.


Nah, a true troll never threatens action from the forum moderators. ;)
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:57 pm

Found a small update on what the Dutch FM said on Al-Jazeera. Seems plenty aren't taking too kindly to his words.

Kustonia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>cites neo-nazi website, blames Jews for destroying ethnostates and peaceful societies
>"yOu GuYs DoN't UnDeRsTaNd ReAl ReSeArCh!1!!1!"

I'm gonna take a hard pass on that.

Also, anyone got any updates on this Dutch FM's idiocy with the whole hot take on multiculturalism ruining societies?


Has this forum been taken over by communists?

I think so.


I like how you say you're in favor of socialism and then drop hot-takes like this.
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:57 pm

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Proctopeo wrote:Until it collapsed in 1929, of course.


IIRC that situation had stabilized before Hitler got into power in 1933.

The situation before it stabilized, though, definitely helped in his rise.
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Postby Estanglia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:57 pm

Kustonia wrote:I know it doesn't excuse genocide. Personally, I think there were other ways to get the Jews out of Europe.

Why not simply let people live where they are? And why expel the Jews in the first place?

Kustonia wrote:
Has this forum been taken over by communists?

I think so.

Are you trolling? Many of the topics aren't communist.
Kustonia wrote:
Multiculturalism is founded on the assumption that all races are equal. But biologically, races are different.

No it's not. It's founded on the belief that other cultures aren't inherently worse.
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Postby Godular » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:59 pm

Kustonia wrote:
Thanatttynia wrote:The source is biased. Informed reporting cannot come from there because it is so biased. Would you accept an 'essay' justifying the invasion of Crimea from RT, however well-researched it was?


I sure don't trust MSNBC for their Liberalism. Is this biased? Yes.


And FOX News is the paragon of objectivity.





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Postby Thanatttynia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:01 pm

Kustonia wrote:
Thanatttynia wrote:The source is biased. Informed reporting cannot come from there because it is so biased. Would you accept an 'essay' justifying the invasion of Crimea from RT, however well-researched it was?


I sure don't trust MSNBC for their Liberalism. Is this biased? Yes.

Right, your source is extremely biased, ergo it cannot be believed. So find a less biased source, or accept that you're making this up.

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Kustonia wrote:I know it doesn't excuse genocide. Personally, I think there were other ways to get the Jews out of Europe.

Why not simply let people live where they are? And why expel the Jews in the first place?

Because Europe belongs to this particular extremely limited, arbitrary and historically inaccurate group of people and not any others duh
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:02 pm

Kustonia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:>goes to home page
It's literally just racist bs.


You people have no idea what real research is because of all the lies that I see on NationStates forums never have any sources cited.

1: False, people cite their stuff.
2: who's "you people"?
Kustonia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>cites neo-nazi website, blames Jews for destroying ethnostates and peaceful societies
>"yOu GuYs DoN't UnDeRsTaNd ReAl ReSeArCh!1!!1!"

I'm gonna take a hard pass on that.

Also, anyone got any updates on this Dutch FM's idiocy with the whole hot take on multiculturalism ruining societies?


Has this forum been taken over by communists?

I think so.

The McCarthy era is over, my guy. Also, what you said has nothing to do with what Torroca said.
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Postby Kustonia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:03 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Kustonia wrote:I know it doesn't excuse genocide. Personally, I think there were other ways to get the Jews out of Europe.

Why not simply let people live where they are? And why expel the Jews in the first place?

Kustonia wrote:
Has this forum been taken over by communists?

I think so.

Are you trolling? Many of the topics aren't communist.
Kustonia wrote:
Multiculturalism is founded on the assumption that all races are equal. But biologically, races are different.

No it's not. It's founded on the belief that other cultures aren't inherently worse.


I see that some nations here have communist signatures. So, I'm not trolling.

But here are the facts on Communism.
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4 ... unism_kill
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:03 pm

Thanatttynia wrote:
Estanglia wrote:Why not simply let people live where they are? And why expel the Jews in the first place?

Because Europe belongs to this particular extremely limited, arbitrary and historically inaccurate group of people and not any others duh


And those people are clearly the Dutch, according to the Dutch FM. :P
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Postby United Imperial Systems » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:04 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Kustonia wrote:
You people have no idea what real research is because of all the lies that I see on NationStates forums never have any sources cited.

1: False, people cite their stuff.
2: who's "you people"?

Communists, obviously.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:04 pm

Folks, a word to the wise.

If you think someone is trolling, don't call them a troll in the thread. Report them in Moderation.
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Postby Estanglia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:05 pm

Kustonia wrote:
Estanglia wrote:Why not simply let people live where they are? And why expel the Jews in the first place?


Are you trolling? Many of the topics aren't communist.

No it's not. It's founded on the belief that other cultures aren't inherently worse.


I see that some nations here have communist signatures. So, I'm not trolling.

But here are the facts on Communism.
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4 ... unism_kill

How does 'how many people communism killed' relate to me saying many topics aren't communist?
Other than the obvious communism connection.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:06 pm

Torrocca wrote:Found a small update on what the Dutch FM said on Al-Jazeera. Seems plenty aren't taking too kindly to his words.

I'm always annoyed when people say I'm sorry your offended when they say something stupid. That's not an apology that's blaming everyone else, which is kinda what Blok did in the first place.

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Postby Risottia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:06 pm

Kustonia wrote:But here are the facts on Communism.
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4 ... unism_kill


So, what's the talk at the John Birch Society?
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:06 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Kustonia wrote:
I see that some nations here have communist signatures. So, I'm not trolling.

But here are the facts on Communism.
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4 ... unism_kill

How does 'how many people communism killed' relate to me saying many topics aren't communist?
Other than the obvious communism connection.


This Communism stuff is better suited for another thread. How about we get back to the topic that is the Dutch FM's asinine beliefs that multiculturalism is dangerous? :V
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:06 pm

Kustonia wrote:
Estanglia wrote:Why not simply let people live where they are? And why expel the Jews in the first place?


Are you trolling? Many of the topics aren't communist.

No it's not. It's founded on the belief that other cultures aren't inherently worse.


I see that some nations here have communist signatures. So, I'm not trolling.

People on a website that support communism does not mean most of the people on said website are communists.

Kustonia wrote:But here are the facts on Communism.
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4 ... unism_kill

This isn't a thread about atrocities committed by communism, nor does that website talk about communist teachings.
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:07 pm

Heloin wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Found a small update on what the Dutch FM said on Al-Jazeera. Seems plenty aren't taking too kindly to his words.

I'm always annoyed when people say I'm sorry your offended when they say something stupid. That's not an apology that's blaming everyone else, which is kinda what Blok did in the first place.


It's grade-A narcissistic behavior, me thinks.

All in all, this Dutch Foreign Affairs Minister is a real class act.
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Postby Estanglia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:08 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Estanglia wrote:How does 'how many people communism killed' relate to me saying many topics aren't communist?
Other than the obvious communism connection.


This Communism stuff is better suited for another thread. How about we get back to the topic that is the Dutch FM's asinine beliefs that multiculturalism is dangerous? :V

Multiculturalism isn't inherently dangerous, but when it's cultures that are opposed to each other's existence or values then it's dangerous.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:08 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Kustonia wrote:
I see that some nations here have communist signatures. So, I'm not trolling.

People on a website that support communism does not mean most of the people on said website are communists.


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Postby Godular » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:09 pm

Kustonia wrote:
Estanglia wrote:Why not simply let people live where they are? And why expel the Jews in the first place?


Are you trolling? Many of the topics aren't communist.

No it's not. It's founded on the belief that other cultures aren't inherently worse.


I see that some nations here have communist signatures. So, I'm not trolling.

But here are the facts on Communism.
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4 ... unism_kill


Not the topic.

You never DID respond to my pointing out that difference does not mean unequal. Guess we consider that a given at this point.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:09 pm

>Skims article about what Blok said
Omg this is dumb
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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:11 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Estanglia wrote:How does 'how many people communism killed' relate to me saying many topics aren't communist?
Other than the obvious communism connection.


This Communism stuff is better suited for another thread. How about we get back to the topic that is the Dutch FM's asinine beliefs that multiculturalism is dangerous? :V

(That's what I'm trying to do)
It's somewhat silly that Blok's example of a awful diverse society is Suriname. Which A, had conflicts relating to being post colonial state not ethnic diversity. And B, is ethnically divers because of the Netherlands.

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Postby Kustonia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:12 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
This Communism stuff is better suited for another thread. How about we get back to the topic that is the Dutch FM's asinine beliefs that multiculturalism is dangerous? :V

Multiculturalism isn't inherently dangerous, but when it's cultures that are opposed to each other's existence or values then it's dangerous.


That's literally Europe right now. Do I even have to cite this?
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Postby Thanatttynia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:12 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
This Communism stuff is better suited for another thread. How about we get back to the topic that is the Dutch FM's asinine beliefs that multiculturalism is dangerous? :V

Multiculturalism isn't inherently dangerous, but when it's cultures that are opposed to each other's existence or values then it's dangerous.

Always confused by this Manichean idea that certain cultures are inherently opposed to other cultures. There simply is not that much variation in human experience across cultures that means this is the case. Every group of people is more diverse than all groups of people together. Could you give examples of any cultures like this?

Torrocca wrote:
Thanatttynia wrote:Because Europe belongs to this particular extremely limited, arbitrary and historically inaccurate group of people and not any others duh


And those people are clearly the Dutch, according to the Dutch FM. :P

Tbf we would all be better off in Europe converting to Dutchism ; ) Legalise windmills now
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