Dutch FM: ''Peaceful diverse societies are non-existent''

[Kubumba Tribe]

Versailles wasn't even that bad. The Germans, in all their high and mighty militantly nationalist culture of the time literally born from blood and iron, just got pissy because their winning streak came to an end and they had to pay reparations that weren't even on par with what they forced France to do in 1871 or Russia to do in 1917 after helping to start a whole fucking World War.

Could you pay 1,000,000,000 Marks with your country devastated? Would you have people starve, to pay of the country's debt? Or would you fight back in defiance?!

That's what I thought.

That doesn't excuse genocide.
Yeah, the Treaty was messed up, but that doesn't excuse oppression by the Nazis.

[Kustonia]

Germany lasted quite a while, until the Jews overpopulated their country. Ethno-states are natural and existed at the beginning of human civilization.

“Hitter did nothing wrong!” Boy, I can sense so much teenage angst in this post.

You are harassing me with that statement. I will have a moderator come in here if you don't stop saying that to me!

That is a serious issue, what you're talking about. It's not funny, it's not true, so it better stop!

[Senkaku]

Versailles wasn't even that bad. The Germans, in all their high and mighty militantly nationalist culture of the time literally born from blood and iron, just got pissy because their winning streak came to an end and they had to pay reparations that weren't even on par with what they forced France to do in 1871 or Russia to do in 1917 after helping to start a whole fucking World War.

Could you pay 1,000,000,000 Marks with your country devastated? Would you have people starve, to pay of the country's debt? Or would you fight back in defiance?!

That's what I thought.

When you're arguing that the Nazis were the good guys, it's time to stop.

As for the country being devastated- if you don't want the country devastated, don't fight the war in the first place, and if you don't want it to be even worse the second time, then don't try and start shit again after round one.

As for people starving to pay off the country's debts- Weimar Germany had its hyperinflation problems near the beginning, but they did eventually get over those, you know. Frankly, a lot of that was just because things were a mess immediately post-war (which is, you know, directly attributable to Germany having willingly fought a long and bloody war).

[Torrocca]

Versailles wasn't even that bad. The Germans, in all their high and mighty militantly nationalist culture of the time literally born from blood and iron, just got pissy because their winning streak came to an end and they had to pay reparations that weren't even on par with what they forced France to do in 1871 or Russia to do in 1917 after helping to start a whole fucking World War.

Could you pay 1,000,000,000 Marks with your country devastated? Would you have people starve, to pay of the country's debt? Or would you fight back in defiance?!

That's what I thought.

Ah, yes, I too remember when the French War of Aggression had pushed all the way into Berlin by 1914, leading to five years of total, unshifting trench warfare and the Rape of Bavaria.

Gimme a fucking break.

[Kustonia]

Could you pay 1,000,000,000 Marks with your country devastated? Would you have people starve, to pay of the country's debt? Or would you fight back in defiance?!

That's what I thought.

That doesn't excuse genocide.
Yeah, the Treaty was messed up, but that doesn't excuse oppression by the Nazis.

You're a Muslim, correct? Iraq was in a sorry state of affairs after Saddam Hussein was ousted. America took all of Iraq's sovereignty away after that. That's what the U.S. will do to Iran if they get their hands on them.

I know it doesn't excuse genocide. Personally, I think there were other ways to get the Jews out of Europe.

[Vassenor]

Could you pay 1,000,000,000 Marks with your country devastated? Would you have people starve, to pay of the country's debt? Or would you fight back in defiance?!

That's what I thought.

When you're arguing that the Nazis were the good guys, it's time to stop.

As for the country being devastated- if you don't want the country devastated, don't fight the war in the first place, and if you don't want it to be even worse the second time, then don't try and start shit again after round one.

As for people starving to pay off the country's debts- Weimar Germany had its hyperinflation problems near the beginning, but they did eventually get over those, you know. Frankly, a lot of that was just because things were a mess immediately post-war (which is, you know, directly attributable to Germany having willingly fought a long and bloody war).

Also Germany wasn't really devastated to the degree other nations were. You don't hear about German villages being levelled by artillery fire, which is why the French wanted to go full Carthaginian on them at Versailles as retribution.

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

“Hitter did nothing wrong!” Boy, I can sense so much teenage angst in this post.

You are harassing me with that statement. I will have a moderator come in here if you don't stop saying that to me!

That is a serious issue, what you're talking about. It's not funny, it's not true, so it better stop!

You just confirmed to everyone here that my statement is accurate.

[Proctopeo]

Fucking what.

Jews where not overpopulating Germany.

That is a lie that Adolf made up.

Germany was suffering under unfair treaty imposed by the Allys of WW1. Mankinds greatest mistake was the Treaty of Versailles.


However that does not excuse what that pile of sperm in a stupid mustache did to millions of Jews and everyone else effected by the biggest war in mankinds history.

But at least the European Theater had a good ending.

Versailles wasn't even that bad. The Germans, in all their high and mighty militantly nationalist culture of the time literally born from blood and iron, just got pissy because their winning streak came to an end and they had to pay reparations that weren't even on par with what they forced France to do in 1871 or Russia to do in 1917 after helping to start a whole fucking World War.

The blame rests more on Austria-Hungary and Serbia than on Germany for WWI tbh, Germany was just the strongest link in the Central Powers.

It's probably better to look at these things not through terms of "fairness" but proportionality, since that's (slightly) less subjective. Were the terms proportional? Mostly; I would've left them with some of their colonial empire, and perhaps created a neutral zone out of Alsace-Lorraine. Were they fair? That's hard to answer. From the Entente's perspective, definitely. From Germany's... apparently not.

Could you pay 1,000,000,000 Marks with your country devastated? Would you have people starve, to pay of the country's debt? Or would you fight back in defiance?!

That's what I thought.

Ah, yes, I too remember when the French War of Aggression had pushed all the way into Berlin by 1914, leading to five years of total, unshifting trench warfare and the Rape of Bavaria.

Gimme a fucking break.

Tbf, Paris is much closer to the German border than Berlin is to the French, so it's not quite as much of France as the comparison makes it seem.


I do want to note that many, many factors led to Hitler becoming Fuhrer in 1933, with Versailles being only one; the Great Depression, the country being forced into a democracy without any real democratic tradition, said government electing a monarchist...

oh also modern Germonies needs to pay denbts to polen

[Senkaku]

When you're arguing that the Nazis were the good guys, it's time to stop.

As for the country being devastated- if you don't want the country devastated, don't fight the war in the first place, and if you don't want it to be even worse the second time, then don't try and start shit again after round one.

As for people starving to pay off the country's debts- Weimar Germany had its hyperinflation problems near the beginning, but they did eventually get over those, you know. Frankly, a lot of that was just because things were a mess immediately post-war (which is, you know, directly attributable to Germany having willingly fought a long and bloody war).

Also Germany wasn't really devastated to the degree other nations were. You don't hear about German villages being levelled by artillery fire, which is why the French wanted to go full Carthaginian on them at Versailles as retribution.

Well yeah, since there wasn't actually fighting on German soil (as there was in World War Two), and strategic bombing wasn't really a very big thing the first time around.

[Kustonia]

You are harassing me with that statement. I will have a moderator come in here if you don't stop saying that to me!

That is a serious issue, what you're talking about. It's not funny, it's not true, so it better stop!

You just confirmed to everyone here that my statement is accurate.

You're being an immature 2-year old, 25 year old male. Knock it off, cause you've just proven to everyone here how immature and moronic you really are.

[Senkaku]

Ah, yes, I too remember when the French War of Aggression had pushed all the way into Berlin by 1914, leading to five years of total, unshifting trench warfare and the Rape of Bavaria.

Gimme a fucking break.

Tbf, Paris is much closer to the German border than Berlin is to the French, so it's not quite as much of France as the comparison makes it seem.

I don't think there was actually any fighting on German soil until the Armistice, though correct me if I'm wrong, not even a small part of it.

I do want to note that many, many factors led to Hitler becoming Fuhrer in 1933, with Versailles being only one; the Great Depression, the country being forced into a democracy without any real democratic tradition, said government electing a monarchist...

Weak coalitions, violence between the far left and far right, et cetera. It really was just an awful mess.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Fucking what.

Jews where not overpopulating Germany.

That is a lie that Adolf made up.

Germany was suffering under unfair treaty imposed by the Allys of WW1. Mankinds greatest mistake was the Treaty of Versailles.


However that does not excuse what that pile of sperm in a stupid mustache did to millions of Jews and everyone else effected by the biggest war in mankinds history.

But at least the European Theater had a good ending.

Versailles wasn't even that bad. The Germans, in all their high and mighty militantly nationalist culture of the time literally born from blood and iron, just got pissy because their winning streak came to an end and they had to pay reparations that weren't even on par with what they forced France to do in 1871 or Russia to do in 1917 after helping to start a whole fucking World War.

Eh, it was still a lot to pay for just one country, I have to disagree with you there.

If we went with Americas idea of less fines for Germany, the Great war would be the only war.

Versailles wasn't even that bad. The Germans, in all their high and mighty militantly nationalist culture of the time literally born from blood and iron, just got pissy because their winning streak came to an end and they had to pay reparations that weren't even on par with what they forced France to do in 1871 or Russia to do in 1917 after helping to start a whole fucking World War.

Could you pay 1,000,000,000 Marks with your country devastated? Would you have people starve, to pay of the country's debt? Or would you fight back in defiance?!

That's what I thought.

That last part is frankly, bullshit.

Germany wasn't 'fighting back in defiance' it was fighting for lebensraum.

[United Imperial Systems]

“Hitter did nothing wrong!” Boy, I can sense so much teenage angst in this post.

You are harassing me with that statement. I will have a moderator come in here if you don't stop saying that to me!

That is a serious issue, what you're talking about. It's not funny, it's not true, so it better stop!

Races are different. Are you thoroughly offended now?

I find it funny that you joke about other people being offended, but when it turns around you immediately go to the moderators.
Cool.

[Kubumba Tribe]

That doesn't excuse genocide.
Yeah, the Treaty was messed up, but that doesn't excuse oppression by the Nazis.

You're a Muslim, correct?

Not this again, omg. What does this have to do with the topic?

Iraq was in a sorry state of affairs after Saddam Hussein was ousted.

It was also bad under Saddam Hussein.

America took all of Iraq's sovereignty away after that. That's what the U.S. will do to Iran if they get their hands on them.

Insha-Allah they won't.

I know it doesn't excuse genocide. Personally, I think there were other ways to get the Jews out of Europe.

How about not be racist and let people who are different from you live?

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

You just confirmed to everyone here that my statement is accurate.

You're being an immature 2-year old, 25 year old male. Knock it off, cause you've just proven to everyone here how immature and moronic you really are.

I find it funny how you’re threating actions from the Mods, which is against the rules and then go around and throw around insults. I find you to be a hilarious parody.

[Kubumba Tribe]

You just confirmed to everyone here that my statement is accurate.

You're being an immature 2-year old, 25 year old male. Knock it off, cause you've just proven to everyone here how immature and moronic you really are.

Who's the one doing the harassing now?

[Torrocca]

Versailles wasn't even that bad. The Germans, in all their high and mighty militantly nationalist culture of the time literally born from blood and iron, just got pissy because their winning streak came to an end and they had to pay reparations that weren't even on par with what they forced France to do in 1871 or Russia to do in 1917 after helping to start a whole fucking World War.

Eh, it was still a lot to pay for just one country, I have to disagree with you there.

If we went with Americas idea of less fines for Germany, the Great war would be the only war.

Nah, there still would've been the issue of that overtly nationalist, militaristic culture Germany had. The country was literally formed thanks to Prussia and the small German states winning a war against France, after all.

The French idea of breaking apart the country would've been much better, in my opinion.

[Kustonia]

Could you pay 1,000,000,000 Marks with your country devastated? Would you have people starve, to pay of the country's debt? Or would you fight back in defiance?!

That's what I thought.

When you're arguing that the Nazis were the good guys, it's time to stop.

As for the country being devastated- if you don't want the country devastated, don't fight the war in the first place, and if you don't want it to be even worse the second time, then don't try and start shit again after round one.

As for people starving to pay off the country's debts- Weimar Germany had its hyperinflation problems near the beginning, but they did eventually get over those, you know. Frankly, a lot of that was just because things were a mess immediately post-war (which is, you know, directly attributable to Germany having willingly fought a long and bloody war).

Germany didn't have to pay back all of it'd debt because he declared war! Also, before the war, Hitler revived the German economy.

https://nationalvanguard.org/2018/06/ho ... s-economy/

[Risottia]

From a Dutch news source, through Google Translate (I'm Dutch, I will translate it into proper English);

Minister Stef Blok (Foreign Affairs) made statements in a private meeting about ethnicity and multicultural societies. For example, the VVD minister said that he does not know a peaceful multicultural society and that it is genetically determined that man does not bind himself to "unknown people".

Switzerland points and laughs at "mister" Blok, head of the Foreign Ministry.
Also the Helvetic Confederation scoffs at the puny Dutch cheeses and loads her crossbows.

[Torrocca]

When you're arguing that the Nazis were the good guys, it's time to stop.

As for the country being devastated- if you don't want the country devastated, don't fight the war in the first place, and if you don't want it to be even worse the second time, then don't try and start shit again after round one.

As for people starving to pay off the country's debts- Weimar Germany had its hyperinflation problems near the beginning, but they did eventually get over those, you know. Frankly, a lot of that was just because things were a mess immediately post-war (which is, you know, directly attributable to Germany having willingly fought a long and bloody war).

Germany didn't have to pay back all of it'd debt because he declared war! Also, before the war, Hitler revived the German economy.

https://nationalvanguard.org/2018/06/ho ... s-economy/

The German economy was revived by the 1920s, well before the Nazis had a modicum of power.

[Frievolk]

Eh, it was still a lot to pay for just one country, I have to disagree with you there.

If we went with Americas idea of less fines for Germany, the Great war would be the only war.

Nah, there still would've been the issue of that overtly nationalist, militaristic culture Germany had. The country was literally formed thanks to Prussia and the small German states winning a war against France, after all.

The French idea of breaking apart the country would've been much better, in my opinion.

Which would... solve neither the "militaristic" nor the "nationalistic" cultural traits you propose to be a problem. The Union was formed willingly after all, so all it would do would be pissing off five or six Angry German states. And The more German states you have in Europe, the bigger the mess. (No offense to any Germans).
Honestly, the French shouldn't have been allowed to take part in the negotiations.

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

When you're arguing that the Nazis were the good guys, it's time to stop.

As for the country being devastated- if you don't want the country devastated, don't fight the war in the first place, and if you don't want it to be even worse the second time, then don't try and start shit again after round one.

As for people starving to pay off the country's debts- Weimar Germany had its hyperinflation problems near the beginning, but they did eventually get over those, you know. Frankly, a lot of that was just because things were a mess immediately post-war (which is, you know, directly attributable to Germany having willingly fought a long and bloody war).

Germany didn't have to pay back all of it'd debt because he declared war! Also, before the war, Hitler revived the German economy.

https://nationalvanguard.org/2018/06/ho ... s-economy/

Yeah, your source does not hold the same weight here, the actual real world than it does in your white nationalist echo chamber forums.

[Torrocca]

Nah, there still would've been the issue of that overtly nationalist, militaristic culture Germany had. The country was literally formed thanks to Prussia and the small German states winning a war against France, after all.

The French idea of breaking apart the country would've been much better, in my opinion.

Which would... solve neither the "militaristic" nor the "nationalistic" cultural traits you propose to be a problem. The Union was formed willingly after all, so all it would do would be pissing off five or six Angry German states. And The more German states you have in Europe, the bigger the mess. (No offense to any Germans).
Honestly, the French shouldn't have been allowed to take part in the negotiations.

Division and partition would've kept them from being able to wage a military campaign that saw conquest from France to the steppes of Eurasia.

[Kustonia]

You're being an immature 2-year old, 25 year old male. Knock it off, cause you've just proven to everyone here how immature and moronic you really are.

I find it funny how you’re threating actions from the Mods, which is against the rules and then go around and throw around insults. I find you to be a hilarious parody.

You are joking about highly sensitive issues. Does this not deserve action from higher-ups?

[Risottia]

Something something same culture I bet

Everyone knows that all Europeans are the same.

Except for Jews. And Gypsies. And Albanians. And Turks. And *insert useful scapegoat ethnicity of the moment and location*