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Postby Gracia Divina » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:50 am

I think it should be banned, but not because of syncopation? This is a bad idea, many native peoples with rich cultures use syncopation in their music. This Christian concern is in fact cultural imperialism and also racism in disguise. We should ban instead music that is firstly electronic and secondly that does not praise the Lord.
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Postby Tlerzhenvoa » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:53 am

Gracia Divina wrote:I think it should be banned, but not because of syncopation? This is a bad idea, many native peoples with rich cultures use syncopation in their music. This Christian concern is in fact cultural imperialism and also racism in disguise. We should ban instead music that is firstly electronic and secondly that does not praise the Lord.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:55 am

Gracia Divina wrote:I think it should be banned, but not because of syncopation? This is a bad idea, many native peoples with rich cultures use syncopation in their music. This Christian concern is in fact cultural imperialism and also racism in disguise. We should ban instead music that is firstly electronic and secondly that does not praise the Lord.

You call it "cultural imperialism", I call it "people listening to what they like".

I am that "imperialism victim" and the reason I listen to 70s American/British/Australian classic rock and not Polish gospel isn't some imperialist exec, but me liking that stuff.

And what's wrong with a bit of ones and zeroes, and not praising a guy who quite possibly does not exist?
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Postby Gracia Divina » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:56 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Gracia Divina wrote:I think it should be banned, but not because of syncopation? This is a bad idea, many native peoples with rich cultures use syncopation in their music. This Christian concern is in fact cultural imperialism and also racism in disguise. We should ban instead music that is firstly electronic and secondly that does not praise the Lord.

You call it "cultural imperialism", I call it "people listening to what they like".

And what's wrong with a bit of ones and zeroes, and not praising a guy who quite possibly does not exist?

I am saying that banning music because of syncopation is cultural imperialism. And God is real.
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Postby Tlerzhenvoa » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:57 am

Gracia Divina wrote:I think it should be banned, but not because of syncopation? This is a bad idea, many native peoples with rich cultures use syncopation in their music. This Christian concern is in fact cultural imperialism and also racism in disguise. We should ban instead music that is firstly electronic and secondly that does not praise the Lord.

"Cultural Imperialism is bad. Anyways, we should force Christianity into every aspect of daily life."
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Postby Gracia Divina » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:58 am

Tlerzhenvoa wrote:
Gracia Divina wrote:I think it should be banned, but not because of syncopation? This is a bad idea, many native peoples with rich cultures use syncopation in their music. This Christian concern is in fact cultural imperialism and also racism in disguise. We should ban instead music that is firstly electronic and secondly that does not praise the Lord.

"Cultural Imperialism is bad. Anyways, we should force Christianity into every aspect of daily life."

Christianity is not a culture. Every culture can worship the Lord in its own fashion. Jesus was not from my culture for instance, or probably from yours either.
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Postby Tlerzhenvoa » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:59 am

Gracia Divina wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:You call it "cultural imperialism", I call it "people listening to what they like".

And what's wrong with a bit of ones and zeroes, and not praising a guy who quite possibly does not exist?

I am saying that banning music because of syncopation is cultural imperialism.

That is not wrong, but banning any music that doesn't have an explicit Christian message is some pretty f*cking hardcore cultural imperialism.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:00 am

Gracia Divina wrote:And God is real.

Prove it.

My take is that the idea of at least the Christian God is a deep contradiction - if God is good, why did he let evil out in the world, put us in a world with limited resources, let us sin, etc.?

A good guy doesn't allow bad stuff on his watch. Saying "because Satan and free will" is like saying "this guy is a good security guard, it's just that he lets criminals get in, but it's not his fault they steal".
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Postby Gracia Divina » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:01 am

Tlerzhenvoa wrote:
Gracia Divina wrote:I am saying that banning music because of syncopation is cultural imperialism.

That is not wrong, but banning any music that doesn't have an explicit Christian message is some pretty f*cking hardcore cultural imperialism.

No, Christianity is not a culture.
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Postby Gracia Divina » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:02 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Gracia Divina wrote:And God is real.

Prove it.

My take is that the idea of at least the Christian God is a deep contradiction - if God is good, why did he let evil out in the world, put us in a world with limited resources, let us sin, etc.?

A good guy doesn't allow bad stuff on his watch. Saying "because Satan and free will" is like saying "this guy is a good security guard, it's just that he lets criminals get in, but it's not his fault they steal".

It is not for you or me to understand God. It is for us to obey Him. You are lost now but one day you will be found, I hope and pray.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:15 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Your personal displeasure is not reason enough to ban music genres. I hate collard greens, and yet I think it would be stupid to call for a ban on collard greens.

You don't have to listen to either genre. Just change the station or press next for another track. See how simple that is?

To quote the late George Carlin, "There are two knobs on the radio! One of them turns the radio OFF, and the other one CHANGES THE STATION! Imagine that, reverend, you can actually change the station! It's called freedom of choice, and it's one of the principles this country was founded upon"


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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:16 am

Gracia Divina wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Prove it.

My take is that the idea of at least the Christian God is a deep contradiction - if God is good, why did he let evil out in the world, put us in a world with limited resources, let us sin, etc.?

A good guy doesn't allow bad stuff on his watch. Saying "because Satan and free will" is like saying "this guy is a good security guard, it's just that he lets criminals get in, but it's not his fault they steal".

It is not for you or me to understand God. It is for us to obey Him. You are lost now but one day you will be found, I hope and pray.

If he wants to be obeyed, he should at least show us there is something to obey.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:17 am

Gracia Divina wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Prove it.

My take is that the idea of at least the Christian God is a deep contradiction - if God is good, why did he let evil out in the world, put us in a world with limited resources, let us sin, etc.?

A good guy doesn't allow bad stuff on his watch. Saying "because Satan and free will" is like saying "this guy is a good security guard, it's just that he lets criminals get in, but it's not his fault they steal".

It is not for you or me to understand God. It is for us to obey Him. You are lost now but one day you will be found, I hope and pray.


What God is, wants, approves or disapproves of is not the topic of this thread, however.
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Postby Gracia Divina » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:18 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Gracia Divina wrote:It is not for you or me to understand God. It is for us to obey Him. You are lost now but one day you will be found, I hope and pray.


What God is, wants, approves or disapproves of is not the topic of this thread, however.

This is true, yes.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:20 am

Gracia Divina wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
What God is, wants, approves or disapproves of is not the topic of this thread, however.

This is true, yes.


Novel concept but if YOU do not want to listen to syncopated/electronic/non-religious music, you don't have to. For whatever reason, really. It's freedom of choice and I invite you to exercise it. Others, however, should not be banned from enjoying said music just because of YOUR stated reasons. It's that simple.

Tune into religious stations and have a nice day.
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Postby Gracia Divina » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:23 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Gracia Divina wrote:This is true, yes.


Novel concept but if YOU do not want to listen to syncopated/electronic/non-religious music, you don't have to. For whatever reason, really. It's freedom of choice and I invite you to exercise it. Others, however, should not be banned from enjoying said music just because of YOUR stated reasons. It's that simple.

Tune into religious stations and have a nice day.

I love to listen to syncopated music. I am not a racist.
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San Carlos Islands wrote:How do you ban Popular music??

Well, yes, but with proper education and wholesome activities, children can be taught the proper path. I'll remind everyone of something Professor Harold Hill said during his memorable visit to River City, Iowa ...

One fine night, they leave the pool hall,
Headin' for the dance at the Arm'ry!
Libertine men and Scarlet women!
And Rag-time, shameless music
That'll grab your son and your daughter
With the arms of a jungle animal instinct!

Furthermore, I consider that billiards must be destroyed...
Ethel mermania wrote:Swing music? Goddamit. What's next. Show tunes??

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:24 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Gracia Divina wrote:This is true, yes.


Novel concept but if YOU do not want to listen to syncopated/electronic/non-religious music, you don't have to. For whatever reason, really. It's freedom of choice and I invite you to exercise it. Others, however, should not be banned from enjoying said music just because of YOUR stated reasons. It's that simple.

Tune into religious stations and have a nice day.

Maybe God likes Smokie Robinson and the miracles? They have miracle in their name. Eve4 think of that?
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Ethel mermania wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Novel concept but if YOU do not want to listen to syncopated/electronic/non-religious music, you don't have to. For whatever reason, really. It's freedom of choice and I invite you to exercise it. Others, however, should not be banned from enjoying said music just because of YOUR stated reasons. It's that simple.

Tune into religious stations and have a nice day.

Maybe God likes Smokie Robinson and the miracles? They have miracle in their name. Eve4 think of that?


Pffft. I maintain Jesus is a Led Zeppelin fan and fanboys at the sight of 1970s's Robert Plant.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:27 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Well, yes, but with proper education and wholesome activities, children can be taught the proper path. I'll remind everyone of something Professor Harold Hill said during his memorable visit to River City, Iowa ...


Furthermore, I consider that billiards must be destroyed...
Ethel mermania wrote:Swing music? Goddamit. What's next. Show tunes??

Coming soon: The Sound of Music, Revisionist Edition, in which the Nazis are the good guys who try to stop the von Trapps from singing their decadent, non-Aryan music.

Ah, ragtime: the music used to indicate something takes place a long time ago.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:35 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Maybe God likes Smokie Robinson and the miracles? They have miracle in their name. Eve4 think of that?


Pffft. I maintain Jesus is a Led Zeppelin fan and fanboys at the sight of 1970s's Robert Plant.

Jesus is a jew, he has better taste than that. He likes Aretha.

Fuck8ng anti Semitic spell check, keeps changing jew to new.
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Ethel mermania wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Pffft. I maintain Jesus is a Led Zeppelin fan and fanboys at the sight of 1970s's Robert Plant.

Jesus is a jew, he has better taste than that. He likes Aretha.

Fuck8ng anti Semitic spell check, keeps changing jew to new.


That's because you just found a new way to be anti-Semitic, duh. :p
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:41 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Jesus is a jew, he has better taste than that. He likes Aretha.

Fuck8ng anti Semitic spell check, keeps changing jew to new.


That's because you just found a new way to be anti-Semitic, duh. :p

Not wanting to date a third cousin is NOT anti-Semitic. Dammit.
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Postby BigOstan » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:48 am

Petrolheadia wrote:And what's wrong with a bit of ones and zeroes

Certain bits of ones and zeroes can get you a police visit if uploaded to the internet. Others will get you sent to prison if found on your hard drive and yet others can start a world war if you know where to send them.

Petrolheadia wrote:the Christian God is a deep contradiction - if God is good, why did he let evil out in the world, put us in a world with limited resources, let us sin, etc.?

It's only a contradiction if we accept your assumption - that there is a way to create a better world than this one and you know how to do that. If you really do, please go ahead. I'm looking forward to living in this better world you'll make.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:55 am

Gracia Divina wrote:I think it should be banned, but not because of syncopation? This is a bad idea, many native peoples with rich cultures use syncopation in their music. This Christian concern is in fact cultural imperialism and also racism in disguise. We should ban instead music that is firstly electronic and secondly that does not praise the Lord.


I'm going to quote another poster, because they express my thoughts on Christians banning music.

Cetacea wrote:Praise Him with tambourine and dancing; praise Him with the strings and flute. Praise Him with clashing cymbals; praise Him with resounding cymbals. (Book of Psalms)

It would appear that people who try to ban music have no love of God

God Rocks!!!


I am a Christian (which is rarely relevant except to ask people to please not associate all Christians/people with a faith with sentiments like that).

No music should be banned. No-one should force their beliefs on other people. If someone does not like a particular type of music, they can always not listen.

It's a very simple, but effective, solution.

And listening to/appreciating/enjoying music that began in other cultures is not racism. My goodness.
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