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Postby Telconi » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:29 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Corrian wrote:Really would be better for Democrats to focus on the Medicare for All issue to me than the Assault Weapons Ban. I'm pretty sure I've even read that it isn't an issue millennial somehow support more, either. They support the ban less than the previous. Meanwhile Medicare for All has pretty decent majority support country wide, and probably especially amongst millennial.

But nah, they need to focus on that assault weapons ban according to what they deem the most worthy of cosponsoring.


It's just mind boggling to me that gun bans get something like 50 more co-sponsors than healthcare reform lol. Like yeah there's a ton of problems with Medicare For All and a lot of questions that need answered but it's a whole fuck of a lot better campaign position than "lol ban the scary guns".


It isn't tho, fucking with the other side gets people all giddy. That''s why there were Trump rally chants of 'lock her up' and not 'create and maintain steady job growth!'
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Postby Ism » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:49 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Corrian wrote:Really would be better for Democrats to focus on the Medicare for All issue to me than the Assault Weapons Ban. I'm pretty sure I've even read that it isn't an issue millennial somehow support more, either. They support the ban less than the previous. Meanwhile Medicare for All has pretty decent majority support country wide, and probably especially amongst millennial.

But nah, they need to focus on that assault weapons ban according to what they deem the most worthy of cosponsoring.


It's just mind boggling to me that gun bans get something like 50 more co-sponsors than healthcare reform lol. Like yeah there's a ton of problems with Medicare For All and a lot of questions that need answered but it's a whole fuck of a lot better campaign position than "lol ban the scary guns".


From the Democratic perspective, they aren't going to lose votes for the gun bill, not a significant number anyway, but some massive government spending increase like Medicare for All? That'll hit 'em. Hard. It's not at all surprising more would sponsor the former than the latter. Not that I agree with it mind you, but it does make sense.

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Postby Mystic Warriors » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:00 pm

Ism wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's just mind boggling to me that gun bans get something like 50 more co-sponsors than healthcare reform lol. Like yeah there's a ton of problems with Medicare For All and a lot of questions that need answered but it's a whole fuck of a lot better campaign position than "lol ban the scary guns".


From the Democratic perspective, they aren't going to lose votes for the gun bill, not a significant number anyway, but some massive government spending increase like Medicare for All? That'll hit 'em. Hard. It's not at all surprising more would sponsor the former than the latter. Not that I agree with it mind you, but it does make sense.



I read that a lot of young voters find single payer too expensive. I'll try to find it.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:00 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Corrian wrote:Really would be better for Democrats to focus on the Medicare for All issue to me than the Assault Weapons Ban. I'm pretty sure I've even read that it isn't an issue millennial somehow support more, either. They support the ban less than the previous. Meanwhile Medicare for All has pretty decent majority support country wide, and probably especially amongst millennial.

But nah, they need to focus on that assault weapons ban according to what they deem the most worthy of cosponsoring.


It's just mind boggling to me that gun bans get something like 50 more co-sponsors than healthcare reform lol. Like yeah there's a ton of problems with Medicare For All and a lot of questions that need answered but it's a whole fuck of a lot better campaign position than "lol ban the scary guns".


Gun control has 60% support.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:02 pm

Telconi wrote:
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Love it. Unlike pro gun it makes perfect sense.


Of course you do, gotta get that salt fix right?



So salty. Why get mad over polite dissent?
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Postby Telconi » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:07 pm

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Telconi wrote:
Of course you do, gotta get that salt fix right?



So salty. Why get mad over polite dissent?


You can not be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about.
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Postby Corrian » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:08 pm

Ism wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's just mind boggling to me that gun bans get something like 50 more co-sponsors than healthcare reform lol. Like yeah there's a ton of problems with Medicare For All and a lot of questions that need answered but it's a whole fuck of a lot better campaign position than "lol ban the scary guns".


From the Democratic perspective, they aren't going to lose votes for the gun bill, not a significant number anyway, but some massive government spending increase like Medicare for All? That'll hit 'em. Hard. It's not at all surprising more would sponsor the former than the latter. Not that I agree with it mind you, but it does make sense.

How does something with majority support versus not majority support make them lose voters? The gun bill DOES make them lose voters while the Medicare for All one would likely GAIN them voters.

Mystic Warriors wrote:Gun control has 60% support.

Gun control isn't the same as assault rifle bans, though.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:10 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's just mind boggling to me that gun bans get something like 50 more co-sponsors than healthcare reform lol. Like yeah there's a ton of problems with Medicare For All and a lot of questions that need answered but it's a whole fuck of a lot better campaign position than "lol ban the scary guns".


Gun control has 60% support.


Bans don't.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:12 pm

Telconi wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

So someone sliding in polls doesn't mean something is wrong? :roll:


If you are dropping in polls legit and constant, there is something wrong.


Not if you should lose.

Like it or not Gavin Newsom is going to be your next Governor and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it,
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:13 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:
Gun control has 60% support.


Bans don't.



Good thing that's not the goal then.
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Postby Ism » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:13 pm

Corrian wrote:
Ism wrote:
From the Democratic perspective, they aren't going to lose votes for the gun bill, not a significant number anyway, but some massive government spending increase like Medicare for All? That'll hit 'em. Hard. It's not at all surprising more would sponsor the former than the latter. Not that I agree with it mind you, but it does make sense.

How does something with majority support versus not majority support make them lose voters? The gun bill DOES make them lose voters while the Medicare for All one would likely GAIN them voters.

Mystic Warriors wrote:Gun control has 60% support.

Gun control isn't the same as assault rifle bans, though.


Because people are generally leery about massive increases in federal spending, and the presumed massive tax hike to compensate for it. Especially given the recent massive tax cut. Add in the big 'n' scary 32 trillion number floating around and you can seriously deplete support for something otherwise popular. People might like the idea of Medicare for All or similar universal healthcare schemes, but they do not at all like the price tag.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:15 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bans don't.



Good thing that's not the goal then.


It's literally in your party platform lol
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Postby Telconi » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Not if you should lose.

Like it or not Gavin Newsom is going to be your next Governor and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it,


Thanks for that, I was fucking eating...
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Postby Telconi » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:18 pm

Corrian wrote:
Ism wrote:
From the Democratic perspective, they aren't going to lose votes for the gun bill, not a significant number anyway, but some massive government spending increase like Medicare for All? That'll hit 'em. Hard. It's not at all surprising more would sponsor the former than the latter. Not that I agree with it mind you, but it does make sense.

How does something with majority support versus not majority support make them lose voters? The gun bill DOES make them lose voters while the Medicare for All one would likely GAIN them voters.

Mystic Warriors wrote:Gun control has 60% support.

Gun control isn't the same as assault rifle bans, though.


This.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:21 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Like it or not Gavin Newsom is going to be your next Governor and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it,


Thanks for that, I was fucking eating...

Sorry but there is literally nothing you can do about it.

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Postby Mystic Warriors » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:22 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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Good thing that's not the goal then.


It's literally in your party platform lol



:rofl:


And what party is that sir?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:23 pm

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It's literally in your party platform lol



:rofl:


And what party is that sir?


You can keep playing this cute little game but you're a Democrat and we both know it, even if on paper you aren't.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:23 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Like it or not Gavin Newsom is going to be your next Governor and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it,


Thanks for that, I was fucking eating...



The better man is leading.
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Postby Corrian » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:24 pm

Ism wrote:Because people are generally leery about massive increases in federal spending, and the presumed massive tax hike to compensate for it. Especially given the recent massive tax cut. Add in the big 'n' scary 32 trillion number floating around and you can seriously deplete support for something otherwise popular. People might like the idea of Medicare for All or similar universal healthcare schemes, but they do not at all like the price tag.

They need to be told that that price tag is still lower than what we currently pay.

Mystic Warriors wrote:Good thing that's not the goal then.

Except it is.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:24 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Thanks for that, I was fucking eating...



The better man is leading, get over it

And he will probably win in landslide. My guess is he gets close to 60 percent
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:25 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

:rofl:


And what party is that sir?


You can keep playing this cute little game but you're a Democrat and we both know it, even if on paper you aren't.





I know my own beliefs better than you. Youre not a psychic and have no right to tell people what they think. And I am to the left of the Democratic party.
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Postby Corrian » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:26 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Thanks for that, I was fucking eating...



The better man is leading, get over it

This "Get over it" attitude is dumb. What if Trump was leading? Would you be telling them to "Get over it"? And the "better man" is subjective.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:26 pm

Corrian wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

The better man is leading, get over it

This "Get over it" attitude is dumb. What if Trump was leading? Would you be telling them to "Get over it"? And the "better man" is subjective.

John Cox is a perennial candidate with little to no plan and very little chance of winning. Its quite he's the best Republicans could come up win
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:27 pm

Corrian wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

The better man is leading, get over it

This "Get over it" attitude is dumb. What if Trump was leading? Would you be telling them to "Get over it"? And the "better man" is subjective.



Its fair play
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:31 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
I know my own beliefs better than you.


Alright, what's Democratic Socialism?

Mystic Warriors wrote:Your not a psychic and have no right to tell people what they think.


Firstly, you're. Secondly, I do have that right.

Mystic Warriors wrote:And I am to the left of the Democratic party.


So is Elizabeth Warren. That means nothing. You're blatantly partisan and in favor of one side.
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