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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:01 am

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Postby Corrian » Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:10 pm

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/ ... ors-714291

A recent poll has Scott Walker trailing the likely Democrat by 13 points.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:04 pm

Corrian wrote:https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/26/polls-walker-wisconsin-michigan-minnesota-governors-714291

A recent poll has Scott Walker trailing the likely Democrat by 13 points.

i hope he loses by that much and the state legislature flips.

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:13 pm

Corrian wrote:https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/26/polls-walker-wisconsin-michigan-minnesota-governors-714291

A recent poll has Scott Walker trailing the likely Democrat by 13 points.


But people in the right-wing told me Wisconsin was red forever and Democrats should leave it and/or move to the right to win more.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:15 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Corrian wrote:https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/26/polls-walker-wisconsin-michigan-minnesota-governors-714291

A recent poll has Scott Walker trailing the likely Democrat by 13 points.


But people in the right-wing told me Wisconsin was red forever and Democrats should leave it and/or move to the right to win more.

Of course. That makes sense given the massive statewide victory for the Democrats for the state supreme court in April when they nominee a fairly liberal democrat. Its truly a lost cause.


yeah Michigan is a lost cause too unless they move to the center. That examples the wide lead the likely nominee Democratic nominee Gretchen Whitmer has over both Republican candidates and the massive generic ballot lead which would likely wield the Democrats a trifecta for the first time in years.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:43 pm

Corrian wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You have great analysis. You should be a political pundit. Tennessee is also having a lot of local elections including countywide elections. Two of the biggest counties voting are Shelby (Memphis is the county seat) and Knox County. Knox County is of note as former WWE wrestler Glenn Jacobs is running for mayor of the county His ring name was Kane.

What the hell is a county mayor.


Down in Tennessee and a few other states, the county mayor is the one that runs the day-to-day county operations.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:43 pm

I don't think it'll be that big a gap.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:46 pm

Corrian wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You have great analysis. You should be a political pundit. Tennessee is also having a lot of local elections including countywide elections. Two of the biggest counties voting are Shelby (Memphis is the county seat) and Knox County. Knox County is of note as former WWE wrestler Glenn Jacobs is running for mayor of the county His ring name was Kane.

What the hell is a county mayor.

Its very similar to a county executive I think.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:47 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:I don't think it'll be that big a gap.

Nor do I

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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:50 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:I don't think it'll be that big a gap.

Same over here.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:51 pm

Well, Trump's made another endorsement: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-endorses-star-john-james-michigan-senate-primary-171828532--election.html

Though he's 15-18 points behind Stabenow in the polls, so it's another one that won't change anything. It could get him the nomination though.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:53 pm

Shrillland wrote:Well, Trump's made another endorsement: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-endorses-star-john-james-michigan-senate-primary-171828532--election.html

Though he's 15-18 points behind Stabenow in the polls, so it's another one that won't change anything. It could get him the nomination though.

Its highly unlikely Stabenow loses.

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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Well, Trump's made another endorsement: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-endorses-star-john-james-michigan-senate-primary-171828532--election.html

Though he's 15-18 points behind Stabenow in the polls, so it's another one that won't change anything. It could get him the nomination though.

Its highly unlikely Stabenow loses.

Trump-endorsed candidates seem to be the most powerful, with the surge of nationalism and conservatism in this country.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:06 pm

The South Falls wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Its highly unlikely Stabenow loses.

Trump-endorsed candidates seem to be the most powerful, with the surge of nationalism and conservatism in this country.


I wouldn't say there is a surge of nationalism. Stabenow is popular and I really can't foresee her losing. It would be massive red wave if she loses.

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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Trump-endorsed candidates seem to be the most powerful, with the surge of nationalism and conservatism in this country.


I wouldn't say there is a surge of nationalism. Stabenow is popular and I really can't foresee her losing. It would be massive red wave if she loses.

That is true. Although populism goes both ways, so May be she'll win.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:14 pm

The South Falls wrote:
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I wouldn't say there is a surge of nationalism. Stabenow is popular and I really can't foresee her losing. It would be massive red wave if she loses.

That is true. Although populism goes both ways, so May be she'll win.

I really cannot foresee her losing although i dont believe any election is written in stone anymore even election in Albany, New York a democratic stronghold.

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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The South Falls wrote:That is true. Although populism goes both ways, so May be she'll win.

I really cannot foresee her losing although i dont believe any election is written in stone anymore even election in Albany, New York a democratic stronghold.

Eh, at least we haven't gotten a Nazi.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:22 pm

The South Falls wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I really cannot foresee her losing although i dont believe any election is written in stone anymore even election in Albany, New York a democratic stronghold.

Eh, at least we haven't gotten a Nazi.

True but it has emerged after the primary that a candidate is a Nazi like it California 11. They have almost no chance of winning but people assuming victory is how monsters John Fitzgerald win

Hes not the only one either: https://www.vox.com/2018/7/9/17525860/n ... a-virginia
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Eh, at least we haven't gotten a Nazi.

True but it has emerged after the primary that a candidate is a Nazi like it California 11. They have almost no chance of winning but people assuming victory is how monsters John Fitzgerald win


Or like here in Illinois. The big difference there is that Fitzgerald managed to win because nobody was paying attention while Jones won because other Republicans didn't see beating a nazi as sufficient grounds to run in an unwinnable general.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:28 pm

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San Lumen wrote:True but it has emerged after the primary that a candidate is a Nazi like it California 11. They have almost no chance of winning but people assuming victory is how monsters John Fitzgerald win


Or like here in Illinois. The big difference there is that Fitzgerald managed to win because nobody was paying attention while Jones won because other Republicans didn't see beating a nazi as sufficient grounds to run in an unwinnable general.


Well I dont assume victory in any election anymore. I always see an outside chance of an upset. A friend of mine in Chicago is genuinely worried by people saying they wont vote because the incumbent who narrowly won his primary is too moderate or their vote doesnt matter as the district so blue it wont matter and it could allow that monster to win. I expect to see coverage of that race on election night.

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Postby Shrillland » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Or like here in Illinois. The big difference there is that Fitzgerald managed to win because nobody was paying attention while Jones won because other Republicans didn't see beating a nazi as sufficient grounds to run in an unwinnable general.


Well I dont assume victory in any election anymore. I always see an outside chance of an upset. A friend of mine in Chicago is genuinely worried by people saying they wont vote because the incumbent who narrowly won his primary is too moderate or their vote doesnt matter as the district so blue it wont matter and it could allow that monster to win. I expect to see coverage of that race on election night.


I don't expect victory. Not only is the 3rd a solidly centrist district full of Polish and Latinx Catholics who won't vote for someone who actively hates their guts, it's one of those hereditary house seats. Lipinski will easily win.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:31 pm

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Well I dont assume victory in any election anymore. I always see an outside chance of an upset. A friend of mine in Chicago is genuinely worried by people saying they wont vote because the incumbent who narrowly won his primary is too moderate or their vote doesnt matter as the district so blue it wont matter and it could allow that monster to win. I expect to see coverage of that race on election night.


I don't expect victory. Not only is the 3rd a solidly centrist district full of Polish and Latinx Catholics who won't vote for someone who actively hates their guts, it's one of those hereditary house seats. Lipinski will easily win.

I sincerely hope he gets no votes but he will invariably get some.

Hes not the only Nazi or avowed racist running either. https://www.vox.com/2018/7/9/17525860/n ... a-virginia
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:47 pm

A little late, but the Plaza's expanding again with our first referendum in Washington State:

Just one measure to look at. Initiative 1639 would bring fairly sweeping gun control regulations to the state including raising the minimum age for buying semiautomatic assault rifles(SARS for future reference) and pistols to 21, require prospective owners of all firearms to undergo background checks and pass firearm safety exams, impose a 10-day waiting period on purchasing SARs, require gun shops to charge a $25 licence fee, and make leaving guns in places where people forbidden from possessing them can get to them a Class C Felony. Washington isn't as uniformly blue as some think, so even though I think it will pass, it'll be closer than some might think.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:49 pm

Shrillland wrote:A little late, but the Plaza's expanding again with our first referendum in Washington State:

Just one measure to look at. Initiative 1639 would bring fairly sweeping gun control regulations to the state including raising the minimum age for buying semiautomatic assault rifles(SARS for future reference) and pistols to 21, require prospective owners of all firearms to undergo background checks and pass firearm safety exams, impose a 10-day waiting period on purchasing SARs, require gun shops to charge a $25 licence fee, and make leaving guns in places where people forbidden from possessing them can get to them a Class C Felony. Washington isn't as uniformly blue as some think, so even though I think it will pass, it'll be closer than some might think.


The initiative was done fraudulently and will probably be thrown out in court.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:51 pm

Yes, possibly after seeing what issues there were. For everyone who might not know what WRA means, here's the story: http://www.spokanepublicradio.org/post/firearms-initiative-certified-november-ballot
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