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Postby Shrillland » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:55 pm

Here's the final recent polls for the Plaza:
Arkansas-Issue 2(authorising four casinos and detailing taxation and appropriation)
Hendrix College 10/18 - 10/19
Yes: 49%
No: 43%
Current Projection: Too Close

California-Prop 6(repeal gas tax increase and require future propositions for all further fuel/vehicle tax/fee increases)
Public Policy Institute 10/12 - 10/21
No: 48%
Yes: 41%
Current Projection: Moved from Too Close to Rejected

California- Prop 10(Repeal ban on rent control)
Public Policy Institute from above
No: 60%
Yes: 25%
Current Projection: Rejected

Colorado-Amendment Y(Establish independent congressional redistricting commission)
University of Colorado/YouGov 10/12 - 10/17
Yes: 78%
No: 22%
Current Projection: Approved

Colorado-Amendment 73(Establish income tax brackets for higher incomes)
University of Colorado/YouGov from above
Yes: 58%
No: 42%
Current Projection: Approved

Colorado-Amendment 74(Require state compensation for decreased property values caused by state laws)
University of Colorado/YouGov from above
Yes: 63%
No: 37%
Current Projection: Approved

Colorado-Amendment 75(Raise campaign limits if one candidate puts up $1 million or more from own pocket)
University of Colorado/YouGov from above
No: 61%
Yes: 39%
Current Projection: Rejected

Colorado-Prop 111(Reduce payday loan interest rates and eliminate fees)
University of Colorado/YouGov from above
Yes: 84%
No: 16%
Current Projection: Approved

Colorado-Prop 112(Require drilling and fracking to be at least 2,500 feet away from occupied or vulnerable areas)
University of Colorado/YouGov from above
Yes: 52%
No: 48%
Current Projection: Too Close

Massachusetts-Question 1(Patient limits for nurses)
Boston Globe 10/24 - 10/27
No: 59%
Yes: 32%
Current Projection: Moved from Too Close to Rejected

Michigan-Proposal 1(Legalise marijuana)
EPIC-MRA 10/18 - 10/23
Yes: 57%
No: 41%
Current Projection: Approved

Michigan-Proposal 2(Independent redistricting commission)
EPIC-MRA from above
Yes: 59%
No: 29%
Current Projection: Approved

Michigan-Proposal 3(Add voting policies to constitution)
EPIC-MRA from above
Yes: 68%
No: 28%
Current Projection: Approved

North Dakota-Measure 1(Establish ethics commission and implement campaign reforms)
KFYR/KLVY 10/12 - 10/19
Yes: 42%
No: 34%
Current Projection: Approved

North Dakota-Measure 2(Require US citizenship for voting)
KFYR/KLVY from above
Yes: 72%
No: 20%
Current Projection: Approved

North Dakota-Measure 3(Legalise marijuana and automatically expunge all marijuana-based felonies)
KFYR/KLVY from above
No: 65%
Yes: 28%
Current Projection: Rejected

North Dakota-Measure 4(Provide volunteer EMTs with special licence plates and free entry to state parks)
KFYR/KLVY from above
Yes: 55%
No: 26%
Current Projection: Approved
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:03 pm

Anyone voting for rent control is an idiot.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:03 pm

Telconi wrote:
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Oh that's true. In general Cali tends to be for the things Cox is against. Reps might have had a chance with a moderate......did one even try to run?


At this point, I don't think it matters, Kashkari was a moderate, and he got soundly beaten by Jerry forking Brown.


Didn't he have involvement with the bank bailouts? I seem to recall some dodgy comments about welfare as well but hey doesn't matter now. Republican is bad word these days in California.......
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:04 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:Anyone voting for rent control is an idiot.


How much does rent go for in your area?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:05 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:Anyone voting for rent control is an idiot.

Yeah how dare people be able to afford where they live. Housing should be something only the rich can afford

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Postby Freezic Vast » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:Anyone voting for rent control is an idiot.

Yeah how dare people be able to afford where they live. Housing should be something only the rich can afford

That's not what he said.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:07 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah how dare people be able to afford where they live. Housing should be something only the rich can afford

That's not what he said.


You think it matters to Lumen?
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Postby Kaggeceria » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:Anyone voting for rent control is an idiot.

Yeah how dare people be able to afford where they live. Housing should be something only the rich can afford

And destroy property values? No thanks.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:Anyone voting for rent control is an idiot.

Yeah how dare people be able to afford where they live. Housing should be something only the rich can afford


Again, do you not read or are you this bad at debating?

The Black Forrest wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:Anyone voting for rent control is an idiot.


How much does rent go for in your area?


In my home town or where I go to college? Also, kinda besides the point; Rent Control simply doesn't work.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:08 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah how dare people be able to afford where they live. Housing should be something only the rich can afford

And destroy property values? No thanks.

Yeah because only profit matters

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Postby Northeast American Federation » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:08 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah how dare people be able to afford where they live. Housing should be something only the rich can afford

And destroy property values? No thanks.

When you're talking to somebody who thinks the whole concept of private property is illegitimate, there's no point in arguing against it from a perspective of property values, because that means nothing to them.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:Anyone voting for rent control is an idiot.

Yeah how dare people be able to afford where they live. Housing should be something only the rich can afford


The issue is not people affording it. The issue is that a lot of renters will just make condos out of existing apartments, or will otherwise try to circumvent rent control.

Rent control is just not sustainable from an economic standpoint, let alone practical for the situation of high rent.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:And destroy property values? No thanks.

Yeah because only profit matters


Rent is plenty affordable where I live, there's no reason to implement regulations to limit it.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:And destroy property values? No thanks.

Yeah because only profit matters

If you want neighborhoods to have higher living standards and be safer then you need good property value.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:09 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah because only profit matters


Rent is plenty affordable where I live, there's no reason to implement regulations to limit it.

Try telling that to people in San Francisco or Boston

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Postby Kaggeceria » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Rent is plenty affordable where I live, there's no reason to implement regulations to limit it.

Try telling that to people in San Francisco or Boston

Cities run by Democrats whom you almost certainly support.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Rent is plenty affordable where I live, there's no reason to implement regulations to limit it.

Try telling that to people in San Francisco or Boston


Why do they matter?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:10 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah because only profit matters

If you want neighborhoods to have higher living standards and be safer then you need good property value.

Here is a better solution in addition to rent control stop building luxary housing for rich people and build affordable housing only and there would not be a shortage. Rocket science i know

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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:If you want neighborhoods to have higher living standards and be safer then you need good property value.

Here is a better solution in addition to rent control stop building luxary housing for rich people and build affordable housing only and there would not be a shortage. Rocket science i know


But luxury housing rents for more.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:And destroy property values? No thanks.

Yeah because only profit matters


Well, yes, profit does matter in this case tbh.

The renting market is all about you renting or borrowing someone else's property, as a result, rent control will certainly make them feel like they have no other choice but to change their business model as rent control is effectively a price ceiling, and price ceilings don't work in an economy that, for all intents and purposes, it's supposed to be healthy despite the distortions in the market.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Rent is plenty affordable where I live, there's no reason to implement regulations to limit it.

Try telling that to people in San Francisco or Boston

You mean the cities run by the people who you support? You know how fucking hypocritical you sound right now?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:12 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Try telling that to people in San Francisco or Boston


Why do they matter?

You have a computer or smart phone? There is a high chance that computer was designed in the Bay Area and the apps on your phone are headquartered in San Francisco. Even well payed people at Facebook are having trouble paying their rent.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:12 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Try telling that to people in San Francisco or Boston


Why do they matter?


Well, since Prop 10 is in California, the ones in San Francisco matter a lot I would imagine. As would people in your neck of the woods down Fresno way.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:13 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Here is a better solution in addition to rent control stop building luxary housing for rich people and build affordable housing only and there would not be a shortage. Rocket science i know


But luxury housing rents for more.


Why not make all housing something for the rich? After all its more profitable.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Rent is plenty affordable where I live, there's no reason to implement regulations to limit it.

Try telling that to people in San Francisco or Boston


Rent Control and housing restrictions is what has made the prices there so high.
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