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Post War America
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Postby Post War America » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:00 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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The republicans would not have allowed a replacement if she did.


Just like they didn't allow Kagan and Sotomayor, right?


They didn't allow for Garland, and were more than happy to appoint an extremist in the place of Kennedy. Methinks a permanent judicial dictatorship would be more important to them than any semblance of a "balanced court".
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:01 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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Don't worry your new Governor Newsom will probably ignore what you would like.


Thankfully Justice Kavanaugh won't ignore what he likes :)


Oh I expect he will vote as he is told.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:01 pm

Post War America wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Just like they didn't allow Kagan and Sotomayor, right?


They didn't allow for Garland, and were more than happy to appoint an extremist in the place of Kennedy. Methinks a permanent judicial dictatorship would be more important to them than any semblance of a "balanced court".


Tbqh replacing Scalia with Garland is more extreme than replacing Kennedy with Kavanaugh.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:01 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Don't worry your new Governor Newsom will probably ignore what you would like.


Of course he will, he prides himself in being my enemy.

Yeah how dare a majority has the audacity to vote for reasonable person they want to see lead the state.

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:02 pm

Bah, we can just expand the court or recall Kav and Gorsuch if we really wanna toss everything out the window.
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Post War America
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Postby Post War America » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:03 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Post War America wrote:
They didn't allow for Garland, and were more than happy to appoint an extremist in the place of Kennedy. Methinks a permanent judicial dictatorship would be more important to them than any semblance of a "balanced court".


Tbqh replacing Scalia with Garland is more extreme than replacing Kennedy with Kavanaugh.


Probably, but it makes one think that perhaps lifelong appointments should not be left to partisan whims, or perhaps that lifelong appointments should exist at all.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:03 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Of course he will, he prides himself in being my enemy.

Yeah how dare a majority has the audacity to vote for reasonable person they want to see lead the state.

You lost fair and square, get over it.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Of course he will, he prides himself in being my enemy.

Yeah how dare a majority has the audacity to vote for reasonable person they want to see lead the state.


Gavin Newsom is not a reasonable person.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:05 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Post War America wrote:
They didn't allow for Garland, and were more than happy to appoint an extremist in the place of Kennedy. Methinks a permanent judicial dictatorship would be more important to them than any semblance of a "balanced court".


Tbqh replacing Scalia with Garland is more extreme than replacing Kennedy with Kavanaugh.


Extremes? That argument has zero weight as for example if RBG had to be replaced now they would place a polar opposite.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:05 pm

Post War America wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Tbqh replacing Scalia with Garland is more extreme than replacing Kennedy with Kavanaugh.


Probably, but it makes one think that perhaps lifelong appointments should not be left to partisan whims, or perhaps that lifelong appointments should exist at all.


I'd rather not have the court flip flopping with every change of administration.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:05 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah how dare a majority has the audacity to vote for reasonable person they want to see lead the state.


Gavin Newsom is not a reasonable person.

Maybe to you and a small minority. He will be your next governor whether you like it or not as a majority of the state will vote for him. The coast and the capital region will elect him.

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Postby Post War America » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:06 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Tbqh replacing Scalia with Garland is more extreme than replacing Kennedy with Kavanaugh.


Extremes? That argument has zero weight as if RBG had to be replaced now they would place a polar opposite.


But why have a balanced court when you can ensure your party gets complete control of what laws get passed?
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I don't think Mitch McConnell gives a single slimy turtle shit what you think he should do...


Lets say in hypothetical the legislature in your state was Republican and the people elected a Democratic governor. Would find it acceptable if the legislature refused to allow almost all of their appointments a hearing or a vote?


Given the State Constitution allows them such, yes. I understand the score in this regard; both sides do it, so fuck the other side and get yours.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:07 pm

Post War America wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Extremes? That argument has zero weight as if RBG had to be replaced now they would place a polar opposite.


But why have a balanced court when you can ensure your party gets complete control of what laws get passed?


The idea of a balanced court is overrated. Living document types have no place on the court.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I would encourage them to do exactly that. Just as I encouraged McConnell to block Garland.


Therefore a government unable to function is fine with you? Or they should have to nominate people they disagree with?

You keep saying "therefore" as if you are making intelligent points.

You aren't.
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Post War America
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Postby Post War America » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:09 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Post War America wrote:
But why have a balanced court when you can ensure your party gets complete control of what laws get passed?


The idea of a balanced court is overrated. Living document types have no place on the court.


Evangelical theocrats who wish to replace the First Amendment with the First Commandment also have no place on the court.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:09 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Post War America wrote:
But why have a balanced court when you can ensure your party gets complete control of what laws get passed?


The idea of a balanced court is overrated. Living document types have no place on the court.


Times change. Textualists have no place on the court.
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:10 pm

Post War America wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The idea of a balanced court is overrated. Living document types have no place on the court.


Evangelical theocrats who wish to replace the First Amendment with the First Commandment also have no place on the court.


I agree entirely.

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The idea of a balanced court is overrated. Living document types have no place on the court.


Times change. Textualists have no place on the court.


There's a method to change the Constitution. The Supreme Court is not it.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:11 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Don't worry your new Governor Newsom will probably ignore what you would like.


Of course he will, he prides himself in being my enemy.

Yes, I'm sure Gavin Newsom dedicated his entire political career to pissing off and gathering salt off of some anonymous poster on the internet. Planning on beating Jesus's record hanging on the crucifix? :^]
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:11 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Evangelical theocrats who wish to replace the First Amendment with the First Commandment also have no place on the court.


I agree entirely.

The Black Forrest wrote:
Times change. Textualists have no place on the court.


There's a method to change the Constitution. The Supreme Court is not it.


And if people don't like the way SCOTUS tells them the Constitution works, then they'll just ignore it as they've done in the past.
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Post War America
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Postby Post War America » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:12 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Evangelical theocrats who wish to replace the First Amendment with the First Commandment also have no place on the court.


I agree entirely.

The Black Forrest wrote:
Times change. Textualists have no place on the court.


There's a method to change the Constitution. The Supreme Court is not it.


Then why are you in support of stacking the court with Evangelical theocrats?
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Kaggeceria
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Postby Kaggeceria » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:12 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The idea of a balanced court is overrated. Living document types have no place on the court.


Times change. Textualists have no place on the court.

Textualism is the only proper way to interpret the Constitution. Living document types would render the Constitution meaningless.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:12 pm

Post War America wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I agree entirely.



There's a method to change the Constitution. The Supreme Court is not it.


Then why are you in support of stacking the court with Evangelical theocrats?


I don't. I support stacking it with originalists and textualists.

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I agree entirely.



There's a method to change the Constitution. The Supreme Court is not it.


And if people don't like the way SCOTUS tells them the Constitution works, then they'll just ignore it as they've done in the past.


That is a very real problem that we need a solution to.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:13 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Of course he will, he prides himself in being my enemy.

Yes, I'm sure Gavin Newsom dedicated his entire political career to pissing off and gathering salt off of some anonymous poster on the internet. Planning on beating Jesus's record hanging on the crucifix? :^]


It's almost like demographic groups are a thing.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:14 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Evangelical theocrats who wish to replace the First Amendment with the First Commandment also have no place on the court.


I agree entirely.

The Black Forrest wrote:
Times change. Textualists have no place on the court.


There's a method to change the Constitution. The Supreme Court is not it.


Sure it is. Plessy would still be the law of the land if that was the case.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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