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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:48 am

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I don't think it will be that close

It's Florida close races are basically the most interesting thing about the state. Indiana though should not be so close, I would have expected the GOP candidate to have about a 3-5% lead.


Most recent polling has Braun at 4%, so it's exactly where you're at.

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Yeah, her sleepy self will be 92 come that point. I don't believe her.

She is not going to retire while Trump is president


Whether or not she wants to is irrelevant when she falls over dead.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:49 am

San Lumen wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
Polling out of Indiana shows Braun has a developing lead and Indiana's PVI lends credence to this. If you had bothered to read the post, however, you would've saw I listed Nevada and Florida as tossups.

Yeah its going to be a red wave and Democrats will be lucky to hold any state governments after next week right?


As of late Braun has gained the lead and the average has shifted in his favor.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:49 am

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Why would they get rid of McConnell?

for being derelict in his duties


Uh, what?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:50 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:for being derelict in his duties


His duty is to advance the legislative agenda of his party. That agenda included blocking Garland. He was performing his duties.


No the job of the Senate is to advise and consent not obstruct. The President was chosen by the people and therefore has a right to chose the judges they want and those judges deserve a hearing and a vote.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:50 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
His duty is to advance the legislative agenda of his party. That agenda included blocking Garland. He was performing his duties.


No the job of the Senate is to advise and consent not obstruct. The President was chosen by the people and therefore has a right to chose the judges they want and those judges deserve a hearing and a vote.


They did advise, they just said "No".
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:51 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No the job of the Senate is to advise and consent not obstruct. The President was chosen by the people and therefore has a right to chose the judges they want and those judges deserve a hearing and a vote.


They did advise, they just said "No".


Garland shouldn't have gone to a vote?
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:51 am

San Lumen wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
Polling out of Indiana shows Braun has a developing lead and Indiana's PVI lends credence to this. If you had bothered to read the post, however, you would've saw I listed Nevada and Florida as tossups.

Yeah its going to be a red wave and Democrats will be lucky to hold any state governments after next week right?


Honestly, do you intentionally not read posts or are you really this bad at debating?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:52 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
They did advise, they just said "No".


Garland shouldn't have gone to a vote?


I personally think he should have gotten a vote, it just should have been No.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:52 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
His duty is to advance the legislative agenda of his party. That agenda included blocking Garland. He was performing his duties.


No the job of the Senate is to advise and consent not obstruct. The President was chosen by the people and therefore has a right to chose the judges they want and those judges deserve a hearing and a vote.


And the Senate is elected by popular vote and has the right to shoot down any Judges appointed. Try again.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:52 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
His duty is to advance the legislative agenda of his party. That agenda included blocking Garland. He was performing his duties.


No the job of the Senate is to advise and consent not obstruct. The President was chosen by the people and therefore has a right to chose the judges they want and those judges deserve a hearing and a vote.


So you believe their consent is mandatory?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:53 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No the job of the Senate is to advise and consent not obstruct. The President was chosen by the people and therefore has a right to chose the judges they want and those judges deserve a hearing and a vote.


And the Senate is elected by popular vote and has the right to shoot down any Judges appointed. Try again.

Therefore the President should not get to pick the judges they want and never get a hearings or a vote on them?

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:53 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No the job of the Senate is to advise and consent not obstruct. The President was chosen by the people and therefore has a right to chose the judges they want and those judges deserve a hearing and a vote.


So you believe their consent is mandatory?


They should at the very least hold a hearing and a vote.

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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:54 am

San Lumen wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
And the Senate is elected by popular vote and has the right to shoot down any Judges appointed. Try again.

Therefore the President should not get to pick the judges they want and never get a hearings or a vote on them?


Again, do you not read posts are are you really this terrible at debating?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:54 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Garland shouldn't have gone to a vote?


I personally think he should have gotten a vote, it just should have been No.


That would have avoided the shit show that was Kav. It's only going to get worse.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:54 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
So you believe their consent is mandatory?


They should at the very least hold a hearing and a vote.


I don't think Mitch McConnell gives a single slimy turtle shit what you think he should do...
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:56 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
They should at the very least hold a hearing and a vote.


I don't think Mitch McConnell gives a single slimy turtle shit what you think he should do...


Lets say in hypothetical the legislature in your state was Republican and the people elected a Democratic governor. Would find it acceptable if the legislature refused to allow almost all of their appointments a hearing or a vote?

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Postby Freezic Vast » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:56 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Therefore the President should not get to pick the judges they want and never get a hearings or a vote on them?


Again, do you not read posts are are you really this terrible at debating?

It's San Lumen, so the answer would be yes.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:57 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I don't think Mitch McConnell gives a single slimy turtle shit what you think he should do...


Lets say in hypothetical the legislature in your state was Republican and the people elected a Democratic governor. Would find it acceptable if the legislature refused to allow almost all of their appointments a hearing or a vote?


I would encourage them to do exactly that. Just as I encouraged McConnell to block Garland.
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Postby Trajkov » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:57 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No the job of the Senate is to advise and consent not obstruct. The President was chosen by the people and therefore has a right to chose the judges they want and those judges deserve a hearing and a vote.


And the Senate is elected by popular vote and has the right to shoot down any Judges appointed. Try again.


Sure but the Senate isn't very representative of public opinion though, they may have the legal right to do something but it doesn't speak to the moral legitimacy.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:58 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Lets say in hypothetical the legislature in your state was Republican and the people elected a Democratic governor. Would find it acceptable if the legislature refused to allow almost all of their appointments a hearing or a vote?


I would encourage them to do exactly that. Just as I encouraged McConnell to block Garland.


Therefore a government unable to function is fine with you? Or they should have to nominate people they disagree with?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:59 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Lets say in hypothetical the legislature in your state was Republican and the people elected a Democratic governor. Would find it acceptable if the legislature refused to allow almost all of their appointments a hearing or a vote?


I would encourage them to do exactly that. Just as I encouraged McConnell to block Garland.


Don't worry your new Governor Newsom will probably ignore what you would like.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:00 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I would encourage them to do exactly that. Just as I encouraged McConnell to block Garland.


Don't worry your new Governor Newsom will probably ignore what you would like.

and he won't have a Republican legislature to block everything he wants to do.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I would encourage them to do exactly that. Just as I encouraged McConnell to block Garland.


Therefore a government unable to function is fine with you? Or they should have to nominate people they disagree with?


A government unable to function is preferable to a government which functions detrimentally.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:00 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I would encourage them to do exactly that. Just as I encouraged McConnell to block Garland.


Don't worry your new Governor Newsom will probably ignore what you would like.


Thankfully Justice Kavanaugh won't ignore what he likes :)
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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:00 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I would encourage them to do exactly that. Just as I encouraged McConnell to block Garland.


Don't worry your new Governor Newsom will probably ignore what you would like.


Of course he will, he prides himself in being my enemy.
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