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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:23 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Plus Ginsburg and Breyer are going to sustain themselves out of spite towards the conservative establishment.


Ginsburg said she will not retire until 2025.


Yeah, her sleepy self will be 92 come that point. I don't believe her.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:23 am

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I don't think either Indiana or Florida will flip

Maybe YOU don't but Indiana is a red state and the polling average has Braun up if only barely. Florida is the one that is tough to consider, but I could still see Nelsom hold it by 1 point or less though.


I don't think it will be that close

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:23 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Ginsburg said she will not retire until 2025.


Yeah, her sleepy self will be 92 come that point. I don't believe her.

She is not going to retire while Trump is president

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Postby Freezic Vast » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:26 am

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Freezic Vast wrote:Maybe YOU don't but Indiana is a red state and the polling average has Braun up if only barely. Florida is the one that is tough to consider, but I could still see Nelsom hold it by 1 point or less though.


I don't think it will be that close

It's Florida close races are basically the most interesting thing about the state. Indiana though should not be so close, I would have expected the GOP candidate to have about a 3-5% lead.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:27 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yeah, her sleepy self will be 92 come that point. I don't believe her.

She is not going to retire while Trump is president


That's not what they're getting at. Ginsburg is already over the life expectancy for women and it's fairly well covered that she has trouble staying awake during court proceedings at times. She messed up hard by not retiring in 2013 or so because Trump could potentially replace her with a justice who is her polar opposite.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:28 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yeah, her sleepy self will be 92 come that point. I don't believe her.

She is not going to retire while Trump is president


She may not have a choice.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:29 am

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San Lumen wrote:She is not going to retire while Trump is president


She may not have a choice.

What are you suggesting?

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Postby Freezic Vast » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:30 am

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Telconi wrote:
She may not have a choice.

What are you suggesting?

They're saying she might die before 2020 because of the fact she's been drowsy a lot recently and is past the life expectancy of women.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:32 am

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San Lumen wrote:What are you suggesting?

They're saying she might die before 2020 because of the fact she's been drowsy a lot recently and is past the life expectancy of women.

and that would truly be a dark day.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:32 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
She may not have a choice.

What are you suggesting?


I'm suggesting that people are not indestructible.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:32 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What are you suggesting?


I'm suggesting that people are not indestructible.

I never said they were

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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:33 am

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:They're saying she might die before 2020 because of the fact she's been drowsy a lot recently and is past the life expectancy of women.

and that would truly be a dark day.


She's a nice lady, and despite my strong disagreement with her, I don't believe she is a bad person. But her seat being replaced by a less hostile justice would be anything but dark.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:34 am

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What are you suggesting?

They're saying she might die before 2020 because of the fact she's been drowsy a lot recently and is past the life expectancy of women.


Man if that happens it's gonna be awful. It would blow the Kavanaugh hearings out of the water.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:34 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:She is not going to retire while Trump is president


That's not what they're getting at. Ginsburg is already over the life expectancy for women and it's fairly well covered that she has trouble staying awake during court proceedings at times. She messed up hard by not retiring in 2013 or so because Trump could potentially replace her with a justice who is her polar opposite.


The republicans would not have allowed a replacement if she did.

She can go for as long as she wants.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:35 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That's not what they're getting at. Ginsburg is already over the life expectancy for women and it's fairly well covered that she has trouble staying awake during court proceedings at times. She messed up hard by not retiring in 2013 or so because Trump could potentially replace her with a justice who is her polar opposite.


The republicans would not have allowed a replacement if she did.


Just like they didn't allow Kagan and Sotomayor, right?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:37 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
The republicans would not have allowed a replacement if she did.


Just like they didn't allow Kagan and Sotomayor, right?


Much has has changed since 2009 and 2010. They would not have been placed by this batch.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:39 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Just like they didn't allow Kagan and Sotomayor, right?


Much has has changed since 2009 and 2010. That would not have been placed by this batch.

Republicans have made it very clear that only they have a right to appoint judges. When McConnell announced Garland would not get a hearing the rest of the Republican Senators should have deposed him as leader.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:40 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Much has has changed since 2009 and 2010. That would not have been placed by this batch.

Republicans have made it very clear that only they have a right to appoint judges. When McConnell announced Garland would not get a hearing the rest of the Republican Senators should have deposed him as leader.


It was hardly an unprecedented move. People need to quit acting like it was something new and crazy.

ffs Schumer said he would do the same thing if a SCOTUS seat opened in the latter half of Dubya's presidency.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:42 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Republicans have made it very clear that only they have a right to appoint judges. When McConnell announced Garland would not get a hearing the rest of the Republican Senators should have deposed him as leader.


It was hardly an unprecedented move. People need to quit acting like it was something new and crazy.

ffs Schumer said he would do the same thing if a SCOTUS seat opened in the latter half of Dubya's presidency.

Yes it was unprecedented. They refused votes on dozens of federal court seats as well.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:42 am

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It was hardly an unprecedented move. People need to quit acting like it was something new and crazy.

ffs Schumer said he would do the same thing if a SCOTUS seat opened in the latter half of Dubya's presidency.

Yes it was unprecedented. They refused votes on dozens of federal court seats as well.


Yeah that also happened when Bush was president and the Dems held Congress lol. The court system has always been political.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:44 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Much has has changed since 2009 and 2010. That would not have been placed by this batch.

Republicans have made it very clear that only they have a right to appoint judges. When McConnell announced Garland would not get a hearing the rest of the Republican Senators should have deposed him as leader.


Why would they get rid of McConnell?
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:47 am

San Lumen wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:As of now, I think GOP pickups are likely in Missouri and Indiana and definitely so in North Dakota. All GOP seats, sans Heller in Nevada and McSally in Arizona, are also going to be held. Those two aforementioned plus Scott in Florida are the only two I'm iffy on; if the GOP losses all three but gets the pickups like I expec t them to, there is no change to the Senate. If they successfully defend Heller and McSally and get the pickups, that's a majority increased to 54. Run the gambit and get Florida too, and you get 55. This is pretty important, given that Gingsburg is 85 and Breyer is 80, which means either could drop dead any second. A firm Senate Majority and the happening means Trump could establish a 7-2 Court with all that entails.


Indiana is not a guarantee and Nevada is not guaranteed hold either. Florida isnt a done deal either.


Polling out of Indiana shows Braun has a developing lead and Indiana's PVI lends credence to this. If you had bothered to read the post, however, you would've saw I listed Nevada and Florida as tossups.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:47 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Republicans have made it very clear that only they have a right to appoint judges. When McConnell announced Garland would not get a hearing the rest of the Republican Senators should have deposed him as leader.


Why would they get rid of McConnell?

for being derelict in his duties

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:47 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Indiana is not a guarantee and Nevada is not guaranteed hold either. Florida isnt a done deal either.


Polling out of Indiana shows Braun has a developing lead and Indiana's PVI lends credence to this. If you had bothered to read the post, however, you would've saw I listed Nevada and Florida as tossups.

Yeah its going to be a red wave and Democrats will be lucky to hold any state governments after next week right?

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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:48 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Why would they get rid of McConnell?

for being derelict in his duties


His duty is to advance the legislative agenda of his party. That agenda included blocking Garland. He was performing his duties.
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