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Postby Haselandt » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:36 pm

It will be much better if the Republicans get ahead in the midterm elections. Democrats are not good for America anymore, they're pushing too far left.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:36 pm

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When it comes to electing monsters like Bolsonaro no.

Oh shut up, that's a stupid fucking reason and you know it. Get over it.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:37 pm

Haselandt wrote:It will be much better if the Republicans get ahead in the midterm elections. Democrats are not good for America anymore, they're pushing too far left.

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Postby Haselandt » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:I care about having a planet for children to inherit


The implications of this sound like hyperbole to me.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:57 pm

Haselandt wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I care about having a planet for children to inherit


The implications of this sound like hyperbole to me.


Apparently, if Republicans stay in power, every nuke in the US's arsenal will simultaneously detonate.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Haselandt wrote:
The implications of this sound like hyperbole to me.


Apparently, if Republicans stay in power, every nuke in the US's arsenal will simultaneously detonate.

I think he's talking about Climate Change.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:25 am

Haselandt wrote:It will be much better if the Republicans get ahead in the midterm elections. Democrats are not good for America anymore, they're pushing too far left.


Thinking people should not have to face bankruptcy in order to access healthcare is "too far left" now.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:15 am

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:"Unless they don't vote the way I want them to" -San Lumen

When it comes to electing monsters like Bolsonaro no.


In other words, you want everybody to vote...unless they have a different political opinion to yours.

Basically, you start falling into the hole of authoritarianism.

You might as well just admit your love for control here and now and get this done with.

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Postby Page » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:22 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
San Lumen wrote:When it comes to electing monsters like Bolsonaro no.


In other words, you want everybody to vote...unless they have a different political opinion to yours.

Basically, you start falling into the hole of authoritarianism.

You might as well just admit your love for control here and now and get this done with.


"I hope people who support [terrible person] are too lazy to vote and stay home" is not the same as saying that their right to vote should be taken away. It's not authoritarian to root for an outcome to an election just like it's not cheating to hope the sports team you're up against partied too hard and is too hungover to play.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:31 am

Page wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
In other words, you want everybody to vote...unless they have a different political opinion to yours.

Basically, you start falling into the hole of authoritarianism.

You might as well just admit your love for control here and now and get this done with.


"I hope people who support [terrible person] are too lazy to vote and stay home" is not the same as saying that their right to vote should be taken away. It's not authoritarian to root for an outcome to an election just like it's not cheating to hope the sports team you're up against partied too hard and is too hungover to play.


He did not state that he hoped his opponent's voters would stay home or be too lazy to vote, he outright implied that voters should have their voting rights revoked if they vote for radical candidates.

This was certainly not a misunderstanding.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:40 am

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Freezic Vast wrote:So do you unless they benefit you and your side.

No I don't. I think every citizen over the age of 18 unless incarcerated should have a unimpeded right to vote.

>Unless incarcerated
Lol, even I support freer and fairer elections than you.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:41 am

San Lumen wrote:
Haselandt wrote:It will be much better if the Republicans get ahead in the midterm elections. Democrats are not good for America anymore, they're pushing too far left.

I care about having a planet for children to inherit

But you don't care for children though.
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When it comes to electing monsters like Bolsonaro no.

This is proving their point.
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Postby Post War America » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:56 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I care about having a planet for children to inherit

But you don't care for children though.
San Lumen wrote:When it comes to electing monsters like Bolsonaro no.

This is proving their point.


To be perfectly fair to SL, I think they have some right to want to prevent Bolsinaro getting into power, given that he at best represents the status quo for homosexuals, which is to say beatings and murders, and at worst favors rolling back the few de jure protections they have in Brazil. Wanting to use any means necessary to keep people who want to kill you from power may be less than ideal but methinks it can be justifiable in some sense.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:41 am

Haselandt wrote:It will be much better if the Republicans get ahead in the midterm elections. Democrats are not good for America anymore, they're pushing too far left.

Counterpoint: they haven't pushed far left enough >:3
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Postby Post War America » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:43 am

Liriena wrote:
Haselandt wrote:It will be much better if the Republicans get ahead in the midterm elections. Democrats are not good for America anymore, they're pushing too far left.

Counterpoint: they haven't pushed far left enough >:3


Nonsense, we need to maintain the lasseiz faire capitalist economy otherwise businesses won't create jobs and we need to those jobs. If the poors can't afford healthcare,or uni, or rent that's because they haven't pulled themselves up by the bootstraps hard enough.
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Postby Northeast American Federation » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:44 am

Liriena wrote:
Haselandt wrote:It will be much better if the Republicans get ahead in the midterm elections. Democrats are not good for America anymore, they're pushing too far left.

Counterpoint: they haven't pushed far left enough >:3

Of course not, they need to start throwing all the right wingers into gulags and forcefully taking over industry. You know, for progress. That's worked out so great elsewhere.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:45 am

Post War America wrote:
Liriena wrote:Counterpoint: they haven't pushed far left enough >:3


Nonsense, we need to maintain the lasseiz faire capitalist economy otherwise businesses won't create jobs and we need to those jobs. If the poors can't afford healthcare,or uni, or rent that's because they haven't pulled themselves up by the bootstraps hard enough.

Also, medicare for all will turn you into vuvuzela
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:45 am

Northeast American Federation wrote:
Liriena wrote:Counterpoint: they haven't pushed far left enough >:3

Of course not, they need to start throwing all the right wingers into gulags and forcefully taking over industry. You know, for progress. That's worked out so great elsewhere.


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Postby Liriena » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:46 am

Northeast American Federation wrote:
Liriena wrote:Counterpoint: they haven't pushed far left enough >:3

Of course not, they need to start throwing all the right wingers into gulags and forcefully taking over industry. You know, for progress. That's worked out so great elsewhere.

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Postby Northeast American Federation » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:47 am

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Northeast American Federation wrote:Of course not, they need to start throwing all the right wingers into gulags and forcefully taking over industry. You know, for progress. That's worked out so great elsewhere.

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Why wait? Venezuela and Cuba are probably nice this time of year.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:49 am

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Haselandt wrote:It will be much better if the Republicans get ahead in the midterm elections. Democrats are not good for America anymore, they're pushing too far left.

Counterpoint: they haven't pushed far left enough >:3

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Postby Post War America » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:49 am

Liriena wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Nonsense, we need to maintain the lasseiz faire capitalist economy otherwise businesses won't create jobs and we need to those jobs. If the poors can't afford healthcare,or uni, or rent that's because they haven't pulled themselves up by the bootstraps hard enough.

Also, medicare for all will turn you into vuvuzela


Of course, because Venuzuela's problems aren't at all related to being almost entirely reliant on oil, and are all a product of the evil "socialist" economy that is 70% controlled by private owners.

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Liriena wrote:Counterpoint: they haven't pushed far left enough >:3

Of course not, they need to start throwing all the right wingers into gulags and forcefully taking over industry. You know, for progress. That's worked out so great elsewhere.


Kinda like how Pinochet dropped labor organizers out of helicopters and seized businesses to redistribute to his friends, or Suharto sent death squads to murder leftists in the streets and seized businesses to give to his friends, or how a succession of Guatemalan dictators sent death squads to murder leftists and anyone associated with them, and hand over Guatamalan farms and businesses to American corporations to bleed dry. Because that worked so great elsewhere.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:55 am

Northeast American Federation wrote:
Liriena wrote:Don't threaten me with a good time

Why wait? Venezuela and Cuba are probably nice this time of year.

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Postby Corrian » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:00 am

Post War America wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:But you don't care for children though.

This is proving their point.


To be perfectly fair to SL, I think they have some right to want to prevent Bolsinaro getting into power, given that he at best represents the status quo for homosexuals, which is to say beatings and murders, and at worst favors rolling back the few de jure protections they have in Brazil. Wanting to use any means necessary to keep people who want to kill you from power may be less than ideal but methinks it can be justifiable in some sense.

I dunno what's with peoples response to mass corruption and a unstable country is to just elect the most godawful, scary alternative as a "Solution". Humans are hopeless.
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Postby Post War America » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:05 am

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Post War America wrote:
To be perfectly fair to SL, I think they have some right to want to prevent Bolsinaro getting into power, given that he at best represents the status quo for homosexuals, which is to say beatings and murders, and at worst favors rolling back the few de jure protections they have in Brazil. Wanting to use any means necessary to keep people who want to kill you from power may be less than ideal but methinks it can be justifiable in some sense.

I dunno what's with peoples response to mass corruption and a unstable country is to just elect the most godawful, scary alternative as a "Solution". Humans are hopeless.


Methinks people everywhere are fed up with the neoliberal world order and will support anyone who challenges it. Unfortunately it would appear that in many nations there is no populist left, and as a result its a choice between the populist right (which quite frankly is usually the same nonsense the tories have been giving you, but with more xenophobia), and a centrist left which doesn't threaten the status quo, and generally attacks leftist criticisms of the status quo at least as much as right wing ones. That being said, once many working class peoples realize that the right populists have nothing to offer but more of the same once the other has been removed I doubt they're going to stick with the populist right. Ironically, I believe genuine fascists would probably have greater staying power than neocon but with xenophobia as they have something more to offer, even if what they offer is absolutely horrifying.
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