US Midterm Election Megathread II: The Stretch Run Begins

[San Lumen]

I never said I did.

Well that’s what decided the 1876 election.

In a very unfair manner. They didnt follow the proper procedure. A biased committee created by Congress awarded the disputed votes to Hayes. The proper way would have been to invalidate their votes and throw the election into Congress like in 1800 or 1824.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

"If you don't like politicians then become a politician yourself" is also a cop-out answer.

Clearly the best way to solve the problem with politics is to be a nihilist hipster and wash your hands of it.

I don't think that's what they are saying either.

I mean, I hate both the Democrats and Republicans, and have been very vocal about both parties sucking (which has gotten me the derision of both sides in this site, something I didn't think I'd accomplish), but that doesn't mean I "wash my hands" off of going out and vote or voicing my opinion and trying to convince other people that we need to change the status quo.

Just because we think the current crop of politicians suck doesn't mean we are staying out of politics,

[Valgora]

To be fair, the government and our day-to-day livelihood as it stands "can function" without either.

If right now we magically made every person in office disappear in any given state it'd take around a year or so before things start breaking down in society.

One position doesn't really affect government functions all that much.

Go ask people from Somalia how well it turned out.

You really should do some actual research about anarchism before saying stupid shit like "Go ask people from Somalia...". I'm hoping this is out of ignorance, not stupidity.

So I recommend at least reading Wikipedia. But there's also the Anarchist Library.

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Well that’s what decided the 1876 election.

In a very unfair manner. They didnt follow the proper procedure. A biased committee created by Congress awarded the disputed votes to Hayes. The proper way would have been to invalidate their votes and throw the election into Congress like in 1800 or 1824.

Not to mention a biased Supreme Court in 2000 which let the Governor of Florida crown his brother President by throwing away thousands of votes.

[San Lumen]

In a very unfair manner. They didnt follow the proper procedure. A biased committee created by Congress awarded the disputed votes to Hayes. The proper way would have been to invalidate their votes and throw the election into Congress like in 1800 or 1824.

Not to mention a biased Supreme Court in 2000 which let the Governor of Florida crown his brother President by throwing away thousands of votes.

That was a absolute travesty.

[San Lumen]

No it isn't

And here's the correct take: yes it is

And what changes by not voting or running yourself?

[Thermodolia]

Well that’s what decided the 1876 election.

In a very unfair manner. They didnt follow the proper procedure. A biased committee created by Congress awarded the disputed votes to Hayes. The proper way would have been to invalidate their votes and throw the election into Congress like in 1800 or 1824.

And you wonder why people don’t like politicians, the parties, and the system

[San Lumen]

In a very unfair manner. They didnt follow the proper procedure. A biased committee created by Congress awarded the disputed votes to Hayes. The proper way would have been to invalidate their votes and throw the election into Congress like in 1800 or 1824.

And you wonder why people don’t like politicians, the parties, and the system

And what changes if you don't vote or run for office yourself if you hate everyone? How do you expect it to change?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And here's the correct take: yes it is

And what changes by not voting or running yourself?

Nothing, it changes nothing.

However, you can voice your opinion as a non-voter with a reason not to vote for either party.

That's not done out of "hipster nihilism" as some like to claim around here. It is done in part because of protest for whichever reason.

Usually being consistent carries more weight than being inconsistent. If you think the current system sucks why are you going to participate in it? And if you participate in it because you believe in the system's fundamentals, why is it so bad that while one supports the system one also makes the claim the current system needs reform because it's a shitshow?

[Thermodolia]

And here's the correct take: yes it is

And what changes by not voting or running yourself?

He’s not saying he’s going to not vote just the opposite actually. However he doesn’t like the democrats or republicans. I can’t say that I blame him.

If I had my way we would be electing our representatives by Party-list proportional representation and electing the senators by STV with the president being elected by a two round system

[San Lumen]

And what changes by not voting or running yourself?

Nothing, it changes nothing.

However, you can voice your opinion as a non-voter with a reason not to vote for either party.

That's not done out of "hipster nihilism" as some like to claim around here. It is done in part because of protest for whichever reason.

Usually being consistent carries more weight than being inconsistent. If you think the current system sucks why are you going to participate in it? And if you participate in it because you believe in the system's fundamentals, why is it so bad that while one supports the system one also makes the claim the current system needs reform because it's a shitshow?

President Trump and the current GOP majority in Congress thanks you for not voting.

[San Lumen]

And what changes by not voting or running yourself?

He’s not saying he’s going to not vote just the opposite actually. However he doesn’t like the democrats or republicans. I can’t say that I blame him.

If I had my way we would be electing our representatives by Party-list proportional representation and electing the senators by STV with the president being elected by a two round system

and in a state like Nevada as was explained in a previous thread started by me Clark County would decide the legislature every time.

[Thermodolia]

And you wonder why people don’t like politicians, the parties, and the system

And what changes if you don't vote or run for office yourself if you hate everyone? How do you expect it to change?

For the last goddamn time nobody is saying that they won’t vote. They just won’t vote for the people you like or the republicans

[San Lumen]

And what changes if you don't vote or run for office yourself if you hate everyone? How do you expect it to change?

For the last goddamn time nobody is saying that they won’t vote. They just won’t vote for the people you like or the republicans

Who are you voting for then? A third party who has no chance of winning?

[Washington Resistance Army]

For the last goddamn time nobody is saying that they won’t vote. They just won’t vote for the people you like or the republicans

Who are you voting for then? A third party who has no chance of winning?

Be the change you want to see and all that.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Nothing, it changes nothing.

However, you can voice your opinion as a non-voter with a reason not to vote for either party.

That's not done out of "hipster nihilism" as some like to claim around here. It is done in part because of protest for whichever reason.

Usually being consistent carries more weight than being inconsistent. If you think the current system sucks why are you going to participate in it? And if you participate in it because you believe in the system's fundamentals, why is it so bad that while one supports the system one also makes the claim the current system needs reform because it's a shitshow?

President Trump and the current GOP majority in Congress thanks you for not voting.

I already voted. Your argument is irrelevant, and it is a presumption of something you don't know, and it just made you look ignorant.

I suggest the next time you ask before making assumptions.

[San Lumen]

Who are you voting for then? A third party who has no chance of winning?

Be the change you want to see and all that.

President Trump thanks you for voting Jill Stein or Gary Johnson.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Be the change you want to see and all that.

President Trump thanks you for voting Jill Stein or Gary Johnson.

He's very welcome.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

"If you don't like politicians then become a politician yourself" is also a cop-out answer. You're trying to use it as a cudgel with which to beat down any discussion of an alternative.

Because he’s worried that his side won’t be in power anymore because they are shit

Personally, I believe that anything left of moderate socialism (or center-left) is largely worthless.

Also, the various progressive people's rights movements (feminist, LGBT, etc...) have both lost their shine and become SJW sludge.

Just my opinion, though. If only there was such a thing as a compromise-based centrist party.

[San Lumen]

Because he’s worried that his side won’t be in power anymore because they are shit

Personally, I believe that anything left of moderate socialism (or center-left) is largely worthless.

Also, the various progressive people's rights movements (feminist, LGBT, etc...) have both lost their shine and become SJW sludge.

Just my opinion, though. If only there was such a thing as a compromise-based centrist party.

The Republicans have successfully purged all the moderates from their party. The few moderate republicans I know are voting straight democratic this year.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Be the change you want to see and all that.

President Trump thanks you for voting Jill Stein or Gary Johnson.

Well that's the rub ain't it?

That you like to tout Democracy as long as people do what you want them to do.

You ain't no different than the people you pretend to deride. You're just nominally not worse, but that doesn't make your decision to vote in a partisan manner better.

[Valgora]

For the last goddamn time nobody is saying that they won’t vote. They just won’t vote for the people you like or the republicans

Who are you voting for then? A third party who has no chance of winning?

I'm leaving every thing blank except for the Rep. to the House in my district, the Attorney General, and the ballot measures.

And in both, I'm voting for the Libertarian candidate.

[Thermodolia]

He’s not saying he’s going to not vote just the opposite actually. However he doesn’t like the democrats or republicans. I can’t say that I blame him.

If I had my way we would be electing our representatives by Party-list proportional representation and electing the senators by STV with the president being elected by a two round system

and in a state like Nevada as was explained in a previous thread started by me Clark County would decide the legislature every time.

You don’t understand how Party-list proportional representation voting works do you?

Let’s say you have 100 seats. 38% of the people vote republican, 30% vote democrat, 2% vote constitution, 15% vote libertarian, 10% vote green, and 5% vote for the DSA.

You would then have 38 seats to the Republicans, 30 to the democrats, 2 to the constitution, 15 to the libertarians, 10 to the greens, and 5 to the DSA.

You need to have 51 seats to have a Majority. Which means that the Republicans, Libertarians, and constitution parties could form a coalition to reach 55 seats

[San Lumen]

President Trump thanks you for voting Jill Stein or Gary Johnson.

Well that's the rub ain't it?

That you like to tout Democracy as long as people do what you want them to do.

You ain't no different than the people you pretend to deride. You're just nominally not worse, but that doesn't make your decision to vote in a partisan manner better.

Maybe because the Democratic party aligns with my values.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Personally, I believe that anything left of moderate socialism (or center-left) is largely worthless.

Also, the various progressive people's rights movements (feminist, LGBT, etc...) have both lost their shine and become SJW sludge.

Just my opinion, though. If only there was such a thing as a compromise-based centrist party.

The Republicans have successfully purged all the moderates from their party. The few moderate republicans I know are voting straight democratic this year.

You conveniently forgot that the #WalkAway movement is also sucking the moderate Democrat base slowly but steadily, so whatever advantage you even had is nullified by the exact same Republican counter.