US Midterm Election Megathread II: The Stretch Run Begins

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

They'll probably gain a seat or keep their current majority. I'm calling the House for the dems, tho.

Well the democrats here in Georgia thought it was a great idea to run a anti-gun activist in a very red and very pro gun district.

Internal polling for the democrat has the democrat losing by 4. And this was one of the districts they wanted to flip

Only trailing for points for an anti-gun candidate in Georgia?

[The South Falls]

Well the democrats here in Georgia thought it was a great idea to run a anti-gun activist in a very red and very pro gun district.

Internal polling for the democrat has the democrat losing by 4. And this was one of the districts they wanted to flip

Only trailing for points for an anti-gun candidate in Georgia?

But, Kemp, as sec. of state is doing everything to disenfranchise his opponents.

[Thermodolia]

Well the democrats here in Georgia thought it was a great idea to run a anti-gun activist in a very red and very pro gun district.

Internal polling for the democrat has the democrat losing by 4. And this was one of the districts they wanted to flip

Only trailing for points for an anti-gun candidate in Georgia?

Considering that it was a close district the last go around I’m not surprised. A good chunk is most likely voting by party name and not policy

[Thermodolia]

What concentration camps? You have proof of this or are you one of those silly “FEMA camps are concentration camps” people.

Those tent cities where children are being held without charge? Yeah, those are concentration camps.

Detention centers aren’t concentration camps.

[Ifreann]

Those tent cities where children are being held without charge? Yeah, those are concentration camps.

Detention centers aren’t concentration camps.

Concentration camps are places where people are imprisoned without charge or intent to charge. So yes, they are concentration camps.

[Pantoufle]

Those tent cities where children are being held without charge? Yeah, those are concentration camps.

Detention centers aren’t concentration camps.

Bingo! Seriously, people are going to believe what they're gonna believe usually no matter how hard you try to explain that is not the case. Usually they just seem to get into semantics and feelings rather than actually looking at what you provided.

Concentration camps typically exterminate a group of people or enact forced labor. Detention Centers are none of those two, the children are being held there separately because the familial or legal ties can't always be established when people come here illegally. From my understanding, they are held separately until legal guardianship or parenthood can be verified. Because we don't want to send a child who's been kidnapped back with potential human traffickers.
They involuntarily committed a crime with their parents but they aren't responsible for it because their parents likely forced them to come with.

[Ifreann]

Detention centers aren’t concentration camps.

Bingo! Seriously, people are going to believe what they're gonna believe usually no matter how hard you try to explain that is not the case. Usually they just seem to get into semantics and feelings rather than actually looking at what you provided.

Concentration camps typically exterminate a group of people or enact forced labor. Detention Centers are none of those two,

Concentration camps are not actually synonymous with death camps or labour camps.

the children are being held there separately because the familial or legal ties can't always be established when people come here illegally. From my understanding, they are held separately until legal guardianship or parenthood can be verified. Because we don't want to send a child who's been kidnapped back with potential human traffickers.

They're being held in camps and given to American foster parents and being lost in the mists of bureaucracy because the Trump administration wants to deter illegal immigration by brown people.

They involuntarily committed a crime with their parents but they aren't responsible for it because their parents likely forced them to come with.

Which is irrelevant since they aren't being charged and won't be getting trials.

[Vassenor]

Detention centers aren’t concentration camps.

Bingo! Seriously, people are going to believe what they're gonna believe usually no matter how hard you try to explain that is not the case. Usually they just seem to get into semantics and feelings rather than actually looking at what you provided.

Concentration camps typically exterminate a group of people or enact forced labor. Detention Centers are none of those two, the children are being held there separately because the familial or legal ties can't always be established when people come here illegally. From my understanding, they are held separately until legal guardianship or parenthood can be verified. Because we don't want to send a child who's been kidnapped back with potential human traffickers.
They involuntarily committed a crime with their parents but they aren't responsible for it because their parents likely forced them to come with.

The American Heritage Dictionary defines the term concentration camp as: "A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group the government has identified as dangerous or undesirable."

There is a difference between Concentration Camps and Extermination Camps.

[The Tomerlands]

Its not absolute

So your saying that the 14th needs to be followed absolutely, but not the 2nd? So your in favor of taking guns away from law abiding citizens then, thus breaking the constitutional right of the 2nd, just like they've done in California with anti-gun legislation. Just admit it already.

How has California broke the Second Amendment? Gun control isn't unconstitutional at all.

[Vassenor]

So your saying that the 14th needs to be followed absolutely, but not the 2nd? So your in favor of taking guns away from law abiding citizens then, thus breaking the constitutional right of the 2nd, just like they've done in California with anti-gun legislation. Just admit it already.

How has California broke the Second Amendment? Gun control isn't unconstitutional at all.

You're not supposed to talk about the "Well Regulated Militia" bit.

[Olerand]

Well, though America's particular brand of migrant camps are unique; the principle of migrant camps aren't really rare in the developed world, and not entirely controversial outside of the far-left (and American "left", which on societal and cultural issues leans far-left).

[Pantoufle]

Bingo! Seriously, people are going to believe what they're gonna believe usually no matter how hard you try to explain that is not the case. Usually they just seem to get into semantics and feelings rather than actually looking at what you provided.

Concentration camps typically exterminate a group of people or enact forced labor. Detention Centers are none of those two, the children are being held there separately because the familial or legal ties can't always be established when people come here illegally. From my understanding, they are held separately until legal guardianship or parenthood can be verified. Because we don't want to send a child who's been kidnapped back with potential human traffickers.
They involuntarily committed a crime with their parents but they aren't responsible for it because their parents likely forced them to come with.

The American Heritage Dictionary defines the term concentration camp as: "A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group the government has identified as dangerous or undesirable."

There is a difference between Concentration Camps and Extermination Camps.

Their parents came here illegally, they are a victim of their parents crime. What else are we to do with them? It'd be ideal if people wouldn't bring children with to enter a country illegally. If they were American citizens I would see the argument being made for calling the detention centers a concentration or internment camp. The children aren't a threat or undesirable. The people that brought them with are criminals because they came here illegally, while expensive would you rather there be state ran, federally funded orphanages to care for the children instead? It'd be essentially the same thing.

I should also mention that when an american parent commits a crime they are also separated from their children but usually they have family here that can look after them.

[Valrifell]

Well, though America's particular brand of migrant camps are unique; the principle of migrant camps aren't really rare in the developed world, and not entirely controversial outside of the far-left (and American left, which on societal and cultural issues leans far-left).

Thank you for the global input on a decidedly American political thread.

[Petrasylvania]

How has California broke the Second Amendment? Gun control isn't unconstitutional at all.

You're not supposed to talk about the "Well Regulated Militia" bit.

"I'm a Militia Too!"

[Olerand]

Well, though America's particular brand of migrant camps are unique; the principle of migrant camps aren't really rare in the developed world, and not entirely controversial outside of the far-left (and American left, which on societal and cultural issues leans far-left).

Thank you for the global input on a decidedly American political thread.

Other than arguing about if migrant camps are concentration camps or denying that they are, what exactly is this discussion supposed to bring about?

I don't find any reason to partake in hyper-partisan American navel-gazing, and I do find some importance in reminding Americans, who are often of an unbelievably provincial outlook, that the wider world exists, and that some things are acceptable there, and some things aren't.

[Vassenor]

There is a difference between Concentration Camps and Extermination Camps.

Their parents came here illegally, they are a victim of their parents crime. What else are we to do with them? It'd be ideal if people wouldn't bring children with to enter a country illegally. If they were American citizens I would see the argument being made for calling the detention centers a concentration or internment camp. The children aren't a threat or undesirable. The people that brought them with are criminals because they came here illegally, while expensive would you rather there be state ran, federally funded orphanages to care for the children instead? It'd be essentially the same thing.

I should also mention that when an american parent commits a crime they are also separated from their children but usually they have family here that can look after them.

And your reaction to the kids being duped into signing papers putting them up for adoption regardless of parental consent?

And when were any of these people found guilty of a crime in a court of law? Since the parents in your counter example have been.

[Valrifell]

Thank you for the global input on a decidedly American political thread.

Other than arguing about if migrant camps are concentration camps or denying that they are, what exactly is this discussion supposed to bring about?

I don't find any reason to partake in hyper-partisan American navel-gazing, and I do find some importance in reminding Americans, who are often of an unbelievably provincial outlook, that the wider world exists, and that some things are acceptable there, and some things aren't.

"The rest of the world does it" =/= "this is good"

I'm aware of the larger global context, it isn't all that relevant to an American political thread and American political issues. You simultaneously mock American exceptionalism yet frequently point out how situations in the US are, per your words, "unique"

Your observations regarding the wider global scene are not particularly relevant or helpful in an American political thread, if you don't want to argue in the American context then don't participate in an American thread.

[Olerand]

Other than arguing about if migrant camps are concentration camps or denying that they are, what exactly is this discussion supposed to bring about?

I don't find any reason to partake in hyper-partisan American navel-gazing, and I do find some importance in reminding Americans, who are often of an unbelievably provincial outlook, that the wider world exists, and that some things are acceptable there, and some things aren't.

"The rest of the world does it" =/= "this is good"

I'm aware of the larger global context, it isn't all that relevant to an American political thread and American political issues. You simultaneously mock American exceptionalism yet frequently point out how situations in the US are, per your words, "unique"

Your observations regarding the wider global scene are not particularly relevant or helpful in an American political thread, if you don't want to argue in the American context then don't participate in an American thread.

Again, I wish, sincerely, that this forum had at least one other exclusively non-American thread. There is the UK thread but after that...

And again, I find some importance in reinforcing the idea that migrant camps are not, in themselves, controversial, which isn't to mean that they are good, but simply that it is common practice.

As the discussion revolved around if America had concentration camps or not, clarifying that other developed countries have migrant camps is important to the discussion, is it not?

[Pantoufle]

Their parents came here illegally, they are a victim of their parents crime. What else are we to do with them? It'd be ideal if people wouldn't bring children with to enter a country illegally. If they were American citizens I would see the argument being made for calling the detention centers a concentration or internment camp. The children aren't a threat or undesirable. The people that brought them with are criminals because they came here illegally, while expensive would you rather there be state ran, federally funded orphanages to care for the children instead? It'd be essentially the same thing.

I should also mention that when an american parent commits a crime they are also separated from their children but usually they have family here that can look after them.

And your reaction to the kids being duped into signing papers putting them up for adoption regardless of parental consent?

And when were any of these people found guilty of a crime in a court of law? Since the parents in your counter example have been.

Uhhh for the reason they're being detained? They came here illegally, that is a crime. They are being held to be tried for the crime. It's like being arrested.

[Vassenor]

And your reaction to the kids being duped into signing papers putting them up for adoption regardless of parental consent?

And when were any of these people found guilty of a crime in a court of law? Since the parents in your counter example have been.

Uhhh for the reason they're being detained? They came here illegally, that is a crime. They are being held to be tried for the crime. It's like being arrested.

And as for my first point?

[Petrasylvania]

And your reaction to the kids being duped into signing papers putting them up for adoption regardless of parental consent?

And when were any of these people found guilty of a crime in a court of law? Since the parents in your counter example have been.

Uhhh for the reason they're being detained? They came here illegally, that is a crime. They are being held to be tried for the crime. It's like being arrested.

It also happens to families playing by the rules and going to Ports of Entry to file for asylum.

[Pantoufle]

Uhhh for the reason they're being detained? They came here illegally, that is a crime. They are being held to be tried for the crime. It's like being arrested.

And as for my first point?

Im not aware of what you claim in your first point from what I've researched

[Mystic Warriors]

Uhhh for the reason they're being detained? They came here illegally, that is a crime. They are being held to be tried for the crime. It's like being arrested.

It also happens to families playing by the rules and going to Ports of Entry to file for asylum.

It also happens to families already here

[Northern Davincia]

How has California broke the Second Amendment? Gun control isn't unconstitutional at all.

You're not supposed to talk about the "Well Regulated Militia" bit.

The Supreme Court has already dismissed that argument.

[Loben]

You're not supposed to talk about the "Well Regulated Militia" bit.

The Supreme Court has already dismissed that argument.

if the supreme court managed to declare the NFA unconstitutional, Europeans would STILL moan about the "well regulated" Part.

We as americans should not have to justify our constitution to fucking euros of all fucking people.