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Postby Mystic Warriors » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:43 pm

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I'm not fully aware of Ellison, what is going on there?

His ex-girlfriend accused him of domestic abuse.


What evidence? She could be lying.
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Postby Albrenia » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:43 pm

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I'm not fully aware of Ellison, what is going on there?

His ex-girlfriend accused him of domestic abuse.


One would hope such accusations are being investigated.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:00 pm

Reading the twitter response to the O'Rourke Cruz debate has been pretty one sided for O'Rourke, but this completely unscientific and not really reliable indicator hurts the mostest:
https://twitter.com/FOX4/status/1043289002432856064 Fox affiliate asks to retweet if you think Cruz won, favorite if O'Rourke won. Take a moment to bask in the borderline genius of how to bias that poll...but then, as of me writing this 784 retweets and 4.9k favorites. A twitter poll of this nature means nothing ultimately but daaaaamn.

From the hashtag #txsenatedebate, itself a not great way to gauge things, this was a lopsided pounding. Highlights seem to be:
  • O'Rourke asking what job you can miss half of and still expect to get hired back referring to Cruz missing half the votes.
  • O'Rourke talking about a DUI he got and the second chance he also got that black people tend not to while Cruz talked about police funerals.
  • Another slam on Cruz with Beto mentioning that he's been to all 254 counties in Texas while Cruz has been to all 99 in Iowa.
  • When asked to say something nice, Beto complimented Cruz's family, Cruz essentially used it to call Beto an honest socialist and then talked about himself. Beto responded dryly apparently 'True to form'. That's the biggest one.

This is ONLY by looking at ONE twitter hashtag. From that very, very narrow window...daaaaaaaaamn.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:39 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Voting for someone who cant win and allow the Republican to slip through with a plurality? No thanks

You henceforth lose all right to complain about corruption. Even I am willing to vote Democrat or third party when I've had it with my own side.


Well forgive me and many others for not voting for someone who I completely disagree with politically.

and the third party candidates espouse crazy ideas such as the Libertarian whom i see touted on facebook frequently. He has said that funding for public transit from the state should but cut completely. If you did that for Metro North and LIRR which are already ridiculously expensive would have to pass the cost unto riders and the fares would so exorbitant no one but the rich would be able to afford it and they would go bankrupt.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:You henceforth lose all right to complain about corruption. Even I am willing to vote Democrat or third party when I've had it with my own side.


Well forgive me and many others for not voting for someone who I completely disagree with politically.

and the third party candidates espouse crazy ideas such as the Libertarian whom i see touted on facebook frequently. He has said that funding for public transit from the state should but cut completely. If you did that for Metro North and LIRR which are already ridiculously expensive would have to pass the cost unto riders and the fares would so exorbitant no one but the rich would be able to afford it and they would go bankrupt.

This isn't about political disagreements. You are abetting corruption, and your justification for it is laughable.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:51 pm

Is the Republican Party full of crazy people?
https://nypost.com/2018/09/18/gop-congr ... %20buttons

New York Republican Congresswoman Claudia Tenney whose district in central New York includes Binghamton and Utica "is warning staffers their safety is at risk because the family of her Democratic opponent, Anthony Brindisi, is “criminal” and “thuggish.”
She has also suggested his family has mafia connections.

In other words she is making blatant stereotypes about Italian-Americans. I hope she loses in November

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:53 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Well forgive me and many others for not voting for someone who I completely disagree with politically.

and the third party candidates espouse crazy ideas such as the Libertarian whom i see touted on facebook frequently. He has said that funding for public transit from the state should but cut completely. If you did that for Metro North and LIRR which are already ridiculously expensive would have to pass the cost unto riders and the fares would so exorbitant no one but the rich would be able to afford it and they would go bankrupt.

This isn't about political disagreements. You are abetting corruption, and your justification for it is laughable.


And what evidence is there Cuomo is corrupt? Because he might be I and thousands of others should toss him out of Albany without a investigation?

and you didn't address the crazy idea of the Libertarian candidate or do you agree with it and collapsing the economy?

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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:Is the Republican Party full of crazy people?
https://nypost.com/2018/09/18/gop-congr ... %20buttons

New York Republican Congresswoman Claudia Tenney whose district in central New York includes Binghamton and Utica "is warning staffers their safety is at risk because the family of her Democratic opponent, Anthony Brindisi, is “criminal” and “thuggish.”
She has also suggested his family has mafia connections.

In other words she is making blatant stereotypes about Italian-Americans. I hope she loses in November

Full of crazy people? No.
San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:This isn't about political disagreements. You are abetting corruption, and your justification for it is laughable.


And what evidence is there Cuomo is corrupt? Because he might be I and thousands of others should toss him out of Albany without a investigation?

and you didn't address the crazy idea of the Libertarian candidate or do you agree with it and collapsing the economy?

The numerous arrests and convictions of Cuomo's staff should be a good indication; either he's corrupt or abnormally stupid. He deserves to lose. Stephanie Miner was mentioned earlier and her platform is sane.
However, our state's economy is shot already. Watching NYC take the fall for once would only give me a sense of schadenfreude.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:06 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Is the Republican Party full of crazy people?
https://nypost.com/2018/09/18/gop-congr ... %20buttons

New York Republican Congresswoman Claudia Tenney whose district in central New York includes Binghamton and Utica "is warning staffers their safety is at risk because the family of her Democratic opponent, Anthony Brindisi, is “criminal” and “thuggish.”
She has also suggested his family has mafia connections.

In other words she is making blatant stereotypes about Italian-Americans. I hope she loses in November

Full of crazy people? No.
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And what evidence is there Cuomo is corrupt? Because he might be I and thousands of others should toss him out of Albany without a investigation?

and you didn't address the crazy idea of the Libertarian candidate or do you agree with it and collapsing the economy?

The numerous arrests and convictions of Cuomo's staff should be a good indication; either he's corrupt or abnormally stupid. He deserves to lose. Stephanie Miller was mentioned earlier and her platform is sane.
However, our state's economy is shot already. Watching NYC take the fall for once would only give me a sense of schadenfreude.


I retract my statement. Its not full of them but it certainly attracts them. And maybe he deserves to lose to you but its likely a majority if the state disagrees with you. There is also no indication he did anything wrong.

And how would raising fares on the LIRR and Metro North to a unaffordable rate causing the economy of the three largest counties outside of NYC to crash be a good thing?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Full of crazy people? No.

The numerous arrests and convictions of Cuomo's staff should be a good indication; either he's corrupt or abnormally stupid. He deserves to lose. Stephanie Miller was mentioned earlier and her platform is sane.
However, our state's economy is shot already. Watching NYC take the fall for once would only give me a sense of schadenfreude.


I retract my statement. Its not full of them but it certainly attracts them. And maybe he deserves to lose to you but its likely a majority if the state disagrees with you.

And how would raising fares on the LIRR and Metro North to a unaffordable rate causing the economy of the three largest counties outside of NYC to crash be a good thing?

What the majority thinks is nothing. Either we hold Albany accountable or allow corruption to continue, but we shouldn't keep our eyes closed on the matter. Deflecting with Larry Sharpe's agenda is nonsense.
New York has lost one million people in ten years. Taxes are astronomical and waste is abundant. Whatever Cuomo is doing, it's not helping anyone outside your little corner of the world.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:12 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I retract my statement. Its not full of them but it certainly attracts them. And maybe he deserves to lose to you but its likely a majority if the state disagrees with you.

And how would raising fares on the LIRR and Metro North to a unaffordable rate causing the economy of the three largest counties outside of NYC to crash be a good thing?

What the majority thinks is nothing. Either we hold Albany accountable or allow corruption to continue, but we shouldn't keep our eyes closed on the matter. Deflecting with Larry Sharpe's agenda is nonsense.
New York has lost one million people in ten years. Taxes are astronomical and waste is abundant. Whatever Cuomo is doing, it's not helping anyone outside your little corner of the world.


And I disagree with everything Molianaro stands for and the third party candidates like Sharpe have insane ideas so I have no choice but to vote for Cuomo.

And again what has Cuomo done wrong? Do you have any actual evidence you'd like to share? Have you missed the indictments and convictions of several legislators?

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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:What the majority thinks is nothing. Either we hold Albany accountable or allow corruption to continue, but we shouldn't keep our eyes closed on the matter. Deflecting with Larry Sharpe's agenda is nonsense.
New York has lost one million people in ten years. Taxes are astronomical and waste is abundant. Whatever Cuomo is doing, it's not helping anyone outside your little corner of the world.


And I disagree with everything Molianaro stands for and the third party candidates like Sharpe have insane ideas so I have no choice but to vote for Cuomo.

And again what has Cuomo done wrong? Do you have any actual evidence you'd like to share? Have you missed the indictments and convictions of several legislators?

You are intentionally ignoring Stephanie Miner at this point, and Nixon is still on the ballot as far as I know. Molinaro and Sharpe aren't the only other options.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... 8f14724951
https://poststar.com/opinion/columnists ... 05563.html
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/39 ... orget-2020
Cuomo ended his own investigative corruption commission. Ever wonder why?

For the love of New York, stop putting ideology over everything else.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:40 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And I disagree with everything Molianaro stands for and the third party candidates like Sharpe have insane ideas so I have no choice but to vote for Cuomo.

And again what has Cuomo done wrong? Do you have any actual evidence you'd like to share? Have you missed the indictments and convictions of several legislators?

You are intentionally ignoring Stephanie Miner at this point, and Nixon is still on the ballot as far as I know. Molinaro and Sharpe aren't the only other options.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... 8f14724951
https://poststar.com/opinion/columnists ... 05563.html
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/39 ... orget-2020
Cuomo ended his own investigative corruption commission. Ever wonder why?

For the love of New York, stop putting ideology over everything else.


But Davincia, Lumen would never put party before country. :^)
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:43 pm

Telconi wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:You are intentionally ignoring Stephanie Miner at this point, and Nixon is still on the ballot as far as I know. Molinaro and Sharpe aren't the only other options.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... 8f14724951
https://poststar.com/opinion/columnists ... 05563.html
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/39 ... orget-2020
Cuomo ended his own investigative corruption commission. Ever wonder why?

For the love of New York, stop putting ideology over everything else.


But Davincia, Lumen would never put party before country. :^)

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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:48 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I retract my statement. Its not full of them but it certainly attracts them. And maybe he deserves to lose to you but its likely a majority if the state disagrees with you.

And how would raising fares on the LIRR and Metro North to a unaffordable rate causing the economy of the three largest counties outside of NYC to crash be a good thing?

What the majority thinks is nothing. Either we hold Albany accountable or allow corruption to continue, but we shouldn't keep our eyes closed on the matter. Deflecting with Larry Sharpe's agenda is nonsense.
New York has lost one million people in ten years. Taxes are astronomical and waste is abundant. Whatever Cuomo is doing, it's not helping anyone outside your little corner of the world.

He's a downstator… theres a reason the rest of NY's been wanting NYC to become its own state for the last 50 years.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:59 pm

United Kingdom of Poland wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:What the majority thinks is nothing. Either we hold Albany accountable or allow corruption to continue, but we shouldn't keep our eyes closed on the matter. Deflecting with Larry Sharpe's agenda is nonsense.
New York has lost one million people in ten years. Taxes are astronomical and waste is abundant. Whatever Cuomo is doing, it's not helping anyone outside your little corner of the world.

He's a downstator… theres a reason the rest of NY's been wanting NYC to become its own state for the last 50 years.

I would love that, in all honesty.
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Postby Intelist » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:05 pm

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He’s still relevant?

Apparently

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Postby Intelist » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:15 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
United Kingdom of Poland wrote:He's a downstator… theres a reason the rest of NY's been wanting NYC to become its own state for the last 50 years.

I would love that, in all honesty.

Nobody seems to realize that upstate is red.

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Postby Shrillland » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:35 pm

Intelist wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I would love that, in all honesty.

Nobody seems to realize that upstate is red.


Not completely, Buffalo and Albany are fairly blue. The rest though, yeah. We have this same resentment here between Chicagoland/Kaneland and Downstate.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:50 am

Intelist wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I would love that, in all honesty.

Nobody seems to realize that upstate is red.


Most know upstate NY is conservative. But they need to learn to deal with the fact other parts are not.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:23 am

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Intelist wrote:Nobody seems to realize that upstate is red.


Most know upstate NY is conservative. But they need to learn to deal with the fact other parts are not.


Upstate is the only really decent part of the state.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:10 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And I disagree with everything Molianaro stands for and the third party candidates like Sharpe have insane ideas so I have no choice but to vote for Cuomo.

And again what has Cuomo done wrong? Do you have any actual evidence you'd like to share? Have you missed the indictments and convictions of several legislators?

You are intentionally ignoring Stephanie Miner at this point, and Nixon is still on the ballot as far as I know. Molinaro and Sharpe aren't the only other options.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... 8f14724951
https://poststar.com/opinion/columnists ... 05563.html
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/39 ... orget-2020
Cuomo ended his own investigative corruption commission. Ever wonder why?

For the love of New York, stop putting ideology over everything else.


Nixon is likely not going to be on the ballot as she has said she does not want to be a spoiler. And Miner has almost no plan and zero chance of winning.

Once again do you have evidence you'd like to share with the feds? There is zero evidence Cuomo did anything wrong.

I cannot vote for a Republican at this point and dont want to vote for a spoiler candidate that allows the Republican to win with a plurality

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:21 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:
Most know upstate NY is conservative. But they need to learn to deal with the fact other parts are not.


Upstate is the only really decent part of the state.


New Yorkers can't even agree amongst themselves what counts as "upstate"
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Postby Telconi » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:24 am

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:You are intentionally ignoring Stephanie Miner at this point, and Nixon is still on the ballot as far as I know. Molinaro and Sharpe aren't the only other options.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... 8f14724951
https://poststar.com/opinion/columnists ... 05563.html
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/39 ... orget-2020
Cuomo ended his own investigative corruption commission. Ever wonder why?

For the love of New York, stop putting ideology over everything else.


Nixon is likely not going to be on the ballot as she has said she does not want to be a spoiler. And Miner has almost no plan and zero chance of winning.

Once again do you have evidence you'd like to share with the feds? There is zero evidence Cuomo did anything wrong.

I cannot vote for a Republican at this point and dont want to vote for a spoiler candidate that allows the Republican to win with a plurality


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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:24 am

Valrifell wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Upstate is the only really decent part of the state.


New Yorkers can't even agree amongst themselves what counts as "upstate"

And plus not all of it is red. In 2012 Obama won many counties upstate including many in the Finger Lakes.
https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/sta ... lect=0&f=0

Based on local elections from last year there seems to be serious case of buyers remorse in Upstate.
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