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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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But he''s your president, and therefore represents you.

Yeah, uh, destruction of the foundation of my way of life is a big fucking deal.


No he doesnt.

I didn't know guns are are a way of life and essential in your day to day. Are they going to pave your roads, fight wildfires, preserve endangered species, provide renewable energy, and countless other things?

Why do you have this fantasy that everyone is out to get you?

I guess your almost certain next governor shouldn't be able to pick who he wants for courts and executive position and should instead select people he disagrees with to appease people like you.


Hey, that's what *you* said. that's how elections work remember?

Well now you do. I'm also curious which of these being gay or Jewish acconplishes...

Why do you have this fantasy that Trump is out to get anyone?

My almost certain next governor should be spending the rest of his natural life in a cement box, but the world isn't fair is it?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:52 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Telconi wrote:
>Implying Dan Lumen likes democracy.

I mean, you guys show just as much disdain for democracy as you perceive San Lumen to.


Yeah but I admit it.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:53 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
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>Implying Dan Lumen likes democracy.

I mean, you guys show just as much disdain for democracy as you perceive San Lumen to.


For unlimited democracy? Absolutely, I have never stated I supported it.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:53 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:Soo when did Nation of Islam lynch someone or burn something in front of someone's house?


they shot up malcom x lol.

Since when did you suddenly care about Malcolm X?
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:55 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No he doesnt.

I didn't know guns are are a way of life and essential in your day to day. Are they going to pave your roads, fight wildfires, preserve endangered species, provide renewable energy, and countless other things?

Why do you have this fantasy that everyone is out to get you?

I guess your almost certain next governor shouldn't be able to pick who he wants for courts and executive position and should instead select people he disagrees with to appease people like you.


Hey, that's what *you* said. that's how elections work remember?

Well now you do. I'm also curious which of these being gay or Jewish acconplishes...

Why do you have this fantasy that Trump is out to get anyone?

My almost certain next governor should be spending the rest of his natural life in a cement box, but the world isn't fair is it?


That sounds like a threat towards Newsom in all honesty

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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Hey, that's what *you* said. that's how elections work remember?

Well now you do. I'm also curious which of these being gay or Jewish acconplishes...

Why do you have this fantasy that Trump is out to get anyone?

My almost certain next governor should be spending the rest of his natural life in a cement box, but the world isn't fair is it?


That sounds like a threat towards Newsom in all honesty


Does it now?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:58 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
That sounds like a threat towards Newsom in all honesty


Does it now?

Because it is.

And how would you rather have the election be held? The loser somehow becomes Governor because of a rigged system? Or the almost certain winner can't get anything done or pick the people he wants because of a hamstrung government?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Does it now?

Because it is.

And how would you rather have the election be held? The loser somehow becomes Governor because of a rigged system? Or the almost certain winner can't get anything done because of a hamstrung government?


Indeed.

Preferably there wouldn't be an election.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:03 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Because it is.

And how would you rather have the election be held? The loser somehow becomes Governor because of a rigged system? Or the almost certain winner can't get anything done because of a hamstrung government?


Indeed.

Preferably there wouldn't be an election.


And how would that be fair or democratic?

Therefore you'd rather have a dictatorship? And you accuse me of being anti democracy?

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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Indeed.

Preferably there wouldn't be an election.


And how would that be fair or democratic?

Therefore you'd rather have a dictatorship? And you accuse me of being anti democracy?


It would be fair because people like Newsom would be deprived of power. It wouldn't be Democratic at all.

-Shrug- Democracy is a privilege. If you're unfit to rule yourselves, you don't get it.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:08 pm

Telconi wrote:
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And how would that be fair or democratic?

Therefore you'd rather have a dictatorship? And you accuse me of being anti democracy?


It would be fair because people like Newsom would be deprived of power. It wouldn't be Democratic at all.

-Shrug- Democracy is a privilege. If you're unfit to rule yourselves, you don't get it.


How would it be fair? In other words only my viewpoints matter and should be imposed on everyone in perpetuity in a rigged unfair and undemocratic system.

How are people unfit to rule themselves because the majority of your state has the nerve to disagree with you?

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Postby Uxupox » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:09 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
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they shot up malcom x lol.

Since when did you suddenly care about Malcolm X?


idk because some of my family members subscribe to being black nationalists maybe?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:10 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Since when did you suddenly care about Malcolm X?


idk because some of my family members subscribe to being black nationalists maybe?

This is not relevant to the topic.

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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Maybe bc the Patriots beat embarrassed his Falcons in that Super Bowl.

Im fairly certain Therm is from Georgia.


Yes. Get it?

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Im fairly certain Therm is from Georgia.

I'm also fairly certain Jerzy was telling a joke.


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Postby Uxupox » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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idk because some of my family members subscribe to being black nationalists maybe?

This is not relevant to the topic.


Nation of Islam is always relevant to the political discourse they bring towards african-americans.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It would be fair because people like Newsom would be deprived of power. It wouldn't be Democratic at all.

-Shrug- Democracy is a privilege. If you're unfit to rule yourselves, you don't get it.


How would it be fair? In other words only my viewpoints matter and should be imposed on everyone in perpetuity in a rigged unfair and undemocratic system.

How are people unfit to rule themselves because the majority of your state has the nerve to disagree with you?


Well terrible people holding power is unfair, preventing this is generally a move towards fairness. You seem perfectly willing to impose your views on others.

Same way the Nazis weren't fit to rule because thy had the nerve to disagree with you.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:16 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
How would it be fair? In other words only my viewpoints matter and should be imposed on everyone in perpetuity in a rigged unfair and undemocratic system.

How are people unfit to rule themselves because the majority of your state has the nerve to disagree with you?


Well terrible people holding power is unfair, preventing this is generally a move towards fairness. You seem perfectly willing to impose your views on others.

Same way the Nazis weren't fit to rule because thy had the nerve to disagree with you.


Terrible to you but not to the majority of the populous. Why should a minority get to decide the leaders?

Newsom and Nazis are not even remotely similar.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well terrible people holding power is unfair, preventing this is generally a move towards fairness. You seem perfectly willing to impose your views on others.

Same way the Nazis weren't fit to rule because thy had the nerve to disagree with you.


Terrible to you but not to the majority of the populous. Why should a minority get to decide the leaders?

Newsom and Nazis are not even remotely similar.


Slavery wasn't terrible to the majority of the confederacy, Suppressing the Indian people wasn't terrible to the majority of the United Kingdom, Anti-semitic views weren't terrible to the majority of Germany. But please, tell me more about how majority approval ensures no wrongdoing occurs.

Perhaps we could agree to disagree?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:24 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Terrible to you but not to the majority of the populous. Why should a minority get to decide the leaders?

Newsom and Nazis are not even remotely similar.


Slavery wasn't terrible to the majority of the confederacy, Suppressing the Indian people wasn't terrible to the majority of the United Kingdom, Anti-semitic views weren't terrible to the majority of Germany. But please, tell me more about how majority approval ensures no wrongdoing occurs.

Perhaps we could agree to disagree?


Was slavery voted on in a referendum? The answer is no. People were voted in who opposed slavery and passed the 13th amendment. Hitler did not get a majority of the vote in Germany.

I ask again why should the minority of your state get to decide who the leaders are?

Should the losing side in Louisville, KY who is holding mayoral and city council elections this year have more say than the victors?

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:31 pm

I thought we created a separate thread for that.
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Slavery wasn't terrible to the majority of the confederacy, Suppressing the Indian people wasn't terrible to the majority of the United Kingdom, Anti-semitic views weren't terrible to the majority of Germany. But please, tell me more about how majority approval ensures no wrongdoing occurs.

Perhaps we could agree to disagree?


Was slavery voted on in a referendum? The answer is no. People were voted in who opposed slavery and passed the 13th amendment. Hitler did not get a majority of the vote in Germany.

I ask again why should the minority of your state get to decide who the leaders are?

Should the losing side in Louisville, KY who is holding mayoral and city council elections this year have more say than the victors?

Hold a referendum on slavery in 11 southern states in 1860. Which side wins?

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Postby Auze » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:35 pm

Arlenton wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Was slavery voted on in a referendum? The answer is no. People were voted in who opposed slavery and passed the 13th amendment. Hitler did not get a majority of the vote in Germany.

I ask again why should the minority of your state get to decide who the leaders are?

Should the losing side in Louisville, KY who is holding mayoral and city council elections this year have more say than the victors?

Hold a referendum on slavery in 11 southern states in 1860. Which side wins?

Make it so that slave's votes count. Which side wins?
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:38 pm

I'm reasonably sure that neither slavery nor the fitness of certain people to vote are not the topic here. Let's get back to talking about the midterms, shall we?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:40 pm

Auze wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Hold a referendum on slavery in 11 southern states in 1860. Which side wins?

Make it so that slave's votes count. Which side wins?


Probably abolition at that point.
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Postby Kohr » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:36 pm

So I live in Minnesota, and I noticed something about turnout in our primaries from yesterday. The DFL (known in other parts of the country as the Democrats) saw a much larger turnout among its members than the Republicans. This may be something to keep in mind going forward.

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