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Postby Shrillland » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:43 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I'm sure we could figure out some reasonable limitations, something, something, rights aren't absolute.


I'm not following. The constitution explicitly says you cannot deny someone public office on the basis of their religion or lack thereof.


True, but he wants to change it so Muslims...and only Muslims, can't run for office or even live here because everybody else can assimilate.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:43 pm

Shrillland wrote:
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I'm not following. The constitution explicitly says you cannot deny someone public office on the basis of their religion or lack thereof.


True, but he wants to change it so Muslims...and only Muslims, can't run for office or even live here because everybody else can assimilate.


So much for the Free Exercise clause.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:46 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Sick Jumps wrote:I used to remember him being a lot less wingnutty. Not sure when that changed.

Who is where you? Do I know you as someone else?

Also it’s not wingnutty it’s sounding the alarm that nobody wants to acknowledge because it hurts their liberal sensibilities

Thank you for proving you don't even believe in the basic tenets of America and have no place here. :)
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:49 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I'm not following. The constitution explicitly says you cannot deny someone public office on the basis of their religion or lack thereof.


True, but he wants to change it so Muslims...and only Muslims, can't run for office or even live here because everybody else can assimilate.


No, I don't have a particular issue with Muslims tbh.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:51 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:You also think Starship Troopers and They Live are documentaries on Muslims. Just great.


No, he's just interacted with Muslims on this very board. Or have you missed Kubumba's delightful posts about how we should implement Shariah law, become an Islamic theocracy, allow men to beat their wives and whip gay people 100 times in public?

Calling for stripping office from all American Muslims based solely on interacting with a guy on NSG.

Can't make that shit up.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:51 pm

Telconi wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
True, but he wants to change it so Muslims...and only Muslims, can't run for office or even live here because everybody else can assimilate.


No, I don't have a particular issue with Muslims tbh.

No, you are just talking about how we could 'figure something out' about religious tests and 'rights not being absolute' as part of a conversation about banning Muslims and only Muslims from holding public office because they don't belong here.

Is it really a dog whistle if everyone can hear it?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:51 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No, he's just interacted with Muslims on this very board. Or have you missed Kubumba's delightful posts about how we should implement Shariah law, become an Islamic theocracy, allow men to beat their wives and whip gay people 100 times in public?

Calling for stripping office from all American Muslims based solely on interacting with a guy on NSG.

Can't make that shit up.


His views are far from unorthodox tbh
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:51 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Who is where you? Do I know you as someone else?

Also it’s not wingnutty it’s sounding the alarm that nobody wants to acknowledge because it hurts their liberal sensibilities

Thank you for proving you don't even believe in the basic tenets of America and have no place here. :)


"Basic tenets of America" Oh that's rich...
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:52 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:No, he's just interacted with Muslims on this very board. Or have you missed Kubumba's delightful posts about how we should implement Shariah law, become an Islamic theocracy, allow men to beat their wives and whip gay people 100 times in public?

By the measure of "crazy things said on the internet", there's not an ideology nor religion in existence that shouldn't have all of adherents lined up against a wall and shot.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:52 pm

Telconi wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
True, but he wants to change it so Muslims...and only Muslims, can't run for office or even live here because everybody else can assimilate.


No, I don't have a particular issue with Muslims tbh.


I was referring to Therm...giving Vassenor a heads up.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:52 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No, I don't have a particular issue with Muslims tbh.

No, you are just talking about how we could 'figure something out' about religious tests and 'rights not being absolute' as part of a conversation about banning Muslims and only Muslims from holding public office because they don't belong here.

Is it really a dog whistle if everyone can hear it?


I mean if we're building straw men it can be whatever you want it to be.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:53 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:No, he's just interacted with Muslims on this very board. Or have you missed Kubumba's delightful posts about how we should implement Shariah law, become an Islamic theocracy, allow men to beat their wives and whip gay people 100 times in public?

By the measure of "crazy things said on the internet", there's not an ideology nor religion in existence that shouldn't have all of adherents lined up against a wall and shot.


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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:53 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:His views are far from unorthodox tbh

In the States? Among American Muslims? They very much are.
Telconi wrote:"Basic tenets of America" Oh that's rich...

I'm sorry that you hate the Founding Fathers so much. It pains me to hear this. But I suppose they only matter when the 2nd amendment is involved for you! Thank you for clarifying this matter. :)
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:53 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Calling for stripping office from all American Muslims based solely on interacting with a guy on NSG.

Can't make that shit up.


His views are far from unorthodox tbh

I'd like to know why Michigan isn't running under Sharia Law then.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:54 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:No, he's just interacted with Muslims on this very board. Or have you missed Kubumba's delightful posts about how we should implement Shariah law, become an Islamic theocracy, allow men to beat their wives and whip gay people 100 times in public?

By the measure of "crazy things said on the internet", there's not an ideology nor religion in existence that shouldn't have all of adherents lined up against a wall and shot.


Pretty sure advocatin for such is against board rules there my man.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:55 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:His views are far from unorthodox tbh

In the States? Among American Muslims? They very much are.
Telconi wrote:"Basic tenets of America" Oh that's rich...

I'm sorry that you hate the Founding Fathers so much. It pains me to hear this. But I suppose they only matter when the 2nd amendment is involved for you! Thank you for clarifying this matter. :)


You're a founding father? Huh, must have missed your signature on the declaration. or did you attend the constitutional convention.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:55 pm

Telconi wrote:Pretty sure advocatin for such is against board rules there my man.

I'm not advocating for such. I'm pointing out the obvious. Have you not been to wilder places than NSG online in your life? There are dangerous people of every ideology out there. If we're judging the whole by the craziest among us, then none of us are free from crimes or advocacy of crimes that merit the death penalty.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:55 pm

Telconi wrote:You're a founding father? Huh, must have missed your signature on the declaration. or did you attend the constitutional convention.

Good reading comprehension, my friend!
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:58 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Telconi wrote:You're a founding father? Huh, must have missed your signature on the declaration. or did you attend the constitutional convention.

Good reading comprehension, my friend!


Likewise.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:30 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
His views are far from unorthodox tbh

I'd like to know why Michigan isn't running under Sharia Law then.


Well perhaps not Michigan but several muslim majority cities. I wonder why no Muslim elected to office in the United States has pushed for Sharia Law. Could it be that they dont support it?
A Muslim being elected to a statewide office would be a wonderful thing but their religion should not matter though. Someone ought to be elected on the basis of who is best for the job and by nothing else.

Mr. Ellison is running to be the top law enforcement officer of his state. A Attorney General is bound to enforce the law of that state. Plus he is not running as a Muslim candidate and it will probably only come up if his wacky opponent brings it up which given his history and extreme views it would not be shocking.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:43 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
So we need a Religious test to hold office?

Just as long as you’re not Muslim. If your Buddhist or Hindu or anything else, sans scientology and shit like that, you can run for office

Why do you hate the constitution, Therm?
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:47 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Just as long as you’re not Muslim. If your Buddhist or Hindu or anything else, sans scientology and shit like that, you can run for office

Why do you hate the constitution, Therm?


Maybe bc the Patriots beat embarrassed his Falcons in that Super Bowl.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:58 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Why do you hate the constitution, Therm?


Maybe bc the Patriots beat embarrassed his Falcons in that Super Bowl.

Im fairly certain Therm is from Georgia.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Maybe bc the Patriots beat embarrassed his Falcons in that Super Bowl.

Im fairly certain Therm is from Georgia.

I'm also fairly certain Jerzy was telling a joke.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:02 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Im fairly certain Therm is from Georgia.

I'm also fairly certain Jerzy was telling a joke.

oh ok my apologies

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