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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:08 am

Thermodolia wrote:
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There is no direct evidence he did anything. Consideringq he won the nomination obviously the people of Minnesota did not believe the allegations.

I don’t think you are getting it. I really don’t like primarily because he’s a Muslim.

The Atlanta metro area would agree with a candidate who said they would ignore them?

A lot of people in Georgia like being left to their own devices so yes. A good chunk of the metro area doesn’t like government intervention


What do you have against Muslims? You seem to be implying he not be allowed to run or serve because of his religion. Thats the definition of discrimination

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:19 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I don’t think you are getting it. I really don’t like primarily because he’s a Muslim.


A lot of people in Georgia like being left to their own devices so yes. A good chunk of the metro area doesn’t like government intervention


What do you have against Muslims?

Lots. For starters Islam is against American culture, beliefs and values. It’s a terrorist hell hole and quite frankly is just a rabid dog.

You seem to be implying he not be allowed to run or serve because of his religion.

Yes I think Islam should be banned from the US and those who don’t convert away from it or have served in the military should be stripped of their citizenship.

Thats the definition of discrimination

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:24 am

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What do you have against Muslims?

Lots. For starters Islam is against American culture, beliefs and values. It’s a terrorist hell hole and quite frankly is just a rabid dog.

You seem to be implying he not be allowed to run or serve because of his religion.

Yes I think Islam should be banned from the US and those who don’t convert away from it or have served in the military should be stripped of their citizenship.

Thats the definition of discrimination

Don’t really give a shit. That’s your problem


Wow ok. I will have you know that most Muslims do not support terrorism or the policies of countries like Saudi Arabia. I have friends who are Muslims and would be deeply offended by your comments.

Have you not read the first amendment? Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion nor restrict the free exercise thereof.

Therefore Ellison and his almost certain successor in Congress should not be allowed to serve should they win? That is extremely un-American and discriminatory to say that a entire group should be stripped of citizenship because of their religion unless they serve in the military. That is flat out insane.

Why dont we next say those who look a certain way or of a certain race are ineligible for office?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:27 am

Thermodolia wrote:
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What do you have against Muslims?

Lots. For starters Islam is against American culture, beliefs and values. It’s a terrorist hell hole and quite frankly is just a rabid dog.

You seem to be implying he not be allowed to run or serve because of his religion.

Yes I think Islam should be banned from the US and those who don’t convert away from it or have served in the military should be stripped of their citizenship.

Thats the definition of discrimination

Don’t really give a shit. That’s your problem

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Postby Shrillland » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:29 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What do you have against Muslims?

Lots. For starters Islam is against American culture, beliefs and values. It’s a terrorist hell hole and quite frankly is just a rabid dog.

You seem to be implying he not be allowed to run or serve because of his religion.

Yes I think Islam should be banned from the US and those who don’t convert away from it or have served in the military should be stripped of their citizenship.

Thats the definition of discrimination

Don’t really give a shit. That’s your problem



But to abolish Islam is to destroy the First Amendment, which is, in many respects, the bedrock of our beliefs and values. Abolishing a belief and maintaining our values as Americans are mutually exclusive concepts. The most you could do is limit or ban certain actions as per Reynolds v. US.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:32 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Lots. For starters Islam is against American culture, beliefs and values. It’s a terrorist hell hole and quite frankly is just a rabid dog.


Yes I think Islam should be banned from the US and those who don’t convert away from it or have served in the military should be stripped of their citizenship.


Don’t really give a shit. That’s your problem

What the fuck

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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:45 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:He's a Democratic Muslim.

It has nothing to do with his political party. Though the democrats are pretty shit

Thermodolia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
How so?

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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:46 am

Ifreann wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:What the fuck

Didn't you know that Therm hates America? Far too much freedom.


Since it's been said that freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose, then I guess Therm hasn't really found freedom yet. Too bad.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:49 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Lots. For starters Islam is against American culture, beliefs and values. It’s a terrorist hell hole and quite frankly is just a rabid dog.


Yes I think Islam should be banned from the US and those who don’t convert away from it or have served in the military should be stripped of their citizenship.


Don’t really give a shit. That’s your problem


Wow ok. I will have you know that most Muslims do not support terrorism or the policies of countries like Saudi Arabia. I have friends who are Muslims and would be deeply offended by your comments.

I really do not care or give shit about your feelings or theirs

Have you not read the first amendment? Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion nor restrict the free exercise thereof.

I’ve already said that we should restrict that.

Therefore Ellison and his almost certain successor in Congress should not be allowed to serve should they win? That is extremely un-American and discriminatory to say that a entire group should be stripped of citizenship because of their religion unless they serve in the military. That is flat out insane.

They are the threat to America. This is a matter of national security and I don’t care about your feelings.

Why dont we next say those who look a certain way or of a certain race are ineligible for office?

You can choose your religion, you can change it. You can’t choose or change your race, sex, or sexual orientation.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:49 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It has nothing to do with his political party. Though the democrats are pretty shit

Thermodolia wrote:Wife abuser, Muslim, liberal democrat, globalist, proponent of multiculturalism


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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:54 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Wow ok. I will have you know that most Muslims do not support terrorism or the policies of countries like Saudi Arabia. I have friends who are Muslims and would be deeply offended by your comments.

I really do not care or give shit about your feelings or theirs

Have you not read the first amendment? Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion nor restrict the free exercise thereof.

I’ve already said that we should restrict that.

Therefore Ellison and his almost certain successor in Congress should not be allowed to serve should they win? That is extremely un-American and discriminatory to say that a entire group should be stripped of citizenship because of their religion unless they serve in the military. That is flat out insane.

They are the threat to America. This is a matter of national security and I don’t care about your feelings.

Why dont we next say those who look a certain way or of a certain race are ineligible for office?

You can choose your religion, you can change it. You can’t choose or change your race, sex, or sexual orientation.


Im sorry but you come of as bigoted to me. How are they a threat to America? How is Ellison being Attorney General or his almost certain successor in Congress State Rep Ilhan Omar a threat?

The people of Minnesota chose them in free and fair elections. They did not see them as threat.
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Postby Len Hyet » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:56 am

IDK if OP is still updating, but VA-10 has been changed from Toss-Up to Leans-Democrat
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:08 am

Len Hyet wrote:IDK if OP is still updating, but VA-10 has been changed from Toss-Up to Leans-Democrat


Oh, he's still updating, he just doesn't appear too often. He mans the decision desk and does the updates every week or two...I'm just the deputy when it comes to calls.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:23 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
How so?

Wife abuser,


Ok. First I have heard of it simply because he is in a different state.

This should be investigated.

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That is silly. You can do better.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:24 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Wife abuser,


Ok. First I have heard of it simply because he is in a different state.

This should be investigated.

Muslim, liberal democrat, globalist, proponent of multiculturalism


That is silly. You can do better.


It has been and there is little to no credible evidence.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:27 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I really do not care or give shit about your feelings or theirs


I’ve already said that we should restrict that.


They are the threat to America. This is a matter of national security and I don’t care about your feelings.


You can choose your religion, you can change it. You can’t choose or change your race, sex, or sexual orientation.


Im sorry but you come of as bigoted to me. How are they a threat to America? How is Ellison being Attorney General or his almost certain successor in Congress State Rep Ilhan Omar a threat?

The people of Minnesota chose them in free and fair elections. They did not see them as threat.

They'll obviously start implementing sharia law in Minnesota and recruit for Al'Qaeda and ISIS.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:34 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Im sorry but you come of as bigoted to me. How are they a threat to America? How is Ellison being Attorney General or his almost certain successor in Congress State Rep Ilhan Omar a threat?

The people of Minnesota chose them in free and fair elections. They did not see them as threat.

They'll obviously start implementing sharia law in Minnesota and recruit for Al'Qaeda and ISIS.



If that was the case, there are several suburbs of Detroit that they haven't gotten round to yet. Muslims make up sizeable minorities in the Cities or Detroit, in a couple of places, they even make up the majorities of city councils, yet they have not gone into forcing shops to close on Fridays.

There are two Muslims in Congress now, after the election, there will be at least three: Ilhan Omar(Minneapolis), Rashida Tlaib(Detroit-Westland), and Andre Carson(Indianapolis Central). If there were to be Islam-centric laws, then I would fight them as much as I do Chistianity-centric ones, but the fact is that we haven't seen anything like that as yet.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:37 am

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/40 ... -six-races

I thought id seen it all in politics but this might just take the cake. A perennial candidate Brooke Paige has won the Republican nomination for six offices in Vermont. He was unopposed for treasurer, secretary of state, attorney general and state auditor. But was elected as the Republican nominee for Vermont's lone congressional seat and the Senate.

Could the Vermont GOP seriously not find candidates for statewide office? Are they trying to lose?
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:48 am

San Lumen wrote:http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/401934-one-vermont-republican-wins-statewide-nomination-in-six-races

I thought id seen it all in politics but this might just take the cake. A perennial candidate Brooke Paige has won the Republican nomination for six offices in Vermont. He was unopposed for treasurer, secretary of state, attorney general and state auditor. But was elected as the Republican nominee for Vermont's lone congressional seat and the Senate.

Could the Vermont GOP seriously not find candidates for statewide office? Are they trying to lose?


Wow....I remember pointing out he(and I didn't know it was he because it was such an inconsequential thing that I didn't bother to look) won both the House and Senate nominations...but I didn't think Republicans were that thin on the ground up there. They have a popular GOP governor, you'd think that that would encourage more Republicans to run, and Vermont does have more Republicans than one might think.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:49 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Wife abuser,


Ok. First I have heard of it simply because he is in a different state.

This should be investigated.

Muslim, liberal democrat, globalist, proponent of multiculturalism


That is silly. You can do better.

He thinks Team America: World Police is a documentary. DURKA DURKA, MOHAMMED JIHAD!
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:51 am

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/401934-one-vermont-republican-wins-statewide-nomination-in-six-races

I thought id seen it all in politics but this might just take the cake. A perennial candidate Brooke Paige has won the Republican nomination for six offices in Vermont. He was unopposed for treasurer, secretary of state, attorney general and state auditor. But was elected as the Republican nominee for Vermont's lone congressional seat and the Senate.

Could the Vermont GOP seriously not find candidates for statewide office? Are they trying to lose?


Wow....I remember pointing out he(and I didn't know it was he because it was such an inconsequential thing that I didn't bother to look) won both the House and Senate nominations...but I didn't think Republicans were that thin on the ground up there. They have a popular GOP governor, you'd think that that would encourage more Republicans to run, and Vermont does have more Republicans than one might think.


But if your not going to bother contesting most statewide officers I question the survival of the party. Everyone has Governor election at safe D but I wouldn't rule out a upset after reading this.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:26 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It has nothing to do with his political party. Though the democrats are party shit


So what makes Ellison worse than Wardlow who is racist bigot and believes things such as same sex marriage and adoption ought to be illegal and has even suggested homosexuality itself should be recriminalized.
He also stated he doesnt think the state should have anti discrimination laws and is against abortion in all cases.

He's also made comments disparaging urban areas of Minnesota saying he will protect rural communities from urban elitists. The Attorney General represents all not just some.

Is that someone you want as the chief legal officer of a state?


That's a load of nonsense.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:28 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
So what makes Ellison worse than Wardlow who is racist bigot and believes things such as same sex marriage and adoption ought to be illegal and has even suggested homosexuality itself should be recriminalized.
He also stated he doesnt think the state should have anti discrimination laws and is against abortion in all cases.

He's also made comments disparaging urban areas of Minnesota saying he will protect rural communities from urban elitists. The Attorney General represents all not just some.

Is that someone you want as the chief legal officer of a state?


That's a load of nonsense.

No it really isn’t. Any statewide officer represents everyone whether you voted for them or not

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Postby Sick Jumps » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:31 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Lots. For starters Islam is against American culture, beliefs and values. It’s a terrorist hell hole and quite frankly is just a rabid dog.


Yes I think Islam should be banned from the US and those who don’t convert away from it or have served in the military should be stripped of their citizenship.


Don’t really give a shit. That’s your problem

What the fuck

I used to remember him being a lot less wingnutty. Not sure when that changed.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:31 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That's a load of nonsense.

No it really isn’t. Any statewide officer represents everyone whether you voted for them or not


No, they don't, they represent the people who voted for them.
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