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I was reading several articles about how Siberia is constantly being drained for oil, coal, timber, and other minerals, as well as giving huge taxes, and the government gives very few rubles for the governments to use to increase the living standards.

Obviously, Siberia would have a sparse population, as well as a small defense, and other countries may want to invade. An alliance with China would solve that. China has a shrinking habitable area, and the habitable area is heavily polluted. China can provide protection for Siberia, and Siberia can be a place for immigrants from China to slow its overpopulation.

What do you guys think?

I can see the tourism promotions now.

"Siberia: Come for gulag, stay forever!"

I doubt the people in Siberia wouldn't like it anyway. Not to mention that a country like that could easily fall under Chinese influence.

Give even more resources and power to China? Sure, what could go wrong.

/s

No, why would it?

Strength and Order wrote:Give even more resources and power to China? Sure, what could go wrong.

/s

Ya Mongolia would absolutely love to surrounded by China

Honestly if the peoples living there wanted independence, there's no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to become independent. Not that Russia would actually allow it, but eh, everything is hypothetical here right?

Siberia: Come a human leave as a Popsicle

Western-Ukraine wrote:I doubt the people in Siberia wouldn't like it anyway. Not to mention that a country like that could easily fall under Chinese influence.

Actually, your first statement isn't true. Siberians have been wanting at least partial independence for a while.

But the second one is right, but what's wrong with that?

Rakdai wrote:Obviously, Siberia would have a sparse population, as well as a small defense, and other countries may want to invade.

It's not like Russia would let them secede in any case.

Rakdai wrote:I was reading several articles about how Siberia is constantly being drained for oil, coal, timber, and other minerals, as well as giving huge taxes, and the government gives very few rubles for the governments to use to increase the living standards.

Obviously, Siberia would have a sparse population, as well as a small defense, and other countries may want to invade. An alliance with China would solve that. China has a shrinking habitable area, and the habitable area is heavily polluted. China can provide protection for Siberia, and Siberia can be a place for immigrants from China to slow its overpopulation.

What do you guys think?

Most of Siberia's resource infrastructure is owned by Russian nationals. Siberian independence would just leave the nation indebted to foreign nationals who would more likely than not have ownership of Siberia's mineral wealth. That means it would have a miniscule population spread over a titanic area and little to no ability to connect it. It'd just turn into Northern Canada 2.

Rakdai wrote:

Western-Ukraine wrote:I doubt the people in Siberia wouldn't like it anyway. Not to mention that a country like that could easily fall under Chinese influence.

Actually, your first statement isn't true. Siberians have been wanting at least partial independence for a while.

But the second one is right, but what's wrong with that?

Independence and being financially / militarily dependent on another country with malicious intent is rather mutually exclusive.

Would it be all of Siberia gaining independence as one country, or would Tuva and whatnot also gain their own, separate, independence?

Also, Russia may let them leave if they risk loosing ties with China.

If Putin doesn't briefly revive the Red Army and marches back into the wastes, then an independent Siberia will become a new political battleground between China and Russia.

I'd rather not have two authoritarian states fighting endless proxy wars over a sparsely populated but resource rich land, but I suppose it'd drive the Sino-Russian split far enough to throw Moscow right into the hands of Europe and America, I'll let everybody else debate how great or awful that'll be.

Also, China isn't evil. No idea why people think that.

Rakdai wrote:Also, Russia may let them leave if they risk loosing ties with China.

This implies Sino-Russian ties are ever a sure thing. Central Asia is Russia's backyard and China's destiny - the only real area of agreement they have is opposing le evil Americans. They don't even agree on Europe these days; Moscow isn't too pleased with how much business Beijing does with them.

Rakdai wrote:

Western-Ukraine wrote:I doubt the people in Siberia wouldn't like it anyway. Not to mention that a country like that could easily fall under Chinese influence.

Actually, your first statement isn't true. Siberians have been wanting at least partial independence for a while.

But the second one is right, but what's wrong with that?

The spread of Chinese influence

Rakdai wrote:Also, China isn't evil. No idea why people think that.

Why dont you?

Rakdai wrote:Also, China isn't evil. No idea why people think that.

Evil? No, they're just expansionist, aggressive, corrupt, and ambitious.

But you know, so long as they aren't evil!

Not a good idea, but possibly could because it’s ethnically more complex than the European side..

>Nenets
>Tuvans
>Buryats
>Evenkis
>Amurians
>Chukotkans
>Sakhalians
>Turkic-Siberians
>Kamchatkans
>Nyanagans
>Russian-Mongols
>Mongolians
>Krasnoyarski
>Kurilian Tribes
>Jewish in the Autonomous Republic

Dormill and Stiura wrote:If Putin doesn't briefly revive the Red Army and marches back into the wastes, then an independent Siberia will become a new political battleground between China and Russia.

I'd rather not have two authoritarian states fighting endless proxy wars over a sparsely populated but resource rich land, but I suppose it'd drive the Sino-Russian split far enough to throw Moscow right into the hands of Europe and America, I'll let everybody else debate how great or awful that'll be.

Let’s do it!!

Saskovia wrote:Not a good idea, but possibly could because it’s ethnically more complex than the European side..

>Nenets
>Tuvans
>Buryats
>Evenkis
>Amurians
>Chukotkans
>Sakhalians
>Turkic-Siberians
>Kamchatkans
>Nyanagans
>Russian-Mongols
>Mongolians
>Krasnoyarski
>Kurilian Tribes
>Jewish in the Autonomous Republic

There are hardly any Jews in the Jewish Autonomous Republic

The Enclave Government wrote:

Rakdai wrote:Also, Russia may let them leave if they risk loosing ties with China.

This implies Sino-Russian ties are ever a sure thing. Central Asia is Russia's backyard and China's destiny - the only real area of agreement they have is opposing le evil Americans. They don't even agree on Europe these days; Moscow isn't too pleased with how much business Beijing does with them.

Sino-Soviet Split 2: Electric Boogaloo when?

Strength and Order wrote:

The Enclave Government wrote:This implies Sino-Russian ties are ever a sure thing. Central Asia is Russia's backyard and China's destiny - the only real area of agreement they have is opposing le evil Americans. They don't even agree on Europe these days; Moscow isn't too pleased with how much business Beijing does with them.

Sino-Soviet Split 2: Electric Boogaloo when?

In the few decades it'll take for Russia to repeat history and stagnate their economy so much that the Federation falls apart.