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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:29 pm

Telconi wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:She asked him to provide proof that having gay parents causes harm to the child, as it was his reason why LGBT adoption should be restricted. It wasn't really a medical discussion...


Sure, and he has ever right to form an opinion lacking objective evidence supporting his conclusion.

Of course, but saying that gay people turn children into rapists needs to have some pretty strong sources to back it up, as otherwise it is a really bizarre thing to just pluck out of thin air...
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Postby San Macalin » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:30 pm

How is this even a discussion? Parents > no parents.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:30 pm

So back to the point at hand, I'm still having a hard time getting my head around the legislature's rationale for this move.
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Sure, and he has ever right to form an opinion lacking objective evidence supporting his conclusion.

Of course, but saying that gay people turn children into rapists needs to have some pretty strong sources to back it up, as otherwise it is a really bizarre thing to just pluck out of thin air...

How does a child rape anyone? That's my question.
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Postby Thanatttynia » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:32 pm

Vassenor wrote:So back to the point at hand, I'm still having a hard time getting my head around the legislature's rationale for this move.

I'm just guessing here but it could be because they care less about children in care than they do about the rights of queer people
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:32 pm

San Macalin wrote:How is this even a discussion? Parents > no parents.

I mean sure, but I think that some limits are reasonable, such as ensuring the parents have a stable income before they adopt, but having "being straight" as one of the conditions just seems nonsensical.
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Postby Puldania » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:32 pm

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Geneviev wrote:But children need parents and there's already not enough people who are prepared to adopt.


Children need a father and a mother, not two fathers and two mothers, because it can harm them and make them going to go to the wrong way and becoming sinful and making wrong choices

You're an idiot. One: God made LGBT people with the sexuality. He created them. Thus, the argument that god intended only x type of relationship is bullshit, and you know it.
Two: I want you to give me ONE solid argument as to why having same-sex parents would be harmful to a child.
Three: I can think of a variety of reasons why forcing a gay person to be in a straight, child bearing relationship would be disastrous for the child. Lemme know if you wanna hear them.

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The New California Republic wrote:
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Sure, and he has ever right to form an opinion lacking objective evidence supporting his conclusion.

Of course, but saying that gay people turn children into rapists needs to have some pretty strong sources to back it up, as otherwise it is a really bizarre thing to just pluck out of thin air...


Well sure, it's certainly odd, but not all that uncommon to be honest.
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Vassenor wrote:So back to the point at hand, I'm still having a hard time getting my head around the legislature's rationale for this move.


Could be a number of things, they could support the idea of religious institutions being allowed to operate within their doctrinal framework, they could believe homosexuals make inadequate parents, they could just be going on a salt mining expidition. Honestly, here's probably a bit from each.
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San Macalin wrote:How is this even a discussion? Parents > no parents.

I mean sure, but I think that some limits are reasonable, such as ensuring the parents have a stable income before they adopt, but having "being straight" as one of the conditions just seems nonsensical.

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New Greater Netherlands wrote:
Geneviev wrote:But children need parents and there's already not enough people who are prepared to adopt.


Children need a father and a mother, not two fathers and two mothers, because it can harm them and make them going to go to the wrong way and becoming sinful and making wrong choices


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The New California Republic wrote:So, getting back to the matter at hand, do you have proof that having gay parents causes the child harm?


No (Google is pretty much liberal), but that's how I believe it

Maybe google seems liberal because your completely wrong and your opinion has no factual backing?

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That's pretty fast. Sonichu levels. But anyway, on topic.

I think gay parents are better than none.
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The New California Republic wrote:Of course, but saying that gay people turn children into rapists needs to have some pretty strong sources to back it up, as otherwise it is a really bizarre thing to just pluck out of thin air...


Well sure, it's certainly odd, but not all that uncommon to be honest.

I mean I find it quite sad that some people genuinely think that my parenting would turn my adopted child into a rapist later in life, regardless of my parenting skills, just because I happen to be gay. The argument was based on the fallacious assumption that gay people are incapable of teaching right from wrong, to such an extent that the child would be incapable of discerning later in life that raping people is wrong.
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The New California Republic wrote:
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Well sure, it's certainly odd, but not all that uncommon to be honest.

I mean I find it quite sad that some people genuinely think that my parenting would turn my adopted child into a rapist later in life, regardless of my parenting skills, just because I happen to be gay. The argument was based on the fallacious assumption that gay people are incapable of teaching right from wrong, to such an extent that the child would be incapable of discerning later in life that raping people is wrong.


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Postby Geneviev » Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:02 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well sure, it's certainly odd, but not all that uncommon to be honest.

I mean I find it quite sad that some people genuinely think that my parenting would turn my adopted child into a rapist later in life, regardless of my parenting skills, just because I happen to be gay. The argument was based on the fallacious assumption that gay people are incapable of teaching right from wrong, to such an extent that the child would be incapable of discerning later in life that raping people is wrong.

To be fair, hardly anyone believes that.
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This is a pretty stupid restriction on rights. If the parents and adopted child (or guardian if they're too young) gives informed consent, there should be nothing standing in the way. No evidence that LGBT parents are worse parents compared to anyone else.
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The Vine and Fig Tree wrote:This is a pretty stupid restriction on rights. If the parents and adopted child (or guardian if they're too young) gives informed consent, there should be nothing standing in the way. No evidence that LGBT parents are worse parents compared to anyone else.


Nobody is restricting homosexual couples from adoption. they're simply saying that a church ran adoption program doesny need to serve homosexual couples.
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Telconi wrote:Nobody is restricting homosexual couples from adoption. they're simply saying that a church ran adoption program doesny need to serve homosexual couples.

Oh right, in that case it shouldn't need to.
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Telconi wrote:
The Vine and Fig Tree wrote:This is a pretty stupid restriction on rights. If the parents and adopted child (or guardian if they're too young) gives informed consent, there should be nothing standing in the way. No evidence that LGBT parents are worse parents compared to anyone else.


Nobody is restricting homosexual couples from adoption. they're simply saying that a church ran adoption program doesny need to serve homosexual couples.

It shouldn't receive federal funding then.
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The South Falls wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Nobody is restricting homosexual couples from adoption. they're simply saying that a church ran adoption program doesny need to serve homosexual couples.

It shouldn't receive federal funding then.


They're still performing adoptions.
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No (Google is pretty much liberal), but that's how I believe it

Maybe google seems liberal because your completely wrong and your opinion has no factual backing?


Don't be ridiculous! Facts must be exactly in the middle of the political spectrum and should move to accommodate extremists or they're not real. /s
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Peopre wrote:Maybe google seems liberal because your completely wrong and your opinion has no factual backing?


Don't be ridiculous! Facts must be exactly in the middle of the political spectrum and should move to accommodate extremists or they're not real. /s


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