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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:17 pm

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No, I don't have to leave you alone. If you make a point without providing supporting evidence, I have the right to challenge you on it.

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Just go and leave me alone, and put me on your ignore list, i don't want to speak with you anymore with your crappy talking and attacking Christians and Conservatives


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Postby Arlenton » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:17 pm

New Greater Netherlands wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:What?? :eyebrow:

Give proof that having gay parents turns a child into a rapist. Try.


As I said, it can confuse them, as you can see what happens in the world, and they are too much exposed to it, so that's also why I think we should have Christian Morals and living style

Why should more secular states, like Vermont or Massachusetts, be subject to Christian morals?
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Postby New Greater Netherlands » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:18 pm

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Just go and leave me alone, and put me on your ignore list, i don't want to speak with you anymore with your crappy talking and attacking Christians

She asked you to give sources for your claims. Your refusal by telling her to stop talking to you says a lot...


The only thing she does is personally attacking others who aren't liberal and doesn't like LGBT people and who are Christian and Conservative
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:19 pm

New Greater Netherlands wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:She asked you to give sources for your claims. Your refusal by telling her to stop talking to you says a lot...


The only thing she does is personally attacking others who aren't liberal and doesn't like LGBT people and who are Christian and Conservative


How have I personally attacked you by asking you to provide supporting evidence for your arguments?
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Postby New Greater Netherlands » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:19 pm

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As I said, it can confuse them, as you can see what happens in the world, and they are too much exposed to it, so that's also why I think we should have Christian Morals and living style

Why should more secular states, like Vermont or Massachusetts, be subject to Christian morals?


Because I think that all western countries (plus Eastern European countries and the Balkans) are bonded with Christian roots, values and morals
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:19 pm

New Greater Netherlands wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:She asked you to give sources for your claims. Your refusal by telling her to stop talking to you says a lot...


The only thing she does is personally attacking others who aren't liberal and doesn't like LGBT people and who are Christian and Conservative

She didn't attack anyone. She just asked you for a source. I'm sorry if it came off as not polite, but she ain't gonna kowtow to you.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:20 pm

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Just go and leave me alone, and put me on your ignore list, i don't want to speak with you anymore with your crappy talking and attacking Christians and Conservatives


This is not your safe space.


It's also not a medical discussion board to be fair.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:20 pm

New Greater Netherlands wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:She asked you to give sources for your claims. Your refusal by telling her to stop talking to you says a lot...


The only thing she does is personally attacking others who aren't liberal and doesn't like LGBT people and who are Christian and Conservative

She asked you to provide sources to prove your claim that "LGBT adoption should be restricted because having gay parents causes harm to the child". It is a simple request...
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:20 pm

New Greater Netherlands wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Why should more secular states, like Vermont or Massachusetts, be subject to Christian morals?


Because I think that all western countries (plus Eastern European countries and the Balkans) are bonded with Christian roots, values and morals


Aren't the Balkan states pretty heavily Muslim?
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:20 pm

New Greater Netherlands wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Why should more secular states, like Vermont or Massachusetts, be subject to Christian morals?


Because I think that all western countries (plus Eastern European countries and the Balkans) are bonded with Christian roots, values and morals

What about disestablishmentarianism?
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:21 pm

New Greater Netherlands wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Why should more secular states, like Vermont or Massachusetts, be subject to Christian morals?


Because I think that all western countries (plus Eastern European countries and the Balkans) are bonded with Christian roots, values and morals

That doesn’t matter. We’re not a theocratic nation.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:21 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
This is not your safe space.


It's also not a medical discussion board to be fair.

She asked him to provide proof that having gay parents causes harm to the child, as it was his reason why LGBT adoption should be restricted. It wasn't really a medical discussion...
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:22 pm

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Because I think that all western countries (plus Eastern European countries and the Balkans) are bonded with Christian roots, values and morals


Aren't the Balkan states pretty heavily Muslim?

Serbia tried to fix that.
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Postby New Greater Netherlands » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:22 pm

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New Greater Netherlands wrote:
Because I think that all western countries (plus Eastern European countries and the Balkans) are bonded with Christian roots, values and morals

That doesn’t matter. We’re not a theocratic nation.


What about Norway and the Vatican? Their state religion are Christianity
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:23 pm

New Greater Netherlands wrote:
Arlenton wrote:That doesn’t matter. We’re not a theocratic nation.


What about Norway and the Vatican? Their state religion are Christianity

It's starting to drift off-topic...
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:23 pm

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Arlenton wrote:That doesn’t matter. We’re not a theocratic nation.


What about Norway and the Vatican? Their state religion are Christianity


So how is Norway actually a theocracy?
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:23 pm

New Greater Netherlands wrote:
Arlenton wrote:That doesn’t matter. We’re not a theocratic nation.


What about Norway and the Vatican? Their state religion are Christianity

We're not Norway, and were not a Catholic state. The home of the pope is the Vatican.
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Postby New Greater Netherlands » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:24 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
New Greater Netherlands wrote:
What about Norway and the Vatican? Their state religion are Christianity

It's starting to drift off-topic...


Yeah, let's go back on-topic
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:24 pm

Vassenor wrote:
New Greater Netherlands wrote:
What about Norway and the Vatican? Their state religion are Christianity


So how is Norway actually a theocracy?

If it was a theocracy Varg Vikernes would have to invest in a flamethrower.
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What about Norway and the Vatican? Their state religion are Christianity

We're not Norway, and were not a Catholic state. The home of the pope is the Vatican.


Norway is Protestant ;)
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:26 pm

New Greater Netherlands wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It's starting to drift off-topic...


Yeah, let's go back on-topic

So, getting back to the matter at hand, do you have proof that having gay parents causes the child harm?
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:26 pm

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Telconi wrote:
It's also not a medical discussion board to be fair.

She asked him to provide proof that having gay parents causes harm to the child, as it was his reason why LGBT adoption should be restricted. It wasn't really a medical discussion...


Sure, and he has ever right to form an opinion lacking objective evidence supporting his conclusion.
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New Greater Netherlands wrote:I agree with you, Because God actually made the man to fall in love with women and woman fall in love with men. So I also think homosexual couples shouldn't adopt and have children
New Greater Netherlands wrote:Children need a father and a mother, not two fathers and two mothers, because it can harm them and make them going to go to the wrong way and becoming sinful and making wrong choices
New Greater Netherlands wrote:Children with gay parents ARE more going likely to sin and it does harm them because it is immoral and it can confuse them so much they can later go into raping someone or something
New Greater Netherlands wrote:1. Yes God made the humans like that
2 and 3. Read my reply to Geneviev ;)
New Greater Netherlands wrote:As I said, it can confuse them, as you can see what happens in the world, and they are too much exposed to it, so that's also why I think we should have Christian Morals and living style

Any one of these posts by themselves would probably merit little more than a raised eyebrow as poor debate form and maybe an unofficial "knock it off" coming from someone with a clean warning history. However, you do not have a clean warning history, nor are these one-off posts, but a persistent pattern of behavior that looks like you're posting not so much to debate and discuss, but to get people riled up. Taken in aggregate, this is trolling, as all you keep doing is screaming that "all gay parents harm children," and refusing to even attempt to back up your argument with any sort of sources or reasoning besides "Because I/my religion said so."
New Greater Netherlands wrote:And you must leave me alone
New Greater Netherlands wrote:Just go and leave me alone, and put me on your ignore list, i don't want to speak with you anymore with your crappy talking and attacking Christians and Conservatives

Not how NSG works. If you have an opinion, you'd best be ready to actually explain and try to defend it, because people will not accept a controversial opinion on nothing but your say-so or because your religious belief says so. NSG is not a safe space, ideas can and will be debated, sometimes quite fiercely. If you cannot handle having your opinions challenged and debated, perhaps NSG is not the place to be posting them.

Given your prior history of trolling, *** New Greater Netherlands, 7-day ban for trolling ***.

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Postby New Greater Netherlands » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:28 pm

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New Greater Netherlands wrote:
Yeah, let's go back on-topic

So, getting back to the matter at hand, do you have proof that having gay parents causes the child harm?


No (Google is pretty much liberal), but that's how I believe it
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:28 pm

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The South Falls wrote:We're not Norway, and were not a Catholic state. The home of the pope is the Vatican.


Norway is Protestant ;)

Potato potaato. Or, Martin and Mary I. But Norway isn't a theocracy.
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