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The Parkus Empire wrote:

Radiatia wrote:The whole "In God We Trust" thing is so outdated now that the Cold War is over. They introduced it as a way to differentiate the west from the communists, but nowadays it's just ridiculous to see a first world country whose government makes decisions based on directions from their politicians' imaginary friend.

Meanwhile the Commonwealth still says the queen reigns by the Grace of God on their currency and bishops get an automatic seat in the House of Lords, and parties in Europe use "Christian" in their name

To be specific: the Queen says that the Queen reigns by the grace of god. That "by the grace of god" thing is part of her name. She can feel free to say what she likes in that regard (as long as she doesn't claim a divine right to rule. That tends to get your head cut off. Similarly, private clubs can feel free to call themselves whatever they like.

bishops get an automatic seat in the House of Lords

Not true, but indeed, the lords spiritual are a silly idea and should be eliminated.

The Two Jerseys wrote:

Petrasylvania wrote:"Get a Better Job or Kill Yourself."

At what point do we skip to "Just Do Us All a Favor and Kill Yourself Already"?

I'm giving it about six years.

Herador wrote:

The Two Jerseys wrote:At what point do we skip to "Just Do Us All a Favor and Kill Yourself Already"?

I'm giving it about six years.

About six days, if Trump is involved.

Herador wrote:

The Two Jerseys wrote:At what point do we skip to "Just Do Us All a Favor and Kill Yourself Already"?

I'm giving it about six years.

You know how when a credit card expires the issuer sends you a new one?

That's what we're going to do with EBT cards, each time it gets replaced the motto gets more and more aggressive.

Western-Ukraine wrote:

Len Hyet wrote:You do realize that's one of the people who founded the country, telling you it's not founded on Christianity, right?

Absolutely. It's a reasonable interpretation, but it doesn't change the fact that the United States is founded on by Christian values and teachings. Fundamentally, God is still there even if not mentioned. We have the liberty of interpreting American culture in a different manner.

Not true. In fact I would say most of the founding values where diametrically opposed to Christian values.

Tinhampton wrote:

The Parkus Empire wrote:the Commonwealth still says the queen reigns by the Grace of God on their currency and bishops get an automatic seat in the House of Lords

The UK, unlike the USA, has a state religion (and has done well before the USSR came around)...

And also doesn't have the same binary view of religion that the US does. I remind you that this is a country that is both majority Christian and majority atheist (according to the same surveys, no less).

The Two Jerseys wrote:

Herador wrote:I'm giving it about six years.

You know how when a credit card expires the issuer sends you a new one?

That's what we're going to do with EBT cards, each time it gets replaced the motto gets more and more aggressive.

"Why Are You Still Here?"
"Do You Know How Many Luxury Yachts You Are Depriving From Beleaguered Billionaires?"

Western-Ukraine wrote:

The South Falls wrote:It's our cash. We don't need god on everything, because we're not officially religious. Just like how we don't need burgers on everything, because we're not *officially* fat.

I respect that opinion, but I see God and American culture as related in a very deep manner. Christian values and teachings have shaped the foundation of the United States and, indeed, all of the Western civilizations. That's why we need God in meaningful places.

Apart from all of the other problems with this, on money is just about the least meaningful place possible. Especially for a slogan associated with a religion famed for its anti-materialist teachings.

Deltanium wrote:

Radiatia wrote:The whole "In God We Trust" thing is so outdated now that the Cold War is over. They introduced it as a way to differentiate the west from the communists, but nowadays it's just ridiculous to see a first world country whose government makes decisions based on directions from their politicians' imaginary friend.

Mate, God exists and also, don’t you want conservatives to be less hostile to food stamps?

That's vanishingly unlikely, and no, I want them to stop fucking over other people. Dying of old age seems to be the main way they manage it.

Petrasylvania wrote:

The Two Jerseys wrote:You know how when a credit card expires the issuer sends you a new one?

That's what we're going to do with EBT cards, each time it gets replaced the motto gets more and more aggressive.

"Why Are You Still Here?"
"Do You Know How Many Luxury Yachts You Are Depriving From Beleaguered Billionaires?"

I like those. This idea really has potential...

The Two Jerseys wrote:

Petrasylvania wrote:"Why Are You Still Here?"
"Do You Know How Many Luxury Yachts You Are Depriving From Beleaguered Billionaires?"

I like those. This idea really has potential...

Yea. It does. For 2023, we can use "We Will Purge You With Our Gold M16s, Asshole!"

Engleberg wrote:The problem with “In God We Trust” is?

It's a shitty slogan in general, and it discourages fixing your problems for yourself.

Viridus wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Better idea: take it off your money.

Shut up, they ought to thank God that they even get food! We should be more religious if anything and the USA should finally adopt Christianity as it's official religion

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."

The South Falls wrote:

The Two Jerseys wrote:I like those. This idea really has potential...

Yea. It does. For 2023, we can use "We Will Purge You With Our Gold M16s, Asshole!"

And the 2023 cards come with a GPS tracker for the idle rich toting gold M16s.

How about instead of "in God we trust" it's "good luck" or something? It means pretty much the same thing.

Petrasylvania wrote:

The South Falls wrote:Yea. It does. For 2023, we can use "We Will Purge You With Our Gold M16s, Asshole!"

And the 2023 cards come with a GPS tracker for the idle rich toting gold M16s.

Exterminate the poor, a mentality that has pervaded through history.

Geneviev wrote:How about instead of "in God we trust" it's "good luck" or something? It means pretty much the same thing.

Exactly my point. When god has dealt you a shit band, it's hard to trust in him.

Annihitor the Incred wrote:

The Parkus Empire wrote:Furthermore the card should feature the American flag instead of the current tacky design, lend some patriotic dignity to the whole affair.

The world's most advanced and wealthy country having to hand out food stamps to millions of its own citizens does not seem to me as something remotely associable with patriotic dignity. If anything, it would seem a deliberate irony, a joke at both the recipients' and the country's expense.

In America we place a lot of value in paying your own way

The Parkus Empire wrote:

Annihitor the Incred wrote:The world's most advanced and wealthy country having to hand out food stamps to millions of its own citizens does not seem to me as something remotely associable with patriotic dignity. If anything, it would seem a deliberate irony, a joke at both the recipients' and the country's expense.

In America we place a lot of value in paying your own way

No, it's a hyped false ideal made to justify the social Darwinism and doing nothing about it.

Petrasylvania wrote:

The Parkus Empire wrote:In America we place a lot of value in paying your own way

No, it's a hyped false ideal made to justify the social Darwinism and doing nothing about it.

Why is it a false ideal?

The Two Jerseys wrote:How about "Get a Job" instead?

I can support that.

The Parkus Empire wrote:

Petrasylvania wrote:No, it's a hyped false ideal made to justify the social Darwinism and doing nothing about it.

Why is it a false ideal?

The entrenched corporate interests have an incentive to remain the sole players on the field. like this one time a woman making fruit styled clothing for kids was sued by Fruit of the Loom for trademark infringement.

Does this honestly even matter? The single mother living off of food stamps could care less if it said "In God We Trust" or not. It just doesn't matter in the end and would be a waste of ink.

Coolao wrote:

The Two Jerseys wrote:How about "Get a Job" instead?

I can support that.

Even if the most realistic job is burger flipping or WallyWorld Drone.

The Parkus Empire wrote:

Petrasylvania wrote:No, it's a hyped false ideal made to justify the social Darwinism and doing nothing about it.

Why is it a false ideal?

Go to a poor neighbourhood, to a large family, to a single mother who has to rent a car at extreme prices just to get to her jobs, whose kids go to a factually segregated underfunded school, who does not have money to let her kids go to college and tell her:

“This is your own fault. You should have worked harder”

That thought disgusts me.

Coolao wrote:

The Two Jerseys wrote:How about "Get a Job" instead?

I can support that.

I know a guy, good guy, best man at my wedding. He works full time at the best job he can, he works as a laborer with a local construction company, it doesn't pay exceptionally well but his family was very poor and all things considered, he makes ok money. His wife comes from a similar background, she works hard full time at a gas station and has a part-time job at another. Both of them are under 25. They have two children, neither planned, and the younger one had a lot of medical complications at birth, needed a surgery before 2, and still is very sick. They barely make the bills for their god-awful internet, the mobile home they live in, and the developing country level utilities the park they're in provide, payments for the two cars they need, insurance for those cars, etc. etc.

After all this they often don't have enough to buy all the food they need, and they shop at Walmart and Foodmaxx, the cheapest they can.

"Get a job" is just about the dumbest thing you could support putting on it.

Herador wrote:

Coolao wrote:

I can support that.

I know a guy, good guy, best man at my wedding. He works full time at the best job he can, he works as a laborer with a local construction company, it doesn't pay exceptionally well but his family was very poor and all things considered, he makes ok money. His wife comes from a similar background, she works hard full time at a gas station and has a part-time job at another. Both of them are under 25. They have two children, neither planned, and the younger one had a lot of medical complications at birth, needed a surgery before 2, and still is very sick. They barely make the bills for their god-awful internet, the mobile home they live in, and the developing country level utilities the park they're in provide, payments for the two cars they need, insurance for those cars, etc. etc.

After all this they often don't have enough to buy all the food they need, and they shop at Walmart and Foodmaxx, the cheapest they can.

"Get a job" is just about the dumbest thing you could support putting on it.

It's easy to ignore flaws in a system when you can blame the lack of economic advancement on "Lack of Bootstrap Pulling". People can pull it bootstraps hard enough to use them as garottes and it won't change their standings.