Right Wing Discussion Thread XIII: Do the Right thing

[Eisarnathiuda]

No.

Even Saudi Arabia has freedom of religion.
It's astounding that you reject that fundamental concept, a fundamental tenet of human rights.

Rights are a negotiable concept when you have a state ruled by an iron discipline.

Which question is this post answering? Calling people racist or being on the lookout?

The second one.
I don't erroneously call people racist. It's obvious that the right wing of the spectrum promotes nationalism, which is racist.

"Oh no, people advocate for their homeland that is unironically tied to both their culture and their ethnicity to be ethnically, genetically & culturally contiguous yet consistent throughout the centuries, how racist!"

Except it's only "racist" when White, Western or Eastern European peoples do it because them-thar poor, sad, natives and unfortunate brownpeople are the only ones that can be oppressed, invaded, colonized or given the big ole mean and racist angry invader treatment.

You leftist whackos are utterly fucking insane with the mental gymnastics horseshit. The LGBTASLFDJDKFJA:DSFKJA+ movement, the bizarro intersectionalist Man-hating she-dragon feminists & the "Social Democrats" that are totally not closet Leninists with a smiling facade are like the epitomization of the most batshit insane devil's deal "how to we fuck Western Civilization up the ass with a chainsaw" for ruining a hemisphere I have EVER seen in my entire life. How in the hell these groups have seemingly agreed to work both with each other and shriekingly autistic trots, BLM-Afro-Nationalists and whoever else for autistic civilizational fringe elements I'll never understand it.


NS has been fun, but being in a proverbial room with unironic enemies of the state and excellent examples of why Homeland Security needs to re-prioritize it's GitMo list for so many years has been pretty fuckin' grating. I dub Oil Exporting Peoples as my official successor, the Torch has been passed for Evil Racist Meanie & Chaos God of Mean Words.

[Hakons]

O gosh, not this topic again.

To be honest, I was in Normandy this summer and I went to the ''chapel'' in the American Cemetry. It was highly influenced, I think, by said civil religion. Absolutely disgusting in my opinion.

No, a while back CM insisted that it was an actual religion followed by large swaths of Americans. Census data said otherwise. One can have traditions and respect without having things be a religion, especially when virtually no one professes it to be their religion and expressly identify as something else.

The most annoying Americanism I've seen in Church was saying the Pledge of Allegiance during a service near the 4th of July. However, that was followed by a pledge to the Protestant flag, which I now propose to be our new pledge.

I pledge allegiance to the Christian flag, and to the Saviour for whose Kingdom it stands; one Saviour, crucified, risen, and coming again with life and liberty for all who believe.

It doesn't sound quite as good as the Apostle's Creed, but it must be brief.

[Benuty]

That obviously is not what that task force is set up to do. The task force is to protect religious liberties rather than restrict them. Although it does seem like atheists are discriminating against Christians more than vice versa, why would Trump crack down on his own belief system?

Of course, you have proof to back up those claims. I mean, it’s not like you’d throw this totally unproven assumption into the debate without biased sources to back it up...right?

And no, changing “Merry Christmas” to “Happy Holidays” does not count as an attack on Christianity.

It's more of an annoyance than anything else since only a few holidays during that time really matter significantly enough, and Kwanzaa isn't one of them, unfortunately. Maybe in a century when it passes "sacred cow" territory, but until then good luck getting anyone seriously to take it as seriously as Christmas or Hannukah.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Atheism is unamerican in the extreme. Hopefully Trump's Religious Liberties Task Force will crack down on it.

The United States is in no way founded on the Christian religion, nor on any other

Plus, religious freedom includes the right not to follow any religion.

[Hakons]

Atheism is unamerican in the extreme. Hopefully Trump's Religious Liberties Task Force will crack down on it.

The United States is in no way founded on the Christian religion, nor on any other

Plus, religious freedom includes the right not to follow any religion.

Jefferson was a Deist and would agree atheism is un-American. Very few people of the Enlightenment were actually atheist, and most agreed a good society needed religion.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Plus, religious freedom includes the right not to follow any religion.

Jefferson was a Deist and would agree atheism is un-American. Very few people of the Enlightenment were actually atheist, and most agreed a good society needed religion.

And how does a good society need religion? If that was the case, the less religious a country is, the less stable it will be for the most part. However, statistics suggest the opposite - the least religious areas of the world are highly peaceful and stable regions such as northern/western Europe, and the most religious areas of the world are highly unstable, war-torn regions such as Africa and the Middle East.

[Kubumba Tribe]

"Oh no, people advocate for their homeland that is unironically tied to both their culture and their ethnicity to be ethnically, genetically & culturally contiguous yet consistent throughout the centuries, how racist!"

Yes, I agree. If not racist, very selfish. Also, no country in the world has had a single, unified culture, genetics nor ethnicity.

Except it's only "racist" when White, Western or Eastern European peoples do it

Personally, I'd be upset no matter who does it

because them-thar poor, sad, natives and unfortunate brownpeople are the only ones that can be oppressed, invaded, colonized or given the big ole mean and racist angry invader treatment.

Incorrect.

You leftist whackos are utterly insane with the mental gymnastics horse.

Generalizing the whole left I see.

The LGBTASLFDJDKFJA:DSFKJA+ movement

If you wanna say it in full, I believe it's LGBTQQIA

the bizarro intersectionalist Man-hating she-dragon feminists

Generalizing all feminists I see

& the "Social Democrats" that are totally not closet Leninists with a smiling facade are like the epitomization of the most bat insane devil's deal "how to we screw Western Civilization up the butt with a chainsaw" for ruining a hemisphere I have EVER seen in my entire life.

Generalizing all social democrats I see. And I think you meant to say "never" not "ever"

How in the heck these groups have seemingly agreed to work both with each other and shriekingly autistic trots, BLM-Afro-Nationalists and whoever else for autistic civilizational fringe elements I'll never understand it.

>BLM-Afro-Nationalists
So all blmers are black nationalists?

NS has been fun, but being in a proverbial room with unironic enemies of the state and excellent examples of why Homeland Security needs to re-prioritize it's GitMo list for so many years has been pretty fuckin' grating. I dub Oil Exporting Peoples as my official successor, the Torch has been passed for Evil Racist Meanie & Chaos God of Mean Words.

So, you're leaving NS? And who are these "enemies of the state" that you're talking about?

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I pledge allegiance to the Christian flag, and to the Saviour for whose Kingdom it stands; one Saviour, crucified, risen, and coming again with life and liberty for all who believe.

It doesn't sound quite as good as the Apostle's Creed, but it must be brief.

Sounds better than the one we have now. Has a deeper meaning to, and I'm not even Christian.

[Northern Davincia]

Jefferson was a Deist and would agree atheism is un-American. Very few people of the Enlightenment were actually atheist, and most agreed a good society needed religion.

And how does a good society need religion? If that was the case, the less religious a country is, the less stable it will be for the most part. However, statistics suggest the opposite - the least religious areas of the world are highly peaceful and stable regions such as northern/western Europe, and the most religious areas of the world are highly unstable, war-torn regions such as Africa and the Middle East.

Correlation does not equal causation.

[Uxupox]

Jefferson was a Deist and would agree atheism is un-American. Very few people of the Enlightenment were actually atheist, and most agreed a good society needed religion.

And how does a good society need religion? If that was the case, the less religious a country is, the less stable it will be for the most part. However, statistics suggest the opposite - the least religious areas of the world are highly peaceful and stable regions such as northern/western Europe, and the most religious areas of the world are highly unstable, war-torn regions such as Africa and the Middle East.

You can thank a good healthy dose of European intervention for that.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And how does a good society need religion? If that was the case, the less religious a country is, the less stable it will be for the most part. However, statistics suggest the opposite - the least religious areas of the world are highly peaceful and stable regions such as northern/western Europe, and the most religious areas of the world are highly unstable, war-torn regions such as Africa and the Middle East.

You can thank a good healthy dose of European intervention for that.

And American.

[Uxupox]

You can thank a good healthy dose of European intervention for that.

And American.

nah. the middle east was already in ruins by the time Americans rolled in.

[Kubumba Tribe]

And American.

nah. the middle east was already in ruins by the time Americans rolled in.

Ik, but still.

[Tarsonis]

And how does a good society need religion? If that was the case, the less religious a country is, the less stable it will be for the most part. However, statistics suggest the opposite - the least religious areas of the world are highly peaceful and stable regions such as northern/western Europe, and the most religious areas of the world are highly unstable, war-torn regions such as Africa and the Middle East.

Correlation does not equal causation.

That’s actually his point. Religion and good society don’t correlate, thus religion isn’t a cause of good society.

You can have correlation without causation, you can’t have causation without correlation.

[Northern Davincia]

Correlation does not equal causation.

That’s actually his point. Religion and good society don’t correlate, thus religion isn’t a cause of good society.

You can have correlation without causation, you can’t have causation without correlation.

The Amish seem to have a pretty good society going on, last I checked.

[Fahran]

I'm still on hiatus from most of General, due to circumstances, but this subject holds a peculiar interest for me and I feel impelled by my argumentative streak and strong opinions to at least muster a rudimentary contribution to the conversation at hand.

And how does a good society need religion?

While I would not necessarily argue that religion is a prerequisite to a good society, religion does appear to strengthen familial bonds and communal ties. In the absence of other strong institutions, this should be seen as one of the vital sociological functions of religion and one that is not easily replaceable. The church has served as the nucleus of many communities and has been central to learning and civil rights for centuries. I would even go so far as to argue that modern secular society in the West would not have emerged without the religious tumults of the Reformation - an upheaval rooted stoutly in religion. Both America and France owe their secularism to religious institutions and conflicts to a significant extent. You can even trace the earliest ideas about religious liberty in America to Puritan theologians - people like Roger Williams.

Source on families.
Source on social ties.
Source on civil rights.
"A Plea for Religious Liberty" - Roger Williams

If that was the case, the less religious a country is, the less stable it will be for the most part. However, statistics suggest the opposite - the least religious areas of the world are highly peaceful and stable regions such as northern/western Europe, and the most religious areas of the world are highly unstable, war-torn regions such as Africa and the Middle East.

It's probable that the relationship is reversed. More stable societies become less religious while less stable societies become more religious. In this context, we should conclude that the secularism of the West is a product of stability, wealth, and leisure, not the other way around. And it's probable that religion played a role in fostering this stability at certain stages when secular institutions were weak.

Soure on religion and hard times.

[Conserative Morality]

No, a while back CM insisted that it was an actual religion followed by large swaths of Americans.

It is. That many practice Christianity or other theistic religions alongside is irrelevant to that point.

Census data said otherwise. One can have traditions and respect without having things be a religion, especially when virtually no one professes it to be their religion and expressly identify as something else.

Which is irrelevant considering that for many their primary identification is as Americans, not Christians, even though they profess a belief in both. That you refuse to see this is simply the natural conclusion of the Bible's teaching that one cannot serve two masters with the hyper-patriotic culture of the USA.

[Conserative Morality]

Jefferson was a Deist and would agree atheism is un-American. Very few people of the Enlightenment were actually atheist, and most agreed a good society needed religion.

Most were worried about being torn apart at the hands of their political opponents using the legendary tolerance of the Christian mob, no doubt. =^)

[Herskerstad]

In fairness anchoring Jefferson as any kind of standard barer for public morality is going to run into quite a few pitfalls regardless of which way one angles it.

[Conserative Morality]

In fairness anchoring Jefferson as any kind of standard barer for public morality is going to run into quite a few pitfalls regardless of which way one angles it.

Also true. Daily reminder that Washington was best boi and Hamilton second best. Ben Franklin was a bid of a cad but he was the kind of cad you loved so he gets third.

[Painisia]

https://youtu.be/JbhyKk6GYxw


Explain this monarchists

[Conserative Morality]

https://youtu.be/JbhyKk6GYxw


Explain this monarchists

>> when someone uses a Family Guy skit and you suddenly have the urge to defend the Divine Right of Kings

[Federal Syndicalist States]

Religion is an institutionalized framework on how one sees the material world in relation to the metaphysical truths. Like how the world is created, what the purpose of humanity is, what God is etc.

And whatever a good society is, totally depends on your own viewpoint as well. So unless we define what a good society is then we're not discussing rather gibbering.

[Erdogan in cool sunglasses]

Religion is important for the society to be healthy, especially when economical conditions of it are going well. Many people, probably the majority, needs the guide in their life and without this guide they try to seek another so they fall into sectarianism, New Age believes or just political ideologies. Or they turn into apathy and nihilism which leads to the decrease of fertility rate, materialism, narcotics and finally to the completely lack of empathy.

But not every religion can bring a healthy society. The most problematic here is Islam in it's current state because, out of many other reasons, they are very ease for sectarianism which with highly admired warrior culture among Arabs leads to what we see in the Middle East. Abolishing the last caliphate was (I'm looking at you, Kemal Paşa), Islam (well, at least it it's Sunni branch) needs a central authority to become acceptable in modern world.

[Painisia]

Religion is important for the society to be healthy, especially when economical conditions of it are going well. Many people, probably the majority, needs the guide in their life and without this guide they try to seek another so they fall into sectarianism, New Age believes or just political ideologies. Or they turn into apathy and nihilism which leads to the decrease of fertility rate, materialism, narcotics and finally to the completely lack of empathy.

But not every religion can bring a healthy society. The most problematic here is Islam in it's current state because, out of many other reasons, they are very ease for sectarianism which with highly admired warrior culture among Arabs leads to what we see in the Middle East. Abolishing the last caliphate was (I'm looking at you, Kemal Paşa), Islam (well, at least it it's Sunni branch) needs a central authority to become acceptable in modern world.

Where are you, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk!? Erdogan will probably transform Turkey into an Iranian Islamic Republic

[Fahran]

The second one.
I don't erroneously call people racist. It's obvious that the right wing of the spectrum promotes nationalism, which is racist.

Alright, I'll bite since nobody with my perspective has yet. How is nationalism racist?