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Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:44 pm**

Questers wrote:I misspoke.

Puritan Christianity killed feudalism.

Well, I suppose it is arguable that Puritans supported the rise of capitalism. And I certainly do not agree with the horrible things some Puritans did during the English Civil War. But the Jacobins certainly were not Christians.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:44 pm**

Kowani wrote:Well the terms may date from the French Revolution, the ideas themselves are much older. (Side note, you’re wrong, the Right in the FR wanted to preserve the monarchy)

“Society without order.” You...you need to read more. Preferably about the aims of the left. Since you know, they’re not homogeneous.

The right wanted to preserve the monarchy as long as it did what the assembly wanted. That's jsut a less extreme version of the left - get rid ofthe monarchy.

I have read a lot more than you on a lot more topics. This is likely why you are losing this debate.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:45 pm**

Questers wrote:"! think men and women are equal, and I hate discrimination - I can't see how this makes me a feminist!"

I believe I explained in full why I don’t consider myself a feminist. I believe even the most rabid anti-feminists who weren’t misogynistic would agree that men and women should be legally equal. Now, if you want to throw this wonderful thing called nuance out the window, that’s fine. You can shoot yourself in the foot as long as you want, as many times as you want.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:45 pm**

Questers wrote:
“Society without order.” You...you need to read more. Preferably about the aims of the left. Since you know, they’re not homogeneous.
I have read a lot more than you on a lot more topics. This is likely why you are losing this debate.

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Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:46 pm**

Questers wrote:
Kowani wrote:Well the terms may date from the French Revolution, the ideas themselves are much older. (Side note, you’re wrong, the Right in the FR wanted to preserve the monarchy)

“Society without order.” You...you need to read more. Preferably about the aims of the left. Since you know, they’re not homogeneous.
The right wanted to preserve the monarchy as long as it did what the assembly wanted. That's jsut a less extreme version of the left - get rid ofthe monarchy.

I have read a lot more than you on a lot more topics. This is likely why you are losing this debate.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:47 pm**

Questers wrote:
Kowani wrote:
...Do you have any actual sources to back this assertion up? (Besides the “Hormonal” argument, because men have a crapton of hormones as well.)
Spend extended periods of time with a lot of women and erase feminism from your brain and you can see it for yourself too.

But, you don't seem smart enough to realise the difference between an empiric assertion and a description. So if you can't do the latter, I doubt you can do the former.

Something you don't seem to grasp is that attacking other posters on a personal basis here is against the rules. Those rules are posted at the top of this forum and at the top of Moderation. Review them while you're enjoying your *** three-day ban for flaming. ***

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:47 pm**

Conserative Morality wrote:
Questers wrote:I have read a lot more than you on a lot more topics. This is likely why you are losing this debate.

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I feel like there's a copypasta for this sort of thing.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:54 pm**

Minzerland II wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Roman law before Christianity: "If you're raped, you're blameless, man or woman."

Roman law after Christianity: "If you're raped you're complicit in the crime, looks like you're getting hanged. =^)"

The primary problem with Rome is that it didn't persecute the Christians nearly hard enough.

Why do you hold Ancient Rome on such a pedestal? You complain about hypocrisy, but cannot seem to see that plank in your eye.

Ancient Rome was clearly better than Imperial Rome. The move away from the ordinary Republican model doomed it.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:56 pm**

Fact: The Roman Kingdom was the pinnacle of western civilization.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:56 pm**

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:Why do you hold Ancient Rome on such a pedestal? You complain about hypocrisy, but cannot seem to see that plank in your eye.

Ancient Rome was clearly better than Imperial Rome. The move away from the ordinary Republican model doomed it.

All power to the Tribunes!

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:58 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Fact: The Roman Kingdom was the pinnacle of western civilization.

Fake, micro-aggressive news.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:59 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Fact: The Roman Kingdom was the pinnacle of western civilization.

t. Tarquin Superbus

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:59 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Fact: The Roman Kingdom was the pinnacle of western civilization.

*laughs in Roman Republic*

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:01 pm**

Conserative Morality wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Feudalism came about in the chaos that followed the Roman Empire's collapse. People couldn't rely on Caesar's Legions to protect them anymore so they had to seek protection in the form of local rulers. That was the reason feudalism came about in Europe. And it worked for a while and did an even better job of protecting Europe from outside invasion than Rome did.

It didn't tho

The history of Europe after the fall of Rome is 90% outside invasions taking over and often butchering the aristocracy of the invaded region.

Feudalism survived because it was an effective way for elites to maintain power over the masses.

True. I should have been more specific. In certain areas it was an effective mechanism of defense. Not so in others.

Didn't protect Britain or Spain or the Balkans and Greece that well.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:01 pm**

Kramanica wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Fact: The Roman Kingdom was the pinnacle of western civilization.

*laughs in Roman Republic*

Populist Roman Republic to be precise, down with the out of touch Patricians!

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:01 pm**

Why do the spiciest posters always get banned? This is bullshit. Takes away 90% of the fun of this thread.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:02 pm**

Genivaria wrote:
Kramanica wrote:*laughs in Roman Republic*

Populist Roman Republic to be precise, down with the out of touch Patricians!

Hot take: Mark Antony did nothing wrong and should have been allowed to rule Egypt with Cleopatra

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:03 pm**

Genivaria wrote:
Kramanica wrote:*laughs in Roman Republic*

Populist Roman Republic to be precise, down with the out of touch Patricians!

But their lineage has divine blood. It's practically sacrilege to oppose them!

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:05 pm**

Zanera wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Populist Roman Republic to be precise, down with the out of touch Patricians!

But their lineage has divine blood. It's practically sacrilege to oppose them!

According to whom? The patricians?
Hmmmmmm?

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:07 pm**

Genivaria wrote:
Zanera wrote:
But their lineage has divine blood. It's practically sacrilege to oppose them!

According to whom? The patricians?
Hmmmmmm?

They pay me better than you ever can so either way.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:07 pm**

The pinnacle of civilization is probably around the year 1996 or 2000, before everything went full blown unfettered capitalism and progressive nonsense, before the endless wars and the terrorism shit.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:10 pm**

Turkey seems to be the only legal successor to The Roman Empire. From The Byzantine Empire to The Ottomans and then to the Kemalist Turkey

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:10 pm**

Painisia wrote:Turkey seems to be the only legal successor to The Roman Empire. From The Byzantine Empire to The Ottomans and then to the Kemalist Turkey

No.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:11 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Painisia wrote:Turkey seems to be the only legal successor to The Roman Empire. From The Byzantine Empire to The Ottomans and then to the Kemalist Turkey

No.

This.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:12 pm**

Genivaria wrote: Populist Roman Republic to be precise, down with the out of touch Patricians!

Consul Gracchus was a gud boi, if only he had lived! A true liberator!

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