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Which Japanese Shogunate was the most glorious?

Kamakura Shogunate
16
4%
Ashikaga Shogunate
21
5%
Tokugawa Shogunate
125
28%
MacArthur Shogunate :')
291
64%
 
Total votes : 453

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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:51 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Napoleon's only mistake was not remaining first consul and/or emphasizing that his position as emperor was as a Roman primus inter pares

And cheating on Josephine.

Josephine shot first.

The French cheated on everyone. Even the Spanish.
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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:51 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I can stop nothing, TEM. I am but a vessel for the duplicitous destiny handed down by many generations of Anglo forefathers.


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Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:Unsurprisingly, the ACLU has shown itself to be gutless. The first but definitely not the last. In order to stop government spying on social media, email and of course us reporting each other, it recommends giving into gun control. Gun control is of course the reason Uncle Sam wants to look in on your privacy rather than being the latest excuse. No doubt we will be back to the claims of "muh terrorism", the Ivan's or the good old " if you've got nothing to hide". Why fight spying when you can cave? The modern progressives everyone.

>> believing in privacy

Good one, old timer. You are a very funny man. =^)


I REMEMBER WHEN IT EXISTED AND COPS NEEDED WARRANTS

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I suppose we can only hope progressives make the secret police as weak and worthless as they've made real police :^)

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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:52 am

Fahran wrote:So you'll support the perpetual dictatorship of James Norman Mattis Arabicus Caesar as long as he compares himself to Aurelian? Excellent. Let me just get that in writing. Sign here, here, and here.

Fucking signed in an instant.
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Josephine shot first.

True, but two wrongs don't make a right and all that jazz. As Napoleon lamented in exile, "I loved my Josephine, but I did not respect her."
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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:52 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Fahran wrote:That Corsican upstart?

Says the girl who wants a republic with a natural aristocracy.

Wait? Is CM moving to the right of even me? :p

Napoleon's only mistake was not remaining first consul and/or emphasizing that his position as emperor was as a Roman primus inter pares

And cheating on Josephine.


>Thinking a skrub like Josephine was worthy of the Emperor

Napoleon's only mistake was not going further.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:53 am

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Josephine shot first.

The French cheated on everyone. Even the Spanish.

AFAIK, Empress Maria Louise was fairly loyal to Napoleon, as was Marie Antoinette to Louis.

Both Austrians, of course.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:54 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Fahran wrote:So you'll support the perpetual dictatorship of James Norman Mattis Arabicus Caesar as long as he compares himself to Aurelian? Excellent. Let me just get that in writing. Sign here, here, and here.

Fucking signed in an instant.
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Josephine shot first.

True, but two wrongs don't make a right and all that jazz. As Napoleon lamented in exile, "I loved my Josephine, but I did not respect her."

Serves Nappy right, he trusted a woman.
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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:55 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Fahran wrote:We're turning CM into an agrarian. I approve.

One day, the entire RWDT will live in a comfy commune with me.


It'll be a cold day in hell before I let Southerners live near my precious corn fields

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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:56 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The South Falls wrote:The French cheated on everyone. Even the Spanish.

AFAIK, Empress Maria Louise was fairly loyal to Napoleon, as was Marie Antoinette to Louis.

Both Austrians, of course.

Austrians were somewhat loyal in history.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:57 am

The East Marches II wrote:I REMEMBER WHEN IT EXISTED AND COPS NEEDED WARRANTS

I bet you remember what it was like to not be raped at the airport too.
I suppose we can only hope progressives make the secret police as weak and worthless as they've made real police :^)

>> blaming us for police being worthless

We're not the deficit hawks pushing police to give out speeding tickets instead of dealing with actual crimes. =^)
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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:58 am

The South Falls wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:AFAIK, Empress Maria Louise was fairly loyal to Napoleon, as was Marie Antoinette to Louis.

Both Austrians, of course.

Austrians were somewhat loyal in history.


Why yes of course. Thank you sir for realizing a historical truth. I thank you for it.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:58 am

The South Falls wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:AFAIK, Empress Maria Louise was fairly loyal to Napoleon, as was Marie Antoinette to Louis.

Both Austrians, of course.

Austrians were somewhat loyal in history.

Yes, they're one of the few nations that did (almost) nothing wrong.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:58 am

The East Marches II wrote:
>Thinking a skrub like Josephine was worthy of the Emperor

Napoleon's only mistake was not going further.

He really spiraled into misogyny after he found out she was cheating on him in Egypt, it's quite remarkable.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:58 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Austrians were somewhat loyal in history.

Yes, they're one of the few nations that did (almost) nothing wrong.

And then they grew into Austria-Hungary. AND IT ALL CHANGED.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:59 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:I REMEMBER WHEN IT EXISTED AND COPS NEEDED WARRANTS

I bet you remember what it was like to not be raped at the airport too.
I suppose we can only hope progressives make the secret police as weak and worthless as they've made real police :^)

>> blaming us for police being worthless

We're not the deficit hawks pushing police to give out speeding tickets instead of dealing with actual crimes. =^)

You're on a roll with these links.
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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:59 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
>Thinking a skrub like Josephine was worthy of the Emperor

Napoleon's only mistake was not going further.

He really spiraled into misogyny after he found out she was cheating on him in Egypt, it's quite remarkable.


>Spiraled into misogyny
>An Italian

Bad new Anon

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:59 am

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes, they're one of the few nations that did (almost) nothing wrong.

And then they grew into Austria-Hungary. AND IT ALL CHANGED.

Wrong, it was going good until they overthrew Kaiser Karl.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:00 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
>Thinking a skrub like Josephine was worthy of the Emperor

Napoleon's only mistake was not going further.

He really spiraled into misogyny after he found out she was cheating on him in Egypt, it's quite remarkable.


Any quotes?

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:00 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
>Thinking a skrub like Josephine was worthy of the Emperor

Napoleon's only mistake was not going further.

He really spiraled into misogyny after he found out she was cheating on him in Egypt, it's quite remarkable.

Tbh, it's pretty understandable. How could you not be a misogynist after your wife, who you thought loved you dearly, cheated on you?
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:01 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The South Falls wrote:And then they grew into Austria-Hungary. AND IT ALL CHANGED.

Wrong, it was going good until they overthrew Kaiser Karl.

I wouldn't say failing at WWI and being highly incompetent was good.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:01 am

The South Falls wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Wrong, it was going good until they overthrew Kaiser Karl.

I wouldn't say failing at WWI and being highly incompetent was good.

Yeah, WWI was pretty bad, but they didn't do horribly in it; it wasn't really the Kaiser's fault anyway.

I also meant on a more personal level. The love story between Karl von Habsburg and his wife is incredibly sweet. She was so devastated when he died that she wore black and didn't remarry for the rest of her life (an impressive feat given she was only 29).
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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:02 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:I REMEMBER WHEN IT EXISTED AND COPS NEEDED WARRANTS

I bet you remember what it was like to not be raped at the airport too.
I suppose we can only hope progressives make the secret police as weak and worthless as they've made real police :^)

>> blaming us for police being worthless

We're not the deficit hawks pushing police to give out speeding tickets instead of dealing with actual crimes. =^)


*Points to the South Side*

No my friend, it's far past that point.

"We can't police minorities because it's racist to infringe of non-normative cultural values :^)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))"

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I-I r-remember when the pilots used to let kids in the cockpit too

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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:05 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The South Falls wrote:I wouldn't say failing at WWI and being highly incompetent was good.

Yeah, WWI was pretty bad, but they didn't do horribly in it; it wasn't really the Kaiser's fault anyway.

I also meant on a more personal level. The love story between Karl von Habsburg and his wife is incredibly sweet. She was so devastated when he died that she wore black and didn't remarry for the rest of her life (an impressive feat given she was only 29).

Oh. Well, Kaiser Karl was a fine man, but maybe not the best king.
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Postby Fahran » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:06 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:Aristocratic republicanism is acceptable at a city-state level. Historical precedent suggests that any significantly larger state either needs to be highly decentralised or a monarchy. See the fate of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Confederate States and the late Roman Republic.

I'm not really in favor of an entrenched or formal aristocracy necessarily, but rather I believe that society should elevate and be governed, when and where possible, by its best, brightest, noblest, and most lofty. Early America provides an example, though, of course, such a system must be adjusted to accommodate modern realities. A cultural shift is a prerequisite to elevating our discourse in the political sphere and all other spheres.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:06 am

The South Falls wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yeah, WWI was pretty bad, but they didn't do horribly in it; it wasn't really the Kaiser's fault anyway.

I also meant on a more personal level. The love story between Karl von Habsburg and his wife is incredibly sweet. She was so devastated when he died that she wore black and didn't remarry for the rest of her life (an impressive feat given she was only 29).

Oh. Well, Kaiser Karl was a fine man, but maybe not the best king.

He wasn't a bad king either, his attempts to negotiate peace were very admirable, and it's one reason he's been beatified by the Catholic Church.
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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:07 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The South Falls wrote:I wouldn't say failing at WWI and being highly incompetent was good.

Yeah, WWI was pretty bad, but they didn't do horribly in it; it wasn't really the Kaiser's fault anyway.

I also meant on a more personal level. The love story between Karl von Habsburg and his wife is incredibly sweet. She was so devastated when he died that she wore black and didn't remarry for the rest of her life (an impressive feat given she was only 29).


No they did fucking awful overall in the great war. Karl's good idea was removing the tool that butchered millions for no gain. Von Hötzendorf was a disaster. All the stupid memes the left has let slander Haig should be applied to Hötzendorf. He really was that guy. Kaiser Franz Josef bears extreme guilt for having let him continue his shit show.

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