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Which Japanese Shogunate was the most glorious?

Kamakura Shogunate
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Ashikaga Shogunate
21
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Tokugawa Shogunate
125
28%
MacArthur Shogunate :')
291
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Postby Uxupox » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:10 pm

Torrocca wrote:
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If we go by United Nations definition then no it's not genocidal to do a forced population migration however it is illegal and considered ethnic cleansing.


"Amnesty International also interviewed residents from Ras al-Ayn and the village of Tel Diyab in Ras al-Ayn countryside who said that they had been forcibly displaced by the YPG and Asayish, the Autonomous Administration’s police force, and that their property had been destroyed or confiscated, though they said that they – and not the entire community – were singled out for this treatment.

While the majority of residents affected by these unlawful practices are Arabs and Turkmen, in some cases, for example in the mixed town of Suluk, Kurdish residents have also been barred by the YPG and Asayish from returning to their homes. Elsewhere, for example in Abdi Koy village, a small number of Kurdish residents have also been forcibly displaced by the YPG. Amnesty International researchers also observed that Arab and Turkmen residents continued to reside unmolested in other areas under the control of the Autonomous Administration, including, for example, in the city of Ras al-Ayn, which is predominantly Arab."

From the text itself, it doesn't seem to actually be a case of ethnic cleansing, either.


Forceful displacement and forceful migration of a population is considered ethnic cleansing by the UN.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:14 pm

Uxupox wrote:
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"Amnesty International also interviewed residents from Ras al-Ayn and the village of Tel Diyab in Ras al-Ayn countryside who said that they had been forcibly displaced by the YPG and Asayish, the Autonomous Administration’s police force, and that their property had been destroyed or confiscated, though they said that they – and not the entire community – were singled out for this treatment.

While the majority of residents affected by these unlawful practices are Arabs and Turkmen, in some cases, for example in the mixed town of Suluk, Kurdish residents have also been barred by the YPG and Asayish from returning to their homes. Elsewhere, for example in Abdi Koy village, a small number of Kurdish residents have also been forcibly displaced by the YPG. Amnesty International researchers also observed that Arab and Turkmen residents continued to reside unmolested in other areas under the control of the Autonomous Administration, including, for example, in the city of Ras al-Ayn, which is predominantly Arab."

From the text itself, it doesn't seem to actually be a case of ethnic cleansing, either.


Forceful displacement and forceful migration of a population is considered ethnic cleansing by the UN.


Only if it's deliberately targeting a specific ethnicity. These forced relocations - as shitty as they are - aren't being aimed at any one specific ethnic group. Even Kurds have endured this, as I literally just quoted from the text.
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Postby Reikoku » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:15 pm

Joohan wrote:
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> when you're a relatively conservative religious person who constantly attacks liberal theology and manic egalitarianism.

Lol alright buddy. You just keep pretending that everyone who's not far-right is an anarchist like your friend Richard Spencer.


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Can't really straw man your post when your entire post is just a strawman of mine.

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Postby Joohan » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:16 pm

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Diopolis isn't a fascist-

Wait... yes he is... I forgot... everything right of anarchy is fascism!


Dio's pretty much incredibly Fascistic in regards to his ideological beliefs. At the very least, if Fascist is too icky a word for you, he's a Hyper-Authoritarian Theocrat.


The core tenats necessary for fascism are as follows: Fuhrerprincip ( absolute power in a single ruler ), single-party rule, corporate economy, militarism, nationalism.

I don't recall Dio ever advocating for a single all powerful ruler, so there is one strike. As far as I can tell he has never supported single party rule over the nation ( quite frankly, I think he hates party politics ), so that's strike two. He is a distributist not a corporatist, strike three.

In regards to nationalism and militarism, I really don't know his stances.

Dio isn't a fascist, or perhaps not even inspired by it's principles and ideas. He is a Conservative ( traditional sense of the word ) Catholic who takes his social teachings seriously. This is a starkly different position than that of fascism.

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Postby Joohan » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:17 pm

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Can't really straw man your post when your entire post is just a strawman of mine.


You compared Dio's ideology with fascism - when it clearly isn't. Just pointing out how ridiculous you were.

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Postby Uxupox » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:18 pm

Torrocca wrote:
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Forceful displacement and forceful migration of a population is considered ethnic cleansing by the UN.


Only if it's deliberately targeting a specific ethnicity. These forced relocations - as shitty as they are - aren't being aimed at any one specific ethnic group. Even Kurds have endured this, as I literally just quoted from the text.


Not at all. You could target multiple ethnicities or religious groups. In fact we don't know in which particularities the Kurdish that were removed were part of. They could have been Sunni, Shia, Yabidi or something else entirely. Or maybe if they were Sunni then they were targeted specifically since ISIS likes to recruit from that religious demographic.
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Postby Reikoku » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:23 pm

Joohan wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Can't really straw man your post when your entire post is just a strawman of mine.


You compared Dio's ideology with fascism - when it clearly isn't. Just pointing out how ridiculous you were.


Oh don't play that bloody game. Your post pretty clearly insinuated that I was some triggered leftist who thought anything right of communism was fascist. As though Dio's ideas are anywhere near the mainstream right-wing.

I compared one self-admitted totalitarian who supports militarism, corporatism, and Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories to another one.
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Well, we can both agree that big businesses can create trouble. Especially if they get a hold on our politicians

I'm very totalitarian for a distributist.
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But why didn't distributism experience a rise in the late 19th and early 20th century? And why is it very unknown today?

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Postby Joohan » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:29 pm

Reikoku wrote:
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You compared Dio's ideology with fascism - when it clearly isn't. Just pointing out how ridiculous you were.


Oh don't play that bloody game. Your post pretty clearly insinuated that I was some triggered leftist who thought anything right of communism was fascist. As though Dio's ideas are anywhere near the mainstream right-wing.

I compared one self-admitted totalitarian who supports militarism, corporatism, and Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories to another one.
Diopolis wrote:I'm very totalitarian for a distributist.
Diopolis wrote:Jewish capitalism and freemasonic processes colluded to destroy western culture.


Those posts said nothing of militarism or corporatism, and being totalitarian when compared to most distributists does not necessarily mean you are totalitarian. I don't know his thought's on judaism, but anti-semetism is not a tenet of fascism.

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Postby Reikoku » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:36 pm

Joohan wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Oh don't play that bloody game. Your post pretty clearly insinuated that I was some triggered leftist who thought anything right of communism was fascist. As though Dio's ideas are anywhere near the mainstream right-wing.

I compared one self-admitted totalitarian who supports militarism, corporatism, and Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories to another one.


Those posts said nothing of militarism or corporatism, and being totalitarian when compared to most distributists does not necessarily mean you are totalitarian. I don't know his thought's on judaism, but anti-semetism is not a tenet of fascism.


Distributism is a form of corporatism, calling for a return to the guild system and class collaboration, as opposed to free market capitalism or Marxist class conflict. Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about "Jewish capitalism" are a big part of Fascism. His argument with Torra stemmed from support for militarism and ultra-conservative gender roles.

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:48 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Only if it's deliberately targeting a specific ethnicity. These forced relocations - as shitty as they are - aren't being aimed at any one specific ethnic group. Even Kurds have endured this, as I literally just quoted from the text.


Not at all. You could target multiple ethnicities or religious groups. In fact we don't know in which particularities the Kurdish that were removed were part of. They could have been Sunni, Shia, Yabidi or something else entirely. Or maybe if they were Sunni then they were targeted specifically since ISIS likes to recruit from that religious demographic.


Considering also that they're not relocating everyone within these ten villages - and of those relocated, it's only people believed to harbor ISIS sympathies or whatnot, with no particular regards to their ethnicities - I'd still argue it's not a case of ethnic cleansing.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:04 pm

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:20 pm

Awesome, now Vietnam memes are a bannable offense. What a fucking joke lol

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:22 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Awesome, now Vietnam memes are a bannable offense. What a fucking joke lol

You gotta read the quote chain to understand it.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:23 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Awesome, now Vietnam memes are a bannable offense. What a fucking joke lol

You gotta read the quote chain to understand it.


I went back several pages.

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:26 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Awesome, now Vietnam memes are a bannable offense. What a fucking joke lol


More like, advocating for the death of peaceful anti-war protestors is a bannable offense.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:27 pm

Painisia wrote:What is RWDT`s stance on the 1960s social counterrevolution?

Oil exporting People wrote:
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Exactly. Forgot the word


Ah, gotcha. As for the question, the National Guard shouldn't have stopped with just Kent State.

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Painisia wrote:What is RWDT`s stance on the 1960s social counterrevolution?

We're still feeling the aftereffects to this day, almost all of which are overwhelmingly negative. Civil rights for blacks? Good. A widespread "if it feels good, why not do it in the road" mentality with regards to sexuality and drug use that's basically only gotten worse since then? Not so good.

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Ah, gotcha. As for the question, the National Guard shouldn't have stopped with just Kent State.

You can't just send the troops in to shoot up everyone you don't like. That wouldn't have helped things back then.

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Northeast American Federation wrote:You can't just send the troops in to shoot up everyone you don't like. That wouldn't have helped things back then.


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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:28 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Awesome, now Vietnam memes are a bannable offense. What a fucking joke lol

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:28 pm

No I see it. I also see that rules like that one are applied so randomly and arbitrarily as to be meaningless.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:29 pm

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Greater Cesnica wrote:So Mesopotamia never existed?

Wasn't the Mesopotamian civilization something like 5,000 years ago? Even Jericho, IIRC, isn't thought to be founded more than about 8,000 years ago.
This timeline would put mesopotamian, egyptian, indus valley, and chinese civilizations as arising in the first few generations after the flood.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:31 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Wasn't the Mesopotamian civilization something like 5,000 years ago? Even Jericho, IIRC, isn't thought to be founded more than about 8,000 years ago.
This timeline would put mesopotamian, egyptian, indus valley, and chinese civilizations as arising in the first few generations after the flood.

So the Kebaran never existed?

I never knew they did. Never even heard of them.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:33 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:Awesome, now Vietnam memes are a bannable offense. What a fucking joke lol


More like, advocating for the death of peaceful anti-war protestors is a bannable offense.


Lets be real, if advocating death was a serious rule that was actually applied you'd be DOS lol

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Postby Uxupox » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:34 pm

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Not at all. You could target multiple ethnicities or religious groups. In fact we don't know in which particularities the Kurdish that were removed were part of. They could have been Sunni, Shia, Yabidi or something else entirely. Or maybe if they were Sunni then they were targeted specifically since ISIS likes to recruit from that religious demographic.


Considering also that they're not relocating everyone within these ten villages - and of those relocated, it's only people believed to harbor ISIS sympathies or whatnot, with no particular regards to their ethnicities - I'd still argue it's not a case of ethnic cleansing.


The fact that they are relocating specific types of people particularly of those of the Sunni religion is alarming. Particularly since they are using the excuse of having ISIS sympathies even when they are not substantiated with evidence. The United States did this with the Japanese as they were determinted to be believed as IJ sympathizers. The Greeks and Turkish with the exchange of Orthodox and Sunni population on the basis of "stability". Amongst many others with similar excuses.
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Postby Reikoku » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:34 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:Then they came for the nationalists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a nationalist.


TFW a nationalist but never been banned once.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:35 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Then they came for the nationalists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a nationalist.


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Uxupox wrote:Sunni religion

Sunnism isn't a religion
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