Right Wing Discussion Thread XIII: Do the Right thing

[Kaggeceria]

Davincia plz no

It is too late for me. Once you hit the bottom-right corner of the political compass, there's no going back.

Come with me, my brother. Join the authoritarian side.

We have paramilitaries and helicopters.

[Torrocca]

PHILOSOPHICALLY-SANCTIONED CHILD SLAVES IS NOT WILD OR REBELLIOUS ND

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Northern Davincia]

It is too late for me. Once you hit the bottom-right corner of the political compass, there's no going back.

Come with me, my brother. Join the authoritarian side.

We have paramilitaries and helicopters.

[Second Empire of America]

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I see communists and capitalists putting aside their differences and uniting against fascism, while libertarians misguidedly help the fascists because they misunderstand the term "free speech".

[Oil exporting People]

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I see communists and capitalists putting aside their differences and uniting against fascism, while libertarians misguidedly help the fascists because they misunderstand the term "free speech".

This line of cognitive dissonance will be amusing to hear.

[Dumb Ideologies]

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I see communists and capitalists putting aside their differences and uniting against fascism, while libertarians misguidedly help the fascists because they misunderstand the term "free speech".

If you pay any attention to the finer details in the glances and expressions it's very clear that in panel 4 Mr Ancap's expression is reacting to Mr Commie and Mr Fash abandoning the tug of war and making ideologically ascended gay babies together.

[Demopolitania]

Classical liberals have always understood "liberty" as the license to impose their will on others. Some of them are just finally becoming honest enough to say outloud what they've always meant.

[Trumptonium1]

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I see communists and capitalists putting aside their differences and uniting against fascism, while libertarians misguidedly help the fascists because they misunderstand the term "free speech".

Those are not capitalists those are the elite.

Libertarians are as fking capitalist as you can get.

[Painisia]

So National Syndicalism is basically the same as corporatism or is it more of a Third Position Authoritarian ideology? Haven't got quite into it.

[Mattopilos II]

I see communists and capitalists putting aside their differences and uniting against fascism, while libertarians misguidedly help the fascists because they misunderstand the term "free speech".

Those are not capitalists those are the elite.

Libertarians are as fking capitalist as you can get.

If Libertarians are as capitalist as you can get, then I think they act as their own anti-capitalist propaganda pieces.

[Mattopilos II]

So National Syndicalism is basically the same as corporatism or is it more of a Third Position Authoritarian ideology? Haven't got quite into it.

Both are pretty close.

[Painisia]

So National Syndicalism is basically the same as corporatism or is it more of a Third Position Authoritarian ideology? Haven't got quite into it.

Both are pretty close.

If you cut out the authoritarian and violence-inciting part of fascist corporatism, then it sounds decent for me. No class warfare, just peace between labour unions, market entrepreneurs and the state

[Mattopilos II]

Both are pretty close.

If you cut out the authoritarian and violence-inciting part of fascist corporatism, then it sounds decent for me. No class warfare, just peace between labour unions, market entrepreneurs and the state

That just sounds like a non-fascist form of corporatism.

[Painisia]

If you cut out the authoritarian and violence-inciting part of fascist corporatism, then it sounds decent for me. No class warfare, just peace between labour unions, market entrepreneurs and the state

That just sounds like a non-fascist form of corporatism.

I would say most Western European countries has corporatist system in it. The Nordic countries, in my opinion, has a very social democratic system. The state undertakes a lot of businesses here in Norway. Social democracy sounds good for me, but the problem is that people will become too dependent on welfare give outs. You need to have some will to become independent. But I am not subscribing to the Objectivist rubbish.

[Genivaria]

If you cut out the authoritarian and violence-inciting part of fascist corporatism, then it sounds decent for me. No class warfare, just peace between labour unions, market entrepreneurs and the state

That just sounds like a non-fascist form of corporatism.

I see nothing wrong with this honestly.

[Torrocca]

Those are not capitalists those are the elite.

Libertarians are as fking capitalist as you can get.

If Libertarians are as capitalist as you can get, then I think they act as their own anti-capitalist propaganda pieces.

Child slaves are the absolute pinnacle of Capitalism, though! Have you learned nothing from the sacred Libertarian texts?!?!

[Fahran]

I would say I’m shocked but I would be lying.

Honestly, pronouns beyond he, she, and they strike me as superfluous. Gender is a social construct that manifests in appearance, behavior, sexuality, social roles, etc. It's not just a feeling or identity specific to the individual. If you describe your gender as "warm and fuzzy yet nameless" as some do, I'm going to consider you ridiculous and I'm not going to respect pronouns that warp conventional language beyond a reasonable limit to appease a single person who, if we're being honest, is kind of irritating. And that's not to say I won't refer to people who are trans or gender neutral by their proper pronouns. I absolutely will.

[Fahran]

To me, indigenous also denotes hunter-gatherer/horticultural society. Agrarian and post-agrarian societies originate from technology and tend to be at odds with the land the lands they occupy.

You're falling back on the myth of the noble savage and the more mystical branches of ecological activism. The relationship between mankind and nature is as adversarial as that of any other animal. We simply happen to have become more capable of sating our appetites at the expense of other organisms and the ecosystem than them. Hunter-gatherers likely drove hundreds of species to extinction as their populations expanded.

Non-white Jews, Arabs, Druze, Africans, and other non-white people all end up as de facto second-, third-, or fourth-class citizens somewhere on Israel's spectrum of subhumanity. Nation-states were designed as tools for specific institutions to exert hegemony over specific cultural groups, they are inherently predisposed to the oppression of out-groups.

Hierarchy is an inevitable result of society in general. Even in pluralistic societies, some of the same groups you referenced wind up as second or third class citizens. Again, I'm open to criticizing the Israeli government and Israeli society, but I'm still a Zionist. The alternative is pogroms, genocide, and/or assimilation.

The examples you cite didn't work because those countries were nation-states and much like Israel only adopted the language of equality and toleration as a thin veneer to disguise the realities of ethnocentric oppression. They were no more experiments in National Personal Autonomy than North Korea is a experiment in democracy.

"No True Scotsman."

[Torrocca]

The examples you cite didn't work because those countries were nation-states and much like Israel only adopted the language of equality and toleration as a thin veneer to disguise the realities of ethnocentric oppression. They were no more experiments in National Personal Autonomy than North Korea is a experiment in democracy.

"No True Scotsman."

"No true Scotsman or appeal to purity is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample."

"The Austromarxist principle of national personal autonomy ("personal principle"), developed by Otto Bauer in his 1907 book Die Nationalitätenfrage und die Sozialdemokratie (The Nationalities Question and Social Democracy) was seen by him a way of gathering the geographically divided members of the same nation to "organize nations not in territorial bodies but in simple association of persons", thus radically disjoining the nation from the territory and making of the nation a non-territorial association.[1]"

[Uxupox]

If Libertarians are as capitalist as you can get, then I think they act as their own anti-capitalist propaganda pieces.

Child slaves are the absolute pinnacle of Capitalism, though! Have you learned nothing from the sacred Libertarian texts?!?!

Child slaves has nothing to do on economical systems of thought. It's more based on cultural values that the people uphold or believe in.

[Torrocca]

Child slaves are the absolute pinnacle of Capitalism, though! Have you learned nothing from the sacred Libertarian texts?!?!

Child slaves has nothing to do on economical systems of thought. It's more based on cultural values that the people uphold or believe in.

Someone clearly missed the part where Rothbard advocated that child slaves would be acceptable under his form of Capitalism. :^)

[Distruzio]

Davincia plz no

It is too late for me. Once you hit the bottom-right corner of the political compass, there's no going back.

I don't know about that.... I was prrrreeeettttty far into the AnCap rabbit hole before I clawed my way out of it.

Took a while. Wasn't pleasant. But I'm happy to have escaped.

[Diopolis]

It is too late for me. Once you hit the bottom-right corner of the political compass, there's no going back.

I don't know about that.... I was prrrreeeettttty far into the AnCap rabbit hole before I clawed my way out of it.

Took a while. Wasn't pleasant. But I'm happy to have escaped.

What are you now, if you don't mind me asking?

[Distruzio]

So National Syndicalism is basically the same as corporatism or is it more of a Third Position Authoritarian ideology? Haven't got quite into it.

National Syndicalism would best describe as Italian Fascism pre-war.

[Distruzio]

I don't know about that.... I was prrrreeeettttty far into the AnCap rabbit hole before I clawed my way out of it.

Took a while. Wasn't pleasant. But I'm happy to have escaped.

What are you now, if you don't mind me asking?

Just conservative.

I've simply come to appreciate the utility of the State, rather than reject it as an immoral affront to the sanctity of God. It can be, as with most things. I realized that the utopia in my head was not reality.