Right Wing Discussion Thread XIII: Do the Right thing

[Torrocca]

"Amnesty International also interviewed residents from Ras al-Ayn and the village of Tel Diyab in Ras al-Ayn countryside who said that they had been forcibly displaced by the YPG and Asayish, the Autonomous Administration’s police force, and that their property had been destroyed or confiscated, though they said that they – and not the entire community – were singled out for this treatment.

While the majority of residents affected by these unlawful practices are Arabs and Turkmen, in some cases, for example in the mixed town of Suluk, Kurdish residents have also been barred by the YPG and Asayish from returning to their homes. Elsewhere, for example in Abdi Koy village, a small number of Kurdish residents have also been forcibly displaced by the YPG. Amnesty International researchers also observed that Arab and Turkmen residents continued to reside unmolested in other areas under the control of the Autonomous Administration, including, for example, in the city of Ras al-Ayn, which is predominantly Arab."

From the text itself, it doesn't seem to actually be a case of ethnic cleansing, either.

Forceful displacement and forceful migration of a population is considered ethnic cleansing by the UN.

Only if it's deliberately targeting a specific ethnicity. These forced relocations - as shitty as they are - aren't being aimed at any one specific ethnic group. Even Kurds have endured this, as I literally just quoted from the text.

[Reikoku]

> when you're a relatively conservative religious person who constantly attacks liberal theology and manic egalitarianism.

Lol alright buddy. You just keep pretending that everyone who's not far-right is an anarchist like your friend Richard Spencer.

Can't really straw man your post when your entire post is just a strawman of mine.

[Joohan]

Diopolis isn't a fascist-

Wait... yes he is... I forgot... everything right of anarchy is fascism!

Dio's pretty much incredibly Fascistic in regards to his ideological beliefs. At the very least, if Fascist is too icky a word for you, he's a Hyper-Authoritarian Theocrat.

The core tenats necessary for fascism are as follows: Fuhrerprincip ( absolute power in a single ruler ), single-party rule, corporate economy, militarism, nationalism.

I don't recall Dio ever advocating for a single all powerful ruler, so there is one strike. As far as I can tell he has never supported single party rule over the nation ( quite frankly, I think he hates party politics ), so that's strike two. He is a distributist not a corporatist, strike three.

In regards to nationalism and militarism, I really don't know his stances.

Dio isn't a fascist, or perhaps not even inspired by it's principles and ideas. He is a Conservative ( traditional sense of the word ) Catholic who takes his social teachings seriously. This is a starkly different position than that of fascism.

[Joohan]

Can't really straw man your post when your entire post is just a strawman of mine.

You compared Dio's ideology with fascism - when it clearly isn't. Just pointing out how ridiculous you were.

[Uxupox]

Forceful displacement and forceful migration of a population is considered ethnic cleansing by the UN.

Only if it's deliberately targeting a specific ethnicity. These forced relocations - as shitty as they are - aren't being aimed at any one specific ethnic group. Even Kurds have endured this, as I literally just quoted from the text.

Not at all. You could target multiple ethnicities or religious groups. In fact we don't know in which particularities the Kurdish that were removed were part of. They could have been Sunni, Shia, Yabidi or something else entirely. Or maybe if they were Sunni then they were targeted specifically since ISIS likes to recruit from that religious demographic.

[Reikoku]

Can't really straw man your post when your entire post is just a strawman of mine.

You compared Dio's ideology with fascism - when it clearly isn't. Just pointing out how ridiculous you were.

Oh don't play that bloody game. Your post pretty clearly insinuated that I was some triggered leftist who thought anything right of communism was fascist. As though Dio's ideas are anywhere near the mainstream right-wing.

I compared one self-admitted totalitarian who supports militarism, corporatism, and Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories to another one.

Well, we can both agree that big businesses can create trouble. Especially if they get a hold on our politicians

I'm very totalitarian for a distributist.

But why didn't distributism experience a rise in the late 19th and early 20th century? And why is it very unknown today?

Jewish capitalism and freemasonic processes colluded to destroy western culture.

[Joohan]

You compared Dio's ideology with fascism - when it clearly isn't. Just pointing out how ridiculous you were.

Oh don't play that bloody game. Your post pretty clearly insinuated that I was some triggered leftist who thought anything right of communism was fascist. As though Dio's ideas are anywhere near the mainstream right-wing.

I compared one self-admitted totalitarian who supports militarism, corporatism, and Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories to another one.

I'm very totalitarian for a distributist.

Jewish capitalism and freemasonic processes colluded to destroy western culture.

Those posts said nothing of militarism or corporatism, and being totalitarian when compared to most distributists does not necessarily mean you are totalitarian. I don't know his thought's on judaism, but anti-semetism is not a tenet of fascism.

[Reikoku]

Oh don't play that bloody game. Your post pretty clearly insinuated that I was some triggered leftist who thought anything right of communism was fascist. As though Dio's ideas are anywhere near the mainstream right-wing.

I compared one self-admitted totalitarian who supports militarism, corporatism, and Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories to another one.

Those posts said nothing of militarism or corporatism, and being totalitarian when compared to most distributists does not necessarily mean you are totalitarian. I don't know his thought's on judaism, but anti-semetism is not a tenet of fascism.

Distributism is a form of corporatism, calling for a return to the guild system and class collaboration, as opposed to free market capitalism or Marxist class conflict. Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about "Jewish capitalism" are a big part of Fascism. His argument with Torra stemmed from support for militarism and ultra-conservative gender roles.

[Torrocca]

Only if it's deliberately targeting a specific ethnicity. These forced relocations - as shitty as they are - aren't being aimed at any one specific ethnic group. Even Kurds have endured this, as I literally just quoted from the text.

Not at all. You could target multiple ethnicities or religious groups. In fact we don't know in which particularities the Kurdish that were removed were part of. They could have been Sunni, Shia, Yabidi or something else entirely. Or maybe if they were Sunni then they were targeted specifically since ISIS likes to recruit from that religious demographic.

Considering also that they're not relocating everyone within these ten villages - and of those relocated, it's only people believed to harbor ISIS sympathies or whatnot, with no particular regards to their ethnicities - I'd still argue it's not a case of ethnic cleansing.

[Farnhamia]

You can't just send the troops in to shoot up everyone you don't like. That wouldn't have helped things back then.

*** 7 day ban for advocating death ***

[Washington Resistance Army]

Awesome, now Vietnam memes are a bannable offense. What a fucking joke lol

[Kubumba Tribe]

Awesome, now Vietnam memes are a bannable offense. What a fucking joke lol

You gotta read the quote chain to understand it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Awesome, now Vietnam memes are a bannable offense. What a fucking joke lol

You gotta read the quote chain to understand it.

I went back several pages.

[Torrocca]

Awesome, now Vietnam memes are a bannable offense. What a fucking joke lol

More like, advocating for the death of peaceful anti-war protestors is a bannable offense.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What is RWDT`s stance on the 1960s social counterrevolution?

Exactly. Forgot the word

Ah, gotcha. As for the question, the National Guard shouldn't have stopped with just Kent State.

What is RWDT`s stance on the 1960s social counterrevolution?

We're still feeling the aftereffects to this day, almost all of which are overwhelmingly negative. Civil rights for blacks? Good. A widespread "if it feels good, why not do it in the road" mentality with regards to sexuality and drug use that's basically only gotten worse since then? Not so good.

Ah, gotcha. As for the question, the National Guard shouldn't have stopped with just Kent State.

You can't just send the troops in to shoot up everyone you don't like. That wouldn't have helped things back then.

You can't just send the troops in to shoot up everyone you don't like. That wouldn't have helped things back then.

You see it now?

[Northern Davincia]

Awesome, now Vietnam memes are a bannable offense. What a fucking joke lol

First they came for the memers, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a memer.
Then they came for the nationalists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a nationalist.
Then they came for OEP, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not OEP.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No I see it. I also see that rules like that one are applied so randomly and arbitrarily as to be meaningless.

[Greater Cesnica]

So Mesopotamia never existed?

Wasn't the Mesopotamian civilization something like 5,000 years ago? Even Jericho, IIRC, isn't thought to be founded more than about 8,000 years ago.
This timeline would put mesopotamian, egyptian, indus valley, and chinese civilizations as arising in the first few generations after the flood.

So the Kebaran never existed?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Wasn't the Mesopotamian civilization something like 5,000 years ago? Even Jericho, IIRC, isn't thought to be founded more than about 8,000 years ago.
This timeline would put mesopotamian, egyptian, indus valley, and chinese civilizations as arising in the first few generations after the flood.

So the Kebaran never existed?

I never knew they did. Never even heard of them.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Awesome, now Vietnam memes are a bannable offense. What a fucking joke lol

More like, advocating for the death of peaceful anti-war protestors is a bannable offense.

Lets be real, if advocating death was a serious rule that was actually applied you'd be DOS lol

[Uxupox]

Not at all. You could target multiple ethnicities or religious groups. In fact we don't know in which particularities the Kurdish that were removed were part of. They could have been Sunni, Shia, Yabidi or something else entirely. Or maybe if they were Sunni then they were targeted specifically since ISIS likes to recruit from that religious demographic.

Considering also that they're not relocating everyone within these ten villages - and of those relocated, it's only people believed to harbor ISIS sympathies or whatnot, with no particular regards to their ethnicities - I'd still argue it's not a case of ethnic cleansing.

The fact that they are relocating specific types of people particularly of those of the Sunni religion is alarming. Particularly since they are using the excuse of having ISIS sympathies even when they are not substantiated with evidence. The United States did this with the Japanese as they were determinted to be believed as IJ sympathizers. The Greeks and Turkish with the exchange of Orthodox and Sunni population on the basis of "stability". Amongst many others with similar excuses.

[Reikoku]

Then they came for the nationalists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a nationalist.

TFW a nationalist but never been banned once.

[Proctopeo]

Then they came for the nationalists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a nationalist.

TFW a nationalist but never been banned once.

Civic or ethnic?
Civic nationalism is suffered more kindly.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Sunni religion

Sunnism isn't a religion

[Reikoku]

TFW a nationalist but never been banned once.

Civic or ethnic?
Civic nationalism is suffered more kindly.

Semi-ethnic. I believe there's undoubtedly an ethnic component to (many) national identities.