Right Wing Discussion Thread XIII: Do the Right thing

[Salus Maior]

You sure seem to be acting self-righteous even if you're sure as shit not presenting yourself as such.

And, regardless, you still forsake the holy words of God above by disregarding Matthew 22-39.

Also I call everyone "guys" so that wasn't a jab at you for whatever reason.

And I disagree with it.

You think that way because I'm talking about a religious argument and automatically people see that as self-righteous. But tell me, find anywhere where I've said anything along the lines of "they should be like me because I'm super Holy".

I'd say if I were to simply accept people falling into sin and leading others into sin on a cultural scale and seeing that as a-ok I wouldn't be loving them considering that distances them from God and puts them in a bad spiritual place.

Of course I should just read that verse in the most flip-floppy saccharin way possible like you do and forgo any kind of extended context that might make that more complicated.

Sorry you do. I'll avoid it in the future.

[Northern Davincia]

Loving your neighbor doesn't mean you have to be tolerant of every action they take.

Bit of a difference between not having a personal tolerance for someone's way of life and actively wanting to deny them the same rights you enjoy.

From a traditionalist point of view, preventing someone from engaging in wrongful action is their version of loving their neighbor.
John 8:11 states that we should be forgiving of sin, but also learn to not commit sin again.

[Kubumba Tribe]

It would be silly for them to believe such, but I don't think that's worthy of reporting. Don't take my word for it.

Amin just spouted that B.S in IDT, and now I find my eyelid twitching.

Show me where I said that marrying 9 year olds is ok.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Salus hasn't forsaken anything. Matthew 19:4-6 condemns divorce, for example.

Can't really love your neighbor as you love yourself if you get angry about their personal lives. :^)

To love your neighbour as you love yourself is to warn them of and guide them from sin.

[Greater Cesnica]

Amin just spouted that B.S in IDT, and now I find my eyelid twitching.

Show me where I said that marrying 9 year olds is ok.

You said "says who" when told marrying nine year olds is bad.

[Reikoku]

Describing Motoori Norinaga as "pacifist" was probably excessive, but he was not interested in warfare, and did not see it as a component of the Japanese spirit. His own view of death was that it was a dirty and impure affair, one that someone should not want to happen, which is at odds with the fascist glorification of it. There is no historical connection between the National Learning movement and actual historical proto-fascism, unless being chauvinistic is enough to make one proto-fash (in which case, Confucianism was also proto-fascist).

Well, I was interpreting it through the lens of how it influenced the rise of ultra-nationalism in World War II Japan. To be fair, though, such a perspective might be considered anachronistic and not an adequate way to understand the attitudes of the Edo Period in its own right.

I have a hard time seeing how the movement could've inspired Nichirenism, which was one of the major political ideologies of secret societies in the 1930's, or the Confucianism which was used to buttress the oppressive state structure.

[Torrocca]

You sure seem to be acting self-righteous even if you're sure as shit not presenting yourself as such.

And, regardless, you still forsake the holy words of God above by disregarding Matthew 22-39.



And I disagree with it.

You think that way because I'm talking about a religious argument and automatically people see that as self-righteous. But tell me, find anywhere where I've said anything along the lines of "they should be like me because I'm super Holy".

I'd say if I were to simply accept people falling into sin and leading others into sin on a cultural scale and seeing that as a-ok I wouldn't be loving them considering that distances them from God and puts them in a bad spiritual place.

Fair enough. I disagree with that, personally, as I'd consider it much more grievous to not allow someone to live freely, so long as they do no harm to themselves nor others, but fair enough.

Of course I should just read that verse in the most flip-floppy saccharin way possible like you do and forgo any kind of extended context that might make that more complicated.

I'd argue that verse is open to more than just one type of interpretation, but I digress.

Sorry you do. I'll avoid it in the future.

Thanks.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Show me where I said that marrying 9 year olds is ok.

You said "says who" when told marrying nine year olds is bad.

Actually I said that to "Marrying 9 year olds is never ok". I was emphasizing the word "never" as I knew the convo was about the Prophet Muhammad SAWS.

[Herskerstad]

Yeah passage sniping does extremely poorly if one is intending to quote Matthew. If one intends to use the bible as an argument then it needs to be consistent with what the bible gives license for. It's obviously not a call for apathy or acceptance of everything that might be undertaken with good intent.

[Oil exporting People]

Conditions in 2005 (which was when the article you linked to a day or two ago) were horrible. They've improved since.

Do you have any citations then? Because this 2014 article asserts much the same the 2005 one did:

Although wary of outsiders and especially the media, the Zapatistas sometimes allow sympathisers and even curious tourists to visit Oventic, a tranquil community in the pine-clad highlands. If allowed entrance by the masked but unarmed guards, visitors may be allowed to speak with the governing council, buy local produce and view a school where children are taught in both Spanish and their native Tzotzil language. Guests who become ill are cared for at the Zapatista-run clinic.

Life in Oventic may appear idyllic, but a visit to nearby Magdalena de la Paz, whose inhabitants live on a basic diet of beans and tortillas, shows poverty remains a real problem. The Zapatistas reject all government handouts, but rely on aid from sympathisers and are vulnerable to "the economic pressures that push the poor from all over Mexico into migrating to the cities", said John Holloway, a professor of sociology at the Autonomous University of Puebla.

With Marcos having kept a low profile in recent years, speculation has mounted that the Zapatistas are a spent force. Mexican journalist Jose Gil Olmos told Al Jazeera they have "stagnated" and "fallen into a natural decline".

Their most recent initiatives, such as a 2006 campaign to unite disaffected groups across the country, "have not had the same impact, at least in Mexico, because the national agenda has changed and there are a much wider number of concerns now", Olmos said. With the drug war and an underperforming economy, the primary concerns of most Mexicans, "the Zapatistas are no longer a priority", he added.

Having a city government isn't particularly against Anarchist ideals. The state and government are two separate ideas.

They left the original city government intact and it still answers to the national government.

[NPCA]

Christian Conservative here.

[Painisia]

What is RWDT`s stance on the 1960s social counterrevolution?

[Oil exporting People]

What is RWDT`s stance on the 1960s social counterrevolution?

Do you mean the counter-culture or something else?

[Painisia]

What is RWDT`s stance on the 1960s social counterrevolution?

Do you mean the counter-culture or something else?

Exactly. Forgot the word

[Oil exporting People]

Do you mean the counter-culture or something else?

Exactly. Forgot the word

Ah, gotcha. As for the question, the National Guard shouldn't have stopped with just Kent State.

[Kowani]

You said "says who" when told marrying nine year olds is bad.

Actually I said that to "Marrying 9 year olds is never ok". I was emphasizing the word "never" as I knew the convo was about the Prophet Muhammad SAWS.

That doesn’t make it okay.
Nobody should be marrying 9 year-olds. I don’t care if it’s Muhammad, the Pope, Buddha, your creepy neighbor from across the street or Jesus on a pogo-stick. Nobody.

[Frievolk]

Actually I said that to "Marrying 9 year olds is never ok". I was emphasizing the word "never" as I knew the convo was about the Prophet Muhammad SAWS.

That doesn’t make it okay.
Nobody should be marrying 9 year-olds. I don’t care if it’s Muhammad, the Pope, Buddha, your creepy neighbor from across the street or Jesus on a pogo-stick. Nobody.

The point Amin is trying to make is to pretend Aisha wasn't 6 or 9 at the time lol.

[Northeast American Federation]

What is RWDT`s stance on the 1960s social counterrevolution?

We're still feeling the aftereffects to this day, almost all of which are overwhelmingly negative. Civil rights for blacks? Good. A widespread "if it feels good, why not do it in the road" mentality with regards to sexuality and drug use that's basically only gotten worse since then? Not so good.

Exactly. Forgot the word

Ah, gotcha. As for the question, the National Guard shouldn't have stopped with just Kent State.

You can't just send the troops in to shoot up everyone you don't like. That wouldn't have helped things back then.

[Bienenhalde]

Same-sex marriage and adoption have been a thing for a couple of years now. Western society hasn't collapsed so far.

It'd take a few generations for any effects to appear. Although really, the damages from the Sexual Revolution are already apparent.

I think high rates of divorce, sexual promiscuity, and pornography viewing are a big problem for our society, but I do not see same-sex marriage as having much of a negative effect.

[Bienenhalde]

Well, I was interpreting it through the lens of how it influenced the rise of ultra-nationalism in World War II Japan. To be fair, though, such a perspective might be considered anachronistic and not an adequate way to understand the attitudes of the Edo Period in its own right.

I have a hard time seeing how the movement could've inspired Nichirenism, which was one of the major political ideologies of secret societies in the 1930's, or the Confucianism which was used to buttress the oppressive state structure.

I have a hard time seeing how extreme anti-Chinese nationalists could support Confucianism.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Actually I said that to "Marrying 9 year olds is never ok". I was emphasizing the word "never" as I knew the convo was about the Prophet Muhammad SAWS.

That doesn’t make it okay.
Nobody should be marrying 9 year-olds. I don’t care if it’s Muhammad, the Pope, Buddha, your creepy neighbor from across the street or Jesus on a pogo-stick. Nobody.

Depends. The creepy neighbor, oh yeah, no. The Pope, well, that depends which one you're talking about. And Prophet Muhammad SAWS didn't marry a 9 year old, he married a 6 year old (according to ijma').

[The Empire of Pretantia]

That doesn’t make it okay.
Nobody should be marrying 9 year-olds. I don’t care if it’s Muhammad, the Pope, Buddha, your creepy neighbor from across the street or Jesus on a pogo-stick. Nobody.

Depends. The creepy neighbor, oh yeah, no. The Pope, well, that depends which one you're talking about. And Prophet Muhammad SAWS didn't marry a 9 year old, he married a 6 year old (according to ijma').

That doesn't help at all. That makes it worse.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Christian Conservative here.

Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatuhu. May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah SWT be upon you. Welcome to the RWDT. We hage loadd of different right-wingers who discuss right-wing stuffs. It can be a lot of fun!

I'm the resident Islamist of the thread. How are you?

[Frievolk]

Depends. The creepy neighbor, oh yeah, no. The Pope, well, that depends which one you're talking about. And Prophet Muhammad SAWS didn't marry a 9 year old, he married a 6 year old (according to ijma').

That doesn't help at all. That makes it worse.

You know how your Sims make a fire while trying to fix up a Salad?
"Muhammad was a pedophile because he married a girl at the age of 9"
"Actually, he wasn't a pedophile. He married a 6 years old girl."

[Northeast American Federation]

That doesn't help at all. That makes it worse.

You know how your Sims make a fire while trying to fix up a Salad?
"Muhammad was a pedophile because he married a girl at the age of 9"
"Actually, he wasn't a pedophile. He married a 6 years old girl."

Somebody get Chris Hansen in here already.....