Right Wing Discussion Thread XIII: Do the Right thing

[Torrocca]

Same-sex marriage and adoption have been a thing for a couple of years now. Western society hasn't collapsed so far.

It'd take a few generations for any effects to appear. Although really, the damages from the Sexual Revolution are already apparent.

The damages, AKA, "people are happier now because they can openly be who they actually are but I'm gonna be bitchy because they don't conform to my rigid, biased standards for how a person should be."

Someone clearly forgot, "judge not lest ye be judged," in their bible studies.

[Torrocca]

What, you and your Catholic pals gonna break out the firearms and start an insurrection because people are getting treated like people?

What ever happened to "love thy neighbor"? Or are we being selective with what the good lord above says?

Strawmanning isn't going to get you anywhere. You really need to learn to drop that habit.

And you ought to watch the hypocrisy when being faithful and yet deciding to judge and control the lives of other.

[Greater Cesnica]

Does that argument apply to a couple of that caliber?

If the couple are dedicated to each other as married couples are supposed to be and not doing sexual revolution bullshit I don't see what the problem would be.

Don't worry, my partner and I aren't one of them SJW crazies

[Uxupox]

Enforcement of what exactly?

Traditional familial roles.

What exactly is the traditional familial roles as defined by psychologists and anthropologists? It changes based on what country, region, culture and society you hail from.

This is the defacto definition as discussed by the sociologists;

The family as an integrated and functional unit of society has for a considerable period of time captured the attention and imagination of researchers.[1] While the family itself is a matter of study, equally important for research is its role as a factor influencing and affecting the development, behavior, and well-being of the individual. The family is a basic unit of study in many social science disciplines, such as sociology, psychology, economics, anthropology, social psychiatry, and social work.[2] It is also a unit of study in the medical sciences especially in understanding the epidemiology and the natural history of diseases. It also forms the basic unit for family medicine. Census definitions of family have varied from country to country and also from census to census within country. The word household has often been used as a replacement for family. Using the definition as “all people living in one household” may be erroneous, as on one hand it may include people who do not share kinship, and on other hand may exclude those kin members who are temporarily away.[3] This type of definition fails to identify units that function as families in an economic, social or emotional sense but do not usually reside in the same household.[4] Although the literature often focuses on family living arrangements, family membership includes obligations across and between generations, no matter where family members are living.

Which of those is your definition of a traditional family?

[Salus Maior]

It'd take a few generations for any effects to appear. Although really, the damages from the Sexual Revolution are already apparent.

The damages, AKA, "people are happier now because they can openly be who they actually are but I'm gonna be bitchy because they don't conform to my rigid, biased standards for how a person should be."

Someone clearly forgot, "judge not lest ye be judged," in their bible studies.

You're a funny guy, Torroca. You really are.

Have you ever read the full passage of "judge not lest ye be judged" or did you just pick that up from Reddit posters trying to tell Christians what to do and how to act?

[Torrocca]

The damages, AKA, "people are happier now because they can openly be who they actually are but I'm gonna be bitchy because they don't conform to my rigid, biased standards for how a person should be."

Someone clearly forgot, "judge not lest ye be judged," in their bible studies.

You're a funny guy, Torroca. You really are.

Gal*, since evidently my signature's not made that obvious enough.

Have you ever read the full passage of "judge not lest ye be judged" or did you just pick that up from Reddit posters trying to tell Christians what to do and how to act?

Yes, and from that it's pretty fucking clear you've got a whole damn tree log stuck in your eye in regards to your views on other people's sexual orientations.

[Camelone]

The damages, AKA, "people are happier now because they can openly be who they actually are but I'm gonna be bitchy because they don't conform to my rigid, biased standards for how a person should be."

Someone clearly forgot, "judge not lest ye be judged," in their bible studies.

You're a funny guy, Torroca. You really are.

Have you ever read the full passage of "judge not lest ye be judged" or did you just pick that up from Reddit posters trying to tell Christians what to do and how to act?

We know the answer already, it's a common "gotcha" trope that with a little actual reading falls on its face.

[Reikoku]

Does that argument apply to a couple of that caliber?

If the couple are dedicated to each other as married couples are supposed to be and not doing sexual revolution bullshit I don't see what the problem would be.

What about transwomen who have children naturally with ciswomen?

[Greater Cesnica]

If the couple are dedicated to each other as married couples are supposed to be and not doing sexual revolution bullshit I don't see what the problem would be.

What about transwomen who have children naturally with ciswomen?

Are they dedicated to just living a normal family life?

[Northern Davincia]

Obviously, a man should contribute to housework, but his role is that of breadwinner, first and foremost.

Oh how about no, and we not force people to conform to gender roles?

I'm not forcing anyone to conform. I have no reason to stray from what is tried and true, however.

[Reikoku]

What about transwomen who have children naturally with ciswomen?

Are they dedicated to just living a normal family life?

If "normal family life" is two women wedded together, then I imagine yes.

[Greater Cesnica]

Are they dedicated to just living a normal family life?

If "normal family life" is two women wedded together, then I imagine yes.

no problem with it then

[Salus Maior]

You're a funny guy, Torroca. You really are.

Gal*, since evidently my signature's not made that obvious enough.

Have you ever read the full passage of "judge not lest ye be judged" or did you just pick that up from Reddit posters trying to tell Christians what to do and how to act?

Yes, and from that it's pretty fucking clear you've got a whole damn tree log stuck in your eye in regards to your views on other people's sexual orientations.

The whole "log in the eye" and "judge and ye be judge" bits are extensions of Christ's criticisms of the Pharisees, who Christ made a point of criticizing harshly the fact that they live sinful lives yet present themselves as totally righteous and criticize everyone else for being sinful. I'm not presenting myself as righteous, none of this is about me (tbh at the moment I'm pretty woefully in a bad place spiritually speaking, I'm definitely not better than anyone else), it's about the wider cultural moral standard that's been eroded away and continues to be eroded.

Also I call everyone "guys" so that wasn't a jab at you for whatever reason.

[Northern Davincia]

There's a solid case to be made for traditional family structures. Children in single-parent households are more likely to be suicidal, violent, and antisocial.

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about homosexual people adopting children?

Having two parents is better than one.

[Greater Cesnica]

Gal*, since evidently my signature's not made that obvious enough.



Yes, and from that it's pretty fucking clear you've got a whole damn tree log stuck in your eye in regards to your views on other people's sexual orientations.

The whole "log in the eye" and "judge and ye be judge" bits are extensions of Christ's criticisms of the Pharisees, who Christ made a point of criticizing harshly the fact that they live sinful lives yet present themselves as totally righteous and criticize everyone else for being sinful. I'm not presenting myself as righteous, none of this is about me (tbh at the moment I'm pretty woefully in a bad place spiritually speaking, I'm definitely not better than anyone else), it's about the wider cultural moral standard that's been eroded away and continues to be eroded.

Also I call everyone "guys" so that wasn't a jab at you for whatever reason.

I don't think you're being bigoted or homophobic, it's just your wording is kinda iffy. That's no grave thing though.

[Greater Cesnica]

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about homosexual people adopting children?

Having two parents is better than one.

THIS ^^^^^^

[Bienenhalde]

From what I learned about Japanese history previously, it was my understanding that some Kokugaku scholars had proto-fascists tendencies, but then you told be that some of them were actually pacifists. So I guess it was a somewhat diverse movement?

Describing Motoori Norinaga as "pacifist" was probably excessive, but he was not interested in warfare, and did not see it as a component of the Japanese spirit. His own view of death was that it was a dirty and impure affair, one that someone should not want to happen, which is at odds with the fascist glorification of it. There is no historical connection between the National Learning movement and actual historical proto-fascism, unless being chauvinistic is enough to make one proto-fash (in which case, Confucianism was also proto-fascist).

Well, I was interpreting it through the lens of how it influenced the rise of ultra-nationalism in World War II Japan. To be fair, though, such a perspective might be considered anachronistic and not an adequate way to understand the attitudes of the Edo Period in its own right.

[Torrocca]

Gal*, since evidently my signature's not made that obvious enough.



Yes, and from that it's pretty fucking clear you've got a whole damn tree log stuck in your eye in regards to your views on other people's sexual orientations.

The whole "log in the eye" and "judge and ye be judge" bits are extensions of Christ's criticisms of the Pharisees, who Christ made a point of criticizing harshly the fact that they live sinful lives yet present themselves as totally righteous and criticize everyone else for being sinful. I'm not presenting myself as righteous, none of this is about me (tbh at the moment I'm pretty woefully in a bad place spiritually speaking, I'm definitely not better than anyone else), it's about the wider cultural moral standard that's been eroded away and continues to be eroded.

You sure seem to be acting self-righteous even if you're sure as shit not presenting yourself as such.

And, regardless, you still forsake the holy words of God above by disregarding Matthew 22-39.

Also I call everyone "guys" so that wasn't a jab at you for whatever reason.

And I disagree with it.

[Bienenhalde]

There's a solid case to be made for traditional family structures. Children in single-parent households are more likely to be suicidal, violent, and antisocial.

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about homosexual people adopting children?

Considering all the children in the world who face poverty, misery, and even early death, I think it is good that anyone is willing to take them in and give them a safe and loving home, regardless of sexual orientation. But I do not think forcibly closing Christian adoption agencies is very helpful to children.

[Northern Davincia]

The whole "log in the eye" and "judge and ye be judge" bits are extensions of Christ's criticisms of the Pharisees, who Christ made a point of criticizing harshly the fact that they live sinful lives yet present themselves as totally righteous and criticize everyone else for being sinful. I'm not presenting myself as righteous, none of this is about me (tbh at the moment I'm pretty woefully in a bad place spiritually speaking, I'm definitely not better than anyone else), it's about the wider cultural moral standard that's been eroded away and continues to be eroded.

You sure seem to be acting self-righteous even if you're sure as shit not presenting yourself as such.

And, regardless, you still forsake the holy words of God above by disregarding Matthew 22-39.

Also I call everyone "guys" so that wasn't a jab at you for whatever reason.

And I disagree with it.

Salus hasn't forsaken anything. Matthew 19:4-6 condemns divorce, for example.

[Torrocca]

You sure seem to be acting self-righteous even if you're sure as shit not presenting yourself as such.

And, regardless, you still forsake the holy words of God above by disregarding Matthew 22-39.



And I disagree with it.

Salus hasn't forsaken anything. Matthew 19:4-6 condemns divorce, for example.

Can't really love your neighbor as you love yourself if you get angry about their personal lives. :^)

[Greater Cesnica]

Salus hasn't forsaken anything. Matthew 19:4-6 condemns divorce, for example.

Can't really love your neighbor as you love yourself if you get angry about their personal lives. :^)

Torra, I think he realizes the implications of his words.

[Greater Cesnica]

Salus hasn't forsaken anything. Matthew 19:4-6 condemns divorce, for example.

Can't really love your neighbor as you love yourself if you get angry about their personal lives. :^)

Torra, I think he realizes the implications of his words.

[Northern Davincia]

Salus hasn't forsaken anything. Matthew 19:4-6 condemns divorce, for example.

Can't really love your neighbor as you love yourself if you get angry about their personal lives. :^)

Loving your neighbor doesn't mean you have to be tolerant of every action they take.

[Torrocca]

Can't really love your neighbor as you love yourself if you get angry about their personal lives. :^)

Loving your neighbor doesn't mean you have to be tolerant of every action they take.

Bit of a difference between not having a personal tolerance for someone's way of life and actively wanting to deny them the same rights you enjoy.