Right Wing Discussion Thread XIII: Do the Right thing

[Reikoku]

What do you think about the Kokugaku movement?

National Learning ain't free. The Kokugaku gotta be litterd with the blood of those who idolize the Foreign Ways. Hirata Atsutane aka "Ibukinoya" is not my sensei. He is an Indophile and probably a Buddhist as well. :DD Amaterasu and Uke Mochi not Sanjin and Okuninushi ok? Braise the sun goddess

[Bienenhalde]

Yeah, sorry but nah, the real absurdity is parroting the idea that women should be subservient to men and that we should totally keep expanding military powers.

Fuuuuuuuck that noise.

There's a solid case to be made for traditional family structures. Children in single-parent households are more likely to be suicidal, violent, and antisocial.

Very true. But that does not conflict with the idea that marriage ought to be an equal partnership.

[Bienenhalde]

What do you think about the Kokugaku movement?

National Learning ain't free. The Kokugaku gotta be litterd with the blood of those who idolize the Foreign Ways. Hirata Atsutane aka "Ibukinoya" is not my sensei. He is an Indophile and probably a Buddhist as well. D Amaterasu and Uke Mochi not Sanjin and Okuninushi ok? Braise the sun goddess

From what I learned about Japanese history previously, it was my understanding that some Kokugaku scholars had proto-fascists tendencies, but then you told be that some of them were actually pacifists. So I guess it was a somewhat diverse movement?

[Kowani]

Yeah, sorry but nah, the real absurdity is parroting the idea that women should be subservient to men and that we should totally keep expanding military powers.

Fuuuuuuuck that noise.

There's a solid case to be made for traditional family structures. Children in single-parent households are more likely to be suicidal, violent, and antisocial.

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about homosexual people adopting children?

[Greater Cesnica]

There's a solid case to be made for traditional family structures. Children in single-parent households are more likely to be suicidal, violent, and antisocial.

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about homosexual people adopting children?

Aaand you just opened Pandora's Box

[Reikoku]

What do you think about the Kokugaku movement?

National Learning ain't free. The Kokugaku gotta be litterd with the blood of those who idolize the Foreign Ways. Hirata Atsutane aka "Ibukinoya" is not my sensei. He is an Indophile and probably a Buddhist as well. D Amaterasu and Uke Mochi not Sanjin and Okuninushi ok? Braise the sun goddess

From what I learned about Japanese history previously, it was my understanding that some Kokugaku scholars had proto-fascists tendencies, but then you told be that some of them were actually pacifists. So I guess it was a somewhat diverse movement?

Describing Motoori Norinaga as "pacifist" was probably excessive, but he was not interested in warfare, and did not see it as a component of the Japanese spirit. His own view of death was that it was a dirty and impure affair, one that someone should not want to happen, which is at odds with the fascist glorification of it. There is no historical connection between the National Learning movement and actual historical proto-fascism, unless being chauvinistic is enough to make one proto-fash (in which case, Confucianism was also proto-fascist).

[Salus Maior]

There's a solid case to be made for traditional family structures. Children in single-parent households are more likely to be suicidal, violent, and antisocial.

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about homosexual people adopting children?

Not exactly the traditional structure, is it?

[Torrocca]

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about homosexual people adopting children?

Not exactly the traditional structure, is it?

Another reason that traditional familial or gender roles are fucking stupid, tbqh.

[Kowani]

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about homosexual people adopting children?

Not exactly the traditional structure, is it?

And yet, as far as I know, there’s no evidence that the kids come out worse off.

[Salus Maior]

Not exactly the traditional structure, is it?

Another reason that traditional familial or gender roles are fucking stupid, tbqh.

Regardless it's what our society and civilization is built on. You can call it stupid cause you don't like it all you want, that doesn't change that.

I don't see any reason to allow homosexual couples and their fluid and lax sexual standards be passed on to children.

[Uxupox]

Not exactly the traditional structure, is it?

Another reason that traditional familial or gender roles are fucking stupid, tbqh.

Why is the traditional familial role stupid?

Not exactly the traditional structure, is it?

And yet, as far as I know, there’s no evidence that the kids come out worse off.

There are minor variations (such as social behaviors and perception changing based on what type of homosexual couple) but there is no evidence for any negative impact.

[Greater Cesnica]

Another reason that traditional familial or gender roles are fucking stupid, tbqh.

Regardless it's what our society and civilization is built on. You can call it stupid cause you don't like it all you want, that doesn't change that.

I don't see any reason to allow homosexual couples and their fluid and lax sexual standards be passed on to children.

What about a straight guy and a bisexual woman?

[Torrocca]

Another reason that traditional familial or gender roles are fucking stupid, tbqh.

Regardless it's what our society and civilization is built on. You can call it stupid cause you don't like it all you want, that doesn't change that.

I don't see any reason to allow homosexual couples and their fluid and lax sexual standards be passed on to children.

Well then it's just a bit too bloody bad then that a good bit of the world's been steadily marching on past you and Saudi Arabia in that regard, innit?

[Salus Maior]

Regardless it's what our society and civilization is built on. You can call it stupid cause you don't like it all you want, that doesn't change that.

I don't see any reason to allow homosexual couples and their fluid and lax sexual standards be passed on to children.

What about a straight guy and a bisexual woman?

What about them?

[Greater Cesnica]

What about a straight guy and a bisexual woman?

What about them?

Does that argument apply to a couple of that caliber?

[Torrocca]

Another reason that traditional familial or gender roles are fucking stupid, tbqh.

Why is the traditional familial role stupid?

Hint, hint, hint: the enforcement of it prevents loving, kind, nontraditional couples from doing things like having families, including adopting kids and giving them loving homes.

[Salus Maior]

Regardless it's what our society and civilization is built on. You can call it stupid cause you don't like it all you want, that doesn't change that.

I don't see any reason to allow homosexual couples and their fluid and lax sexual standards be passed on to children.

Well then it's just a bit too bloody bad then that a good bit of the world's been steadily marching on past you and Saudi Arabia in that regard, innit?

You can brag about the times all you want. At one point it may be for all you want, and at the next point it'll turn on you.

Culture and human attitudes are fickle like that.

[Reikoku]

Another reason that traditional familial or gender roles are fucking stupid, tbqh.

Regardless it's what our society and civilization is built on. You can call it stupid cause you don't like it all you want, that doesn't change that.

I don't see any reason to allow homosexual couples and their fluid and lax sexual standards be passed on to children.

Same-sex marriage and adoption have been a thing for a couple of years now. Western society hasn't collapsed so far.

[Salus Maior]

What about them?

Does that argument apply to a couple of that caliber?

If the couple are dedicated to each other as married couples are supposed to be and not doing sexual revolution bullshit I don't see what the problem would be.

[Torrocca]

Well then it's just a bit too bloody bad then that a good bit of the world's been steadily marching on past you and Saudi Arabia in that regard, innit?

You can brag about the times all you want. At one point it may be for all you want, and at the next point it'll turn on you.

Culture and human attitudes are fickle like that.

What, you and your Catholic pals gonna break out the firearms and start an insurrection because people are getting treated like people?

What ever happened to "love thy neighbor"? Or are we being selective with what the good lord above says?

[Salus Maior]

Regardless it's what our society and civilization is built on. You can call it stupid cause you don't like it all you want, that doesn't change that.

I don't see any reason to allow homosexual couples and their fluid and lax sexual standards be passed on to children.

Same-sex marriage and adoption have been a thing for a couple of years now. Western society hasn't collapsed so far.

It'd take a few generations for any effects to appear. Although really, the damages from the Sexual Revolution are already apparent.

[Uxupox]

Why is the traditional familial role stupid?

Hint, hint, hint: the enforcement of it prevents loving, kind, nontraditional couples from doing things like having families, including adopting kids and giving them loving homes.

Enforcement of what exactly? In a family there exists structure. Such as living arrangements, positions of familial authority and specifically the placing of the family above the individual. Particularly in a Hispanic and African-american community, the family is everything.

[Torrocca]

Hint, hint, hint: the enforcement of it prevents loving, kind, nontraditional couples from doing things like having families, including adopting kids and giving them loving homes.

Enforcement of what exactly?

Traditional familial roles.

[Reikoku]

Same-sex marriage and adoption have been a thing for a couple of years now. Western society hasn't collapsed so far.

It'd take a few generations for any effects to appear. Although really, the damages from the Sexual Revolution are already apparent.

i.e "I don't actually have any evidence, I'm just repeating usual Christian tripe"

[Salus Maior]

You can brag about the times all you want. At one point it may be for all you want, and at the next point it'll turn on you.

Culture and human attitudes are fickle like that.

What, you and your Catholic pals gonna break out the firearms and start an insurrection because people are getting treated like people?

What ever happened to "love thy neighbor"? Or are we being selective with what the good lord above says?

Strawmanning isn't going to get you anywhere. You really need to learn to drop that habit.

I'm not under any illusions that Catholicism (at least real Catholicism) is going to be popular again anytime soon. Right Wing Populists and Authoritarianism in general however, don't exactly seem to be dead or dying out as ideas anytime soon.