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Which Japanese Shogunate was the most glorious?

Kamakura Shogunate
16
4%
Ashikaga Shogunate
21
5%
Tokugawa Shogunate
125
28%
MacArthur Shogunate :')
291
64%
 
Total votes : 453

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Postby Diopolis » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:54 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
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The first part only fucking matters if you take it out of the context of the whole rest of the definition of the fallacy, which you half-assedly did to try and make a point.

So, show me where I shifted those goalposts.


You made what could be called an appeal to purity as a way to dismiss relevant criticisms or flaws of your argument.


"Marx, Engels, etc established what is real communism."
"Okay, here's the hellholes the Soviets, the EZLN areas in Mexico, China, North Korea, etc."
"Those aren't real Communists."

Let's be fair here. The EZLN areas appear to be slightly better than the rest of Chiapas.
Of course, all that proves is that something kind of similar to anarchism if you squint is better for third world peasants than being day laborers, which is a ridiculously low bar to clear.
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:58 pm

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Mardla wrote:You aren't a conservative, lol. No major conservative theorist would consider you a conservative. Not Russell Kirk, not Roger Scruton, not Edmund Burke, not Joseph de Maistre, not Louis de Bonald.

Considering that his sig paints him as a Christian Democrat he sounds like a conservative.
You wanting to monopolize the word doesn't change anything.

Aren't Christian Democrats essentially centrist?
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:05 pm

Reikoku wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45821700

"Breaking the taboo of criticising the emperor, he said: "The more trips he makes, the more he is distancing himself from the Yasukuni... The current emperor is trying to destroy the Yasukuni Shrine".

The priest also reportedly says that Crown Prince Naruhito and his wife Masako will probably not visit the shrine once Emperor Akihito abdicates, saying the future empress "hates" the Shinto religion.

The BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes in Tokyo says the outburst is a rare glimpse of how many conservatives in Japan are thought to view the emperor."


Shit is hitting the fan.


Well, yeah, if you going to criticize your Emprah over something as stupid as not visiting a controversial shrine maybe you should resign.

Of course, the Prince's wife distaste for Shinto probably won't make her a very good Empress. But then again idk what role the Emperor's wife actually takes.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:08 pm

Distruzio wrote:-snip-


Well, perhaps I did not read the article well enough. But certainly do not like antifa and I hope that the police will crack down on antifa and stop them from causing so much trouble.

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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:09 pm

Reikoku wrote:Based on how much his successor was obstructed at every turn by those around him, sometimes I think that Ashikaga Yoshinori's "execute anyone who so much as literally looks at me the wrong way" plan wasn't half-bad.


Alright, Stalin.
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Postby Loben » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:12 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Reikoku wrote:Based on how much his successor was obstructed at every turn by those around him, sometimes I think that Ashikaga Yoshinori's "execute anyone who so much as literally looks at me the wrong way" plan wasn't half-bad.


Alright, Stalin.

Steel and Ashigaru are cheap in Japan.

so are Daimyo if you can replace em.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:18 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Distruzio wrote:-snip-


Well, perhaps I did not read the article well enough. But certainly do not like antifa and I hope that the police will crack down on antifa and stop them from causing so much trouble.

The Proud Boys are a bunch of street thugs and brawlers who some right-wing types give a pass because it's focused against the Evil Left. I have a disdain for Antifa, bunch of Euroleftists, but the kind of support I see for their mirror view is fucking ridiculous. All of them should be shot tbh. We don't need political violence in the US. Either civil war or bust.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:19 pm

Reikoku wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45821700

"Breaking the taboo of criticising the emperor, he said: "The more trips he makes, the more he is distancing himself from the Yasukuni... The current emperor is trying to destroy the Yasukuni Shrine".

The priest also reportedly says that Crown Prince Naruhito and his wife Masako will probably not visit the shrine once Emperor Akihito abdicates, saying the future empress "hates" the Shinto religion.

The BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes in Tokyo says the outburst is a rare glimpse of how many conservatives in Japan are thought to view the emperor."


Shit is hitting the fan.


To be fair, the fact the war criminals are enshrined at Yasukuni hurts the reputation of the Shinto religion in the eyes of me and probably many other people.

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Postby Diopolis » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:20 pm

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Bienenhalde wrote:
Well, perhaps I did not read the article well enough. But certainly do not like antifa and I hope that the police will crack down on antifa and stop them from causing so much trouble.

The Proud Boys are a bunch of street thugs and brawlers who some right-wing types give a pass because it's focused against the Evil Left. I have a disdain for Antifa, bunch of Euroleftists, but the kind of support I see for their mirror view is fucking ridiculous. All of them should be shot tbh. We don't need political violence in the US. Either civil war or bust.

Just let unite the right happen and gas the thing. Threats to public order are threats to public order.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:23 pm

Something I think we can all appreciate.
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Postby Loben » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:24 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Something I think we can all appreciate.


pretty much shitting in the street if you ask me.

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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:25 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Something I think we can all appreciate.


.....Frank.

Get the tasers.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:26 pm

Painisia wrote:I think conservatism is a more wide term. You have fiscally conservative, which basically is the Milton Friedman-loving monetarist Thatcherism. I like better the paternalistic One-nation conservatism and I find it sad that the Conservatives in the UK came to favor more the neoliberal tendencies than the One-nationism. Conservatism in the future, might be dead and frowned upon by the progressive social liberal Millennials or it can have revival with the American right-wing subculture.


Personally I would be most sympathetic to paternalistic one-nation conservatism, but unfortunately it does not seem like my ideology is very popular or influential anymore nowadays.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:32 pm

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Reikoku wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45821700



Shit is hitting the fan.


MacArthur did not go far enough. Only if the emperor would have grinded down the bones of his ancestors before him on a throne could we say that Pearl Harbour was avenged. :' )


Extreme and unnecessary. What we really needed to do was implement a proper program of re-education, like de-Nazification in Germany. So basically teach them about human rights and gender equality, crack down on political extremism and hate speech, and crack down on prostitution and pornography. Japan needs its own version of the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz.

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Postby Loben » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:32 pm

no.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:37 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:Extreme and unnecessary. What we really needed to do was implement a proper program of re-education, like de-Nazification in Germany. So basically teach them about human rights and gender equality, crack down on political extremism and hate speech, and crack down on prostitution and pornography. Japan needs its own version of the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz.

Japan has most of that. Their pornography laws are stricter than our's, m8. The only big thing they're missing is that they're in denial of their atrocities still because of right-wing nutbags making sure the textbooks are nice and quiet, a la Texas talking about how many immigrants were shipped in from Africa in Colonial-era America.
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:43 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:Also, on the note of beards, what is the thread opinion on such? I know it's a minor issue, but you tend to see a lot of debate on it given the various religious and political implications of such.

Beards are OK. Just OK.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:50 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:Also, on the note of beards, what is the thread opinion on such? I know it's a minor issue, but you tend to see a lot of debate on it given the various religious and political implications of such.


I wish I could grow a better beard :[

I can grow one, sort of. It doesn't look very good though.
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Postby Painisia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:09 pm



Japan has always been an entertaining country........
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Oil exporting People wrote:Also, on the note of beards, what is the thread opinion on such? I know it's a minor issue, but you tend to see a lot of debate on it given the various religious and political implications of such.


I wish I could grow a better beard :[

I can grow one, sort of. It doesn't look very good though.

I just have some hair on my chin and sideburns >w<
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:34 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
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I wish I could grow a better beard :[

I can grow one, sort of. It doesn't look very good though.

I just have some hair on my chin and sideburns >w<

>he can't grow a mustache
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Postby Reikoku » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:39 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
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MacArthur did not go far enough. Only if the emperor would have grinded down the bones of his ancestors before him on a throne could we say that Pearl Harbour was avenged. :' )


Extreme and unnecessary. What we really needed to do was implement a proper program of re-education, like de-Nazification in Germany. So basically teach them about human rights and gender equality, crack down on political extremism and hate speech, and crack down on prostitution and pornography. Japan needs its own version of the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz.


What do you think the Shinto Directive was, lol?

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:48 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:Also, on the note of beards, what is the thread opinion on such? I know it's a minor issue, but you tend to see a lot of debate on it given the various religious and political implications of such.


I wish I could grow a better beard :[

I can grow one, sort of. It doesn't look very good though.

I shave every other day to keep my facial hair under control, my father had thick beards.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:50 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Extreme and unnecessary. What we really needed to do was implement a proper program of re-education, like de-Nazification in Germany. So basically teach them about human rights and gender equality, crack down on political extremism and hate speech, and crack down on prostitution and pornography. Japan needs its own version of the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz.


What do you think the Shinto Directive was, lol?


That was only indirectly relevant to the more important goal of suppressing racial hatred and pornography, wasn't it? I mean sure, I think the Shinto religion is rather flawed in terms of its morality, but I do not necessarily think that Shinto itself was the main problem. And if it was, then I think that far more would have to be done to promote Christianity in Japan.

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