Right Wing Discussion Thread XIII: Do the Right thing

[Mardla]

How the hell are you equating the Volk with the individual?

The Bill of Rights was an afterthought, included to placate fretting libs.

Volk? Just what "people" are you invoking here? Colonial era Georgians were not colonial era Virginians, or New Yorkers, or anything of the sort.

And, yes, the Bill of Rights was added to secure the anti-federalists. So what? Are you suggesting that a representative organ should NOT be representative of the people over whom it wields authority?

I am invoking the people described in Federalist Paper No. 2

I don't know what representative means here, but I don't take the concept extremely strictly. If there are five districts, and Party X beats party Y in four districts by a small margin, and party Y beats party X by a massive margin in one district, then the minority receives 80% of the representation. Anyway representatives don't represent individuals, really, but aggregates, because obviously they "represent" many individuals who in fact strongly oppose their holding office.

[Genivaria]

So this happened.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/proud-boys ... 018-10-18/

Very unfortunate. Also, it is sad that the progressive media equates such violent thugs with the political right. As a conservative, I find their actions abhorrent and contrary to my principles.

Progressive media? What?

[Mardla]

So this happened.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/proud-boys ... 018-10-18/

Very unfortunate. Also, it is sad that the progressive media equates such violent thugs with the political right. As a conservative, I find their actions abhorrent and contrary to my principles.

You aren't a conservative, lol. No major conservative theorist would consider you a conservative. Not Russell Kirk, not Roger Scruton, not Edmund Burke, not Joseph de Maistre, not Louis de Bonald.

[Genivaria]

Very unfortunate. Also, it is sad that the progressive media equates such violent thugs with the political right. As a conservative, I find their actions abhorrent and contrary to my principles.

You aren't a conservative, lol. No major conservative theorist would consider you a conservative. Not Russell Kirk, not Roger Scruton, not Edmund Burke, not Joseph de Maistre, not Louis de Bonald.

Considering that his sig paints him as a Christian Democrat he sounds like a conservative.
You wanting to monopolize the word doesn't change anything.

[Bienenhalde]

I see what you mean, but what I had in mind was more the idea of Western values becoming dominate through soft power, that is, through culture or economics, which would hypothetically lead to the peaceful acceptance of Western cultural mores and political values, including individualism. Of course, you might say that is unlikely given widespread anti-imperialist and anti-Western sentiment in non-Western countries, but the United States conquering the entire world by force does not seem very likely either.

This would be a Good Thing.

It probably would not be a good thing, especially given the materialism and degeneracy of Western society as it exists today.

[Bienenhalde]

Also, on the note of beards, what is the thread opinion on such? I know it's a minor issue, but you tend to see a lot of debate on it given the various religious and political implications of such.

As someone who sees the need to bring back the effeminate courtly style, decidedly negative.

I largely agree with your assessment. Sometimes beards can be quite dignified, but even so, I am afraid even the best beard cannot compare with the beauty of a smooth beardless face of a beautiful man or woman.

[Proctopeo]

Also, on the note of beards, what is the thread opinion on such? I know it's a minor issue, but you tend to see a lot of debate on it given the various religious and political implications of such.

Beards are a good place to put gunpowder-laced wicks to light as an intimidation tactic.

[Genivaria]

Also, on the note of beards, what is the thread opinion on such? I know it's a minor issue, but you tend to see a lot of debate on it given the various religious and political implications of such.

Beards are a good place to put gunpowder-laced wicks to light as an intimidation tactic.

Is it bad I immediately knew who you were talking about?

[Mardla]

You aren't a conservative, lol. No major conservative theorist would consider you a conservative. Not Russell Kirk, not Roger Scruton, not Edmund Burke, not Joseph de Maistre, not Louis de Bonald.

Considering that his sig paints him as a Christian Democrat he sounds like a conservative.
You wanting to monopolize the word doesn't change anything.

There is nothing innately conservative about CD's. Calling yourself a conservative doesn't make you one anymore than Bernie Sanders calling himself a socialist makes him one.

[Proctopeo]

Beards are a good place to put gunpowder-laced wicks to light as an intimidation tactic.

Is it bad I immediately knew who you were talking about?

No, that should be normal.

[Fahran]

No, that should be normal.

I know too much about piracy.

[Distruzio]

Volk? Just what "people" are you invoking here? Colonial era Georgians were not colonial era Virginians, or New Yorkers, or anything of the sort.

And, yes, the Bill of Rights was added to secure the anti-federalists. So what? Are you suggesting that a representative organ should NOT be representative of the people over whom it wields authority?

I am invoking the people described in Federalist Paper No. 2

Are you?

[The people] considered that the Congress was composed of many wise and experienced men. That, being convened from different parts of the country, they brought with them and communicated to each other a variety of useful information. That, in the course of the time they passed together in inquiring into and discussing the true interests of their country, they must have acquired very accurate knowledge on that head. That they were individually interested in the public liberty and prosperity, and therefore that it was not less their inclination than their duty to recommend only such measures as, after the most mature deliberation, they really thought prudent and advisable.

These and similar considerations then induced the people to rely greatly on the judgment and integrity of the Congress; and they took their advice, notwithstanding the various arts and endeavors used to deter them from it. But if the people at large had reason to confide in the men of that Congress, few of whom had been fully tried or generally known, still greater reason have they now to respect the judgment and advice of the convention, for it is well known that some of the most distinguished members of that Congress, who have been since tried and justly approved for patriotism and abilities, and who have grown old in acquiring political information, were also members of this convention, and carried into it their accumulated knowledge and experience.

But, even then... I wonder why you place higher value on the Federalist Papers than the actual Constitution, itself? How do you prove that the "people" invoked in the Constitution are the same "people" you believe are invoked by Federalist No. 2 - an assertion I heartily disagree with.

[Reikoku]

As someone who sees the need to bring back the effeminate courtly style, decidedly negative.

Rei: Heian Japan was best Japan, and Prince Genji is the model of what a ruler should be and did absolutely nothing wrong.

Ministers will be selected based on poetry contests, blind tea tests, and how well they respond to mono no aware.

[Bienenhalde]

Very unfortunate. Also, it is sad that the progressive media equates such violent thugs with the political right. As a conservative, I find their actions abhorrent and contrary to my principles.

You aren't a conservative, lol. No major conservative theorist would consider you a conservative. Not Russell Kirk, not Roger Scruton, not Edmund Burke, not Joseph de Maistre, not Louis de Bonald.

I can understand why some people might question whether I was a real conservative, but you seem to be missing the point. Why would any respectable person want to be associated with violent, racist, law-breaking thugs? Now I may be an imperfect human being, but I would like to think that most people would at least be less ashamed of associating with me than with the likes of those criminals.

[Distruzio]

You aren't a conservative, lol. No major conservative theorist would consider you a conservative. Not Russell Kirk, not Roger Scruton, not Edmund Burke, not Joseph de Maistre, not Louis de Bonald.

I can understand why some people might question whether I was a real conservative, but you seem to be missing the point. Why would any respectable person want to be associated with violent, racist, law-breaking thugs? Now I may be an imperfect human being, but I would like to think that most people would at least be less ashamed of associating with me than with the likes of those criminals.

Patriot Prayer is racist?

Beyond that obvious falsehood, even the claim of violent makes me skeptical as the group is plainly violent in self-defense. To tag them violent is to ignore the context of outbreaks of violence involving them. In every single instance, they respond to violence with violence. The violence last week was in response to 50 some odd Antifa harpies screaming invocations of violence upon McGinnes and his Boys. The violence last week was in response to Antifa harpies assaulting a Proud Boy directly. The videos of the 3 Boys pummeling the pathetic miscreants even show the miscreants throwing bricks at the Proud Boys before the Boys responded in kind.

I, sincerely, do not understand how someone can see that the sky is blue and insist that it is, in fact, a banana. Not only is the blue sky NOT a banana, but a banana is neither the sky, nor is it a color.

Furthermore, the Proud Boys are acting outside the law when they engage with Antifa directly. That's a fair critique. That has made me uncomfortable as well. But I'm not going to pretend their behavior is, in any way, remotely analogous to the behavior of Antifa. The Proud Boys do not deliberately target anyone with whom they disagree. They do not cause widespread property damage. They do not assault the police. They do not champion a socio-cultural revolution.

They act outside the law when circumstances conspire to force their hand.

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And, to the overall sentiment of this comment - and similar comments, not necessarily from you... I can no longer say that I don't sympathize with the Proud Boys, or what they represent. I don't endorse their behavior but... I suppose the best way to characterize my opinion is that I see them as necessary. So long as progressive-minded Officials continue to flout the law and allow domestic terrorists to literally seize control of city centers and force the police to stand down, the Proud Boys and similar groups have a value. A value that only holds weight in opposition to domestic terrorism.

[Reikoku]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45821700

"Breaking the taboo of criticising the emperor, he said: "The more trips he makes, the more he is distancing himself from the Yasukuni... The current emperor is trying to destroy the Yasukuni Shrine".

The priest also reportedly says that Crown Prince Naruhito and his wife Masako will probably not visit the shrine once Emperor Akihito abdicates, saying the future empress "hates" the Shinto religion.

The BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes in Tokyo says the outburst is a rare glimpse of how many conservatives in Japan are thought to view the emperor."

Shit is hitting the fan.

[Painisia]

I think conservatism is a more wide term. You have fiscally conservative, which basically is the Milton Friedman-loving monetarist Thatcherism. I like better the paternalistic One-nation conservatism and I find it sad that the Conservatives in the UK came to favor more the neoliberal tendencies than the One-nationism. Conservatism in the future, might be dead and frowned upon by the progressive social liberal Millennials or it can have revival with the American right-wing subculture.

[Herskerstad]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45821700

"Breaking the taboo of criticising the emperor, he said: "The more trips he makes, the more he is distancing himself from the Yasukuni... The current emperor is trying to destroy the Yasukuni Shrine".

The priest also reportedly says that Crown Prince Naruhito and his wife Masako will probably not visit the shrine once Emperor Akihito abdicates, saying the future empress "hates" the Shinto religion.

The BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes in Tokyo says the outburst is a rare glimpse of how many conservatives in Japan are thought to view the emperor."

Shit is hitting the fan.

MacArthur did not go far enough. Only if the emperor would have grinded down the bones of his ancestors before him on a throne could we say that Pearl Harbour was avenged. :' )

[Reikoku]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45821700



Shit is hitting the fan.

MacArthur did not go far enough. Only if the emperor would have grinded down the bones of his ancestors before him on a throne could we say that Pearl Harbour was avenged. :' )

Given I've read the poorly concealed masturbation of some posters here at the thought of invading Japan so they could get an Asian GF, you're going to have to try harder if you want to trigger me.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Also, on the note of beards, what is the thread opinion on such? I know it's a minor issue, but you tend to see a lot of debate on it given the various religious and political implications of such.

Prophet Muhammad SAWS told Muslim men to grow our beards and trim our mustaches, so Imma do that.

[Reikoku]

Also, on the note of beards, what is the thread opinion on such? I know it's a minor issue, but you tend to see a lot of debate on it given the various religious and political implications of such.

Prophet Muhammad SAWS told Muslim men to grow our beards and trim our mustaches, so Imma do that.

An additional reason Islam should not be allowed in Japan.

[Genivaria]

MacArthur did not go far enough. Only if the emperor would have grinded down the bones of his ancestors before him on a throne could we say that Pearl Harbour was avenged. :' )

Given I've read the poorly concealed masturbation of some posters here at the thought of invading Japan so they could get an Asian GF, you're going to have to try harder if you want to trigger me.

Why....would they need to invade Japan for that?
Just move to Japan, that's the benefit of them being our ally and close trade partner.

[Greater Cesnica]

Given I've read the poorly concealed masturbation of some posters here at the thought of invading Japan so they could get an Asian GF, you're going to have to try harder if you want to trigger me.

Why....would they need to invade Japan for that?
Just move to Japan, that's the benefit of them being our ally and close trade partner.

Plus, asian GF's

[Herskerstad]

Given I've read the poorly concealed masturbation of some posters here at the thought of invading Japan so they could get an Asian GF, you're going to have to try harder if you want to trigger me.

Why....would they need to invade Japan for that?
Just move to Japan, that's the benefit of them being our ally and close trade partner.

I'd imagine the status quo to be triggering enough.

[Diopolis]

That's not what I'm asking for.
Do you have an example of a technological, large scale society that sustained itself on far-left principles for two generations?

That... kinda is one.

Haha.
So some third world peasants are a technological, large scale society because they have good social services? They're not even that anarchist past the local level.