Right Wing Discussion Thread XIII: Do the Right thing

[The South Falls]

I am disappointed that he did not include Benjamin Disraeli, though.

I think there are more egregious exclusions than Disraeli, and a few unwarranted inclusions as well. I would have included Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Lord Salisbury and TS Eliot.

I'd like to include Robert Walpole.

[Kyrinasaj]

This isn't about me, is it? I feel absolutely nothing for Jews getting their practices shut down if I am being completely honest.

I am strongly opposed to the capitalist system and its exploitative nature, but not all Jews are evil, corrupt capitalists. Many of them are good people.

They're either that or evil, corrupt leftist ideologues

[Kyrinasaj]

The way they look is often a good predictor of how they act or how they think.

That's very, very stupid. One of my teachers is a tattooed man, but he's got a purple heart framed in his room, and is an extremely smart guy. You can't do that.

One who dresses like a ghetto criminal, likely behaves like one

[Diopolis]

I am strongly opposed to the capitalist system and its exploitative nature, but not all Jews are evil, corrupt capitalists. Many of them are good people.

They're either that or evil, corrupt leftist ideologues

Come now, there are problems with the Jewish tendency towards those things, but to say it's inherent for the Jewish race(when there is no such thing) is a bit too far.

[Reikoku]

Judging people based on their behaviour, attitudes and the way they present themselves is fine.

But you don't say "race" rather than culture unless you're the sort of person who (openly or otherwise) believes these differences arise naturally to a large extent depending on what shade on the colour chart your skin is.

In the trade, we call this belief "bullshit".

Ethnicities created ''culture''. Cultural nationalism is pretty misguided.

Care to point out a culture which has been created by one ethnicity?

[Kyrinasaj]

They're either that or evil, corrupt leftist ideologues

Come now, there are problems with the Jewish tendency towards those things, but to say it's inherent for the Jewish race(when there is no such thing) is a bit too far.

It's almost as their religion and way of existing leads them to do these things.

[The South Falls]

That's very, very stupid. One of my teachers is a tattooed man, but he's got a purple heart framed in his room, and is an extremely smart guy. You can't do that.

One who dresses like a ghetto criminal, likely behaves like one

That's not their race though. Multiple friends of mine have sag and 3.7s.

[Kyrinasaj]

Ethnicities created ''culture''. Cultural nationalism is pretty misguided.

Care to point out a culture which has been created by one ethnicity?

Dutch culture, German culture.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Are we going to start talking about the esoteric significance of skull shapes now?


Then why not base your opinion of them off of their actions, and not how they look?

The way they look is often a good predictor of how they act or how they think.

Sure, to an extent, but their colour does not determine that. With appropriate education and social policy ensuring the correct teaching of future generations, integration is very possible. This entire process is held back by discriminatory statements relating to skin colour - why would you want to integrate if people are signalling they would not accept you anyway? If you do not approve of how they behave or act framing the thing in terms of race and biology is counterproductive and entirely non-virtuous.

[Kyrinasaj]

One who dresses like a ghetto criminal, likely behaves like one

That's not their race though. Multiple friends of mine have sag and A's.

Right, because what you said was not what I meant. So we got off topic.

[The South Falls]

That's not their race though. Multiple friends of mine have sag and A's.

Right, because what you said was not what I meant. So we got off topic.

Great. People don't "act like their race", we're different.

[Kyrinasaj]

The way they look is often a good predictor of how they act or how they think.

Sure, but it does not determine it. With appropriate education and social policy ensuring the correct teaching of future generations, integration is very possible. This entire process is held back by discriminatory statements relating to skin colour - why would you want to integrate if people are signalling they would not accept you anyway? If you do not approve of how they behave or act framing the thing in terms of race and biology is counterproductive and entirely non-virtuous.

Why would we want to let them integrate? They will always be fundamentally different. Integration may be possible in country without an ethnic identity like the US but other nations are less likely to allow this. You can't teach someone that he is something else.

[Old Tyrannia]

Judging people based on their behaviour, attitudes and the way they present themselves is fine.

But you don't say "race" rather than culture unless you're the sort of person who (openly or otherwise) believes these differences arise naturally to a large extent depending on what shade on the colour chart your skin is.

In the trade, we call this belief "bullshit".

Ethnicities created ''culture''. Cultural nationalism is pretty misguided.

Ethnicity is generally based more on linguistic classifications than on anything else, so technically ethnicities arose from culture rather than vice versa. I'm not sure why I continue arguing with you; I might as well try to persuade a Flat Earther that the world is round.

[Bienenhalde]

Judging people based on their behaviour, attitudes and the way they present themselves is fine.

But you don't say "race" rather than culture unless you're the sort of person who (openly or otherwise) believes these differences arise naturally to a large extent depending on what shade on the colour chart your skin is.

In the trade, we call this belief "bullshit".

Ethnicities created ''culture''. Cultural nationalism is pretty misguided.

Culture is created by people and communities. If biology is a factor at all, it is likely only a minor one. Fallen and sinful as we are, humans are nonetheless spiritual beings and we can not be reduced to mere biology.

[Kyrinasaj]

Right, because what you said was not what I meant. So we got off topic.

Great. People don't "act like their race", we're different.

There are differences between races apart from skin color.

[Kyrinasaj]

Ethnicities created ''culture''. Cultural nationalism is pretty misguided.

Culture is created by people and communities. If biology is a factor at all, it is likely only a minor one. Fallen and sinful as we are, humans are nonetheless spiritual beings and we can not be reduced to mere biology.

Any animal, from rat to walking ape, can be dissected down to its bare minimum parts.

[Kyrinasaj]

Ethnicities created ''culture''. Cultural nationalism is pretty misguided.

Ethnicity is generally based more on linguistic classifications than on anything else, so technically ethnicities arose from culture rather than vice versa. I'm not sure why I continue arguing with you; I might as well try to persuade a Flat Earther that the world is round.

Okay big brain.

[Reikoku]

Care to point out a culture which has been created by one ethnicity?

Dutch culture, German culture.

Germanic cultures have all been shaped very heavily by Roman civilization.

[Kyrinasaj]

Dutch culture, German culture.

Germanic cultures have all been shaped very heavily by Roman civilization.

By confrontation with Roman civilization.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Sure, but it does not determine it. With appropriate education and social policy ensuring the correct teaching of future generations, integration is very possible. This entire process is held back by discriminatory statements relating to skin colour - why would you want to integrate if people are signalling they would not accept you anyway? If you do not approve of how they behave or act framing the thing in terms of race and biology is counterproductive and entirely non-virtuous.

Why would we want to let them integrate? They will always be fundamentally different. Integration may be possible in country without an ethnic identity like the US but other nations are less likely to allow this. You can't teach someone that he is something else.

Ensure that they are taught in mainstream schools that teach your culture's values. Have a social policy that allocates newly-arrived immigrants to government-owned housing for the first few years after their arrival - "pepperpot" these over the country to avoid ethnic exclaves developing. Screen and interview them in the first instance to filter out those who most obviously won't try to integrate. Where immigrants are required (and they are, due to temporary skills shortages in certain sectors, and because of falling birth rates, as part of the efforts to avoid a "demographic timebomb" arising through an aging population), there is plenty that can be done to better integrate them that we are simply not doing due to lack of will. We need them, so we want them to integrate because if we think our culture is pretty neat we should try to encourage newcomers to take it up for both their own benefit and the benefits in social solidarity.

[Diopolis]

Come now, there are problems with the Jewish tendency towards those things, but to say it's inherent for the Jewish race(when there is no such thing) is a bit too far.

It's almost as their religion and way of existing leads them to do these things.

Of course. But none of that is about their race.

[Bienenhalde]

I am strongly opposed to the capitalist system and its exploitative nature, but not all Jews are evil, corrupt capitalists. Many of them are good people.

They're either that or evil, corrupt leftist ideologues

Not really. What about Benjamin Disraeli? Or for that matter Jesus Christ himself?

[The Eternal Aulus]

Care to point out a culture which has been created by one ethnicity?

Dutch culture, German culture.

Lol what, I'm Dutch and we've always been divided into the more Catholic south and Protestant hillbilly areas and whatnot. There never was an unified Dutch culture and there will never be.

Also, Frisians aren't the same as Dutch, as are Limburgians/Bourgondians.

[Kyrinasaj]

Why would we want to let them integrate? They will always be fundamentally different. Integration may be possible in country without an ethnic identity like the US but other nations are less likely to allow this. You can't teach someone that he is something else.

Ensure that they are taught in mainstream schools that teach your culture's values. Have a social policy that allocates newly-arrived immigrants to government-owned housing for the first few years after their arrival - "pepperpot" these over the country to avoid ethnic exclaves developing. Screen and interview them in the first instance to filter out those who most obviously won't try to integrate. Where immigrants are required (and they are, due to temporary skills shortages in certain sectors, and because of falling birth rates, as part of the efforts to avoid a "demographic timebomb" arising through an aging population), there is plenty that can be done to better integrate them that we are simply not doing due to lack of will. We need them, so we want them to integrate because if we think our culture is pretty neat we should try to encourage newcomers to take it up for both their own benefit and the benefits in social solidarity.

Just because they ''integrate'' wearing western track suits or whatever. Doesn't mean they belong here. The problem will exist as long as they are here. We can't replace ourselves with strangers. The birth rate is failing because of our absolutely lacking moral system.

[Kyrinasaj]

Dutch culture, German culture.

Lol what, I'm Dutch and we've always been divided into the more Catholic south and Protestant hillbilly areas and whatnot. There never was an unified Dutch culture and there will never be.

Also, Frisians aren't the same as Dutch, as are Limburgians/Bourgondians.

I am Dutch as well. The way I see there is a more unified Dutch culture for all Dutch people. Just because they speak a dialect doesn't make them less Dutch.