Right Wing Discussion Thread XIII: Do the Right thing

[Hakons]

I always find it funny that secularists defend paganism.

[Genivaria]

I always find it funny that secularists defend paganism.

Because a secular government in ancient Rome became a sensible position to defend when?

[United Muscovite Nations]

I always find it funny that secularists defend paganism.

Because a secular government in ancient Rome became a sensible position to defend when?

I don't see how that justifies modern secularists defending Pagan Rome and its religious practices.

[Genivaria]

Because a secular government in ancient Rome became a sensible position to defend when?

I don't see how that justifies modern secularists defending Pagan Rome and its religious practices.

I'm not defending it by itself, merely disputing the so common Christian dismissiveness of it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Geni is actually a deep cover pagan, I can confirm this with total accuracy.

[Genivaria]

Geni is actually a deep cover pagan, I can confirm this with total accuracy.

My Celtic roots run deep, totally.

[Hakons]

I don't see how that justifies modern secularists defending Pagan Rome and its religious practices.

I'm not defending it by itself, merely disputing the so common Christian dismissiveness of it.

Excuse us for dismissing barbaric paganism?

[United Muscovite Nations]

I don't see how that justifies modern secularists defending Pagan Rome and its religious practices.

I'm not defending it by itself, merely disputing the so common Christian dismissiveness of it.

He wasn't attacking you specifically, he was pointing out that it's strange how many atheists express support for Roman paganism against the creation of Christian institutions. A good example is CM supporting Julian.

[Genivaria]

I'm not defending it by itself, merely disputing the so common Christian dismissiveness of it.

Excuse us for dismissing barbaric paganism?

Your clear historical ignorance and buying into cartoon caricatures of it yeah, but I know that embracing propaganda is easier than objective research.

[Hakons]

Excuse us for dismissing barbaric paganism?

Your clear historical ignorance and buying into cartoon caricatures of it yeah, but I know that embracing propaganda is easier than objective research.

"I'm not defending paganism!"

"Pagans were noble and righteous and those filthy Christians are all wrong!"

[Sovaal]

I'm not defending it by itself, merely disputing the so common Christian dismissiveness of it.

Excuse us for dismissing barbaric paganism?

Christianity doesn't exactly have a clean track record with dealing with people either.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Excuse us for dismissing barbaric paganism?

Your clear historical ignorance and buying into cartoon caricatures of it yeah, but I know that embracing propaganda is easier than objective research.

While I'm not sure I'd call the whole religion barbaric, there are some pretty yikes stuff in Roman paganism that I think you'd prefer Christianity to. Namely Martian sacrifices of captives, and that one class of priests that had extreme restrictions.

[Genivaria]

I'm not defending it by itself, merely disputing the so common Christian dismissiveness of it.

He wasn't attacking you specifically, he was pointing out that it's strange how many atheists express support for Roman paganism against the creation of Christian institutions. A good example is CM supporting Julian.

Is there some reason that we should oppose paganism? Other than opposing religious claims I mean.

[Hakons]

Excuse us for dismissing barbaric paganism?

Christianity doesn't exactly have a clean track record with dealing with people either.

Yes, but I don't see anything wrong with dismissing paganism, especially from a Christian standpoint. Honestly, am I supposed to apologize that am I Christian and therefor must appose pagans?

[United Muscovite Nations]

He wasn't attacking you specifically, he was pointing out that it's strange how many atheists express support for Roman paganism against the creation of Christian institutions. A good example is CM supporting Julian.

Is there some reason that we should oppose paganism? Other than opposing religious claims I mean.

Human sacrifice.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Your clear historical ignorance and buying into cartoon caricatures of it yeah, but I know that embracing propaganda is easier than objective research.

"I'm not defending paganism!"

"Pagans were noble and righteous and those filthy Christians are all wrong!"

Whilst certain polytheistic religions could be classed as "barbaric" (Germans plz go) it's hardly fair to cover them all with the label and just reeks of a certain bias and lack of research on the topic.

[Genivaria]

Your clear historical ignorance and buying into cartoon caricatures of it yeah, but I know that embracing propaganda is easier than objective research.

While I'm not sure I'd call the whole religion barbaric, there are some pretty yikes stuff in Roman paganism that I think you'd prefer Christianity to. Namely Martian sacrifices of captives, and that one class of priests that had extreme restrictions.

Oh definitely, but the way I see it that's kind of like the Chinese communists outlawing foot binding.

[Genivaria]

Your clear historical ignorance and buying into cartoon caricatures of it yeah, but I know that embracing propaganda is easier than objective research.

"I'm not defending paganism!"

"Pagans were noble and righteous and those filthy Christians are all wrong!"

...you also clearly lack the ability to read.

[Sovaal]

Christianity doesn't exactly have a clean track record with dealing with people either.

Yes, but I don't see anything wrong with dismissing paganism, especially from a Christian standpoint. Honestly, am I supposed to apologize that am I Christian and therefor must appose pagans?

No, you can oppose pagansim based on any reason you want too, nor do you have too or should apologise for being Christian, but imho dismissing multiple religoins based on 'barbarism' is iverly simplistic. Yes, they had many horrible practices, but Christianity doesnt have a flawless track record, although I will give that many of them tend to have less to do with Christian theology so much as it has to do with it's practitioners.

[Hakons]

"I'm not defending paganism!"

"Pagans were noble and righteous and those filthy Christians are all wrong!"

Whilst certain polytheistic religions could be classed as "barbaric" (Germans plz go) it's hardly fair to cover them all with the label and just reeks of a certain bias and lack of research on the topic.

I'm operating from a religious perspective. Pagans either worship fabrications, worship misunderstandings, or worship demons. The spiritual and ethical consequences of this worship is what makes paganism undesirable and contrary to Christianity, for obvious reasons.

[Genivaria]

Christianity doesn't exactly have a clean track record with dealing with people either.

Yes, but I don't see anything wrong with dismissing paganism, especially from a Christian standpoint. Honestly, am I supposed to apologize that am I Christian and therefor must appose pagans?

I oppose Christianity, doesn't stop me from making the effort to understand it.
Opposing something doesn't mean you have to be so ignorant of it.

[Genivaria]

Whilst certain polytheistic religions could be classed as "barbaric" (Germans plz go) it's hardly fair to cover them all with the label and just reeks of a certain bias and lack of research on the topic.

I'm operating from a religious perspective. Pagans either worship fabrications, worship misunderstandings, or worship demons. The spiritual and ethical consequences of this worship is what makes paganism undesirable and contrary to Christianity, for obvious reasons.

And on that level the exact same thing can be said about what you believe by anyone else, so you're on an equal playing field.
Unless there's some other standard you'd like to propose?

[Hakons]

Yes, but I don't see anything wrong with dismissing paganism, especially from a Christian standpoint. Honestly, am I supposed to apologize that am I Christian and therefor must appose pagans?

No, you can oppose pagansim based on any reason you want too, nor do you have too or should apologise for being Christian, but imho dismissing multiple religoins based on 'barbarism' is iverly simplistic. Yes, they had many horrible practices, but Christianity doesnt have a flawless track record, although I will give that many of them tend to have less to do with Christian theology so much as it has to do with it's practitioners.

I apologize for saying barbaric, since that is rude. However, I'm a bit surprised that the RWDT suddenly doesn't like the usage of a previously common word, especially in the usual banter style.

[Genivaria]

No, you can oppose pagansim based on any reason you want too, nor do you have too or should apologise for being Christian, but imho dismissing multiple religoins based on 'barbarism' is iverly simplistic. Yes, they had many horrible practices, but Christianity doesnt have a flawless track record, although I will give that many of them tend to have less to do with Christian theology so much as it has to do with it's practitioners.

I apologize for saying barbaric, since that is rude. However, I'm a bit surprised that the RWDT suddenly doesn't like the usage of a previously common word, especially in the usual banter style.

Way to miss the point.
If someone here said that Africans are nothing but a bunch of savages and got flagged for it it's not the usage of the word 'savages' that got him flagged.

[Hakons]

I'm operating from a religious perspective. Pagans either worship fabrications, worship misunderstandings, or worship demons. The spiritual and ethical consequences of this worship is what makes paganism undesirable and contrary to Christianity, for obvious reasons.

And on that level the exact same thing can be said about what you believe by anyone else, so you're on an equal playing field.
Unless there's some other standard you'd like to propose?

I'm not a secularist, so I'm not going to propose all religions are magically equal and definitely inferior to secularism.

I am a Christian, and therefor Christianity is the correct view.