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Which Japanese Shogunate was the most glorious?

Kamakura Shogunate
16
4%
Ashikaga Shogunate
21
5%
Tokugawa Shogunate
125
28%
MacArthur Shogunate :')
291
64%
 
Total votes : 453

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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:13 am

As each day passes by, I feel myself moving further right. Not full on, but more and more into the centre.
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Postby Painisia » Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:34 am

If I were The Roman Emperor, I would have dissolved The Senate as it was place for opportunists and declare myself the new God of Rome. I would then throw some Plebeians into the lion ring for my amusement. After that, I would create The Republicanus and The Democratus party
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:34 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Here's a thought, what's ya'lls take on if some kind of pan Mongol-Chinese-Japanese empire?
The inspiration for that was from a game mod which took elements from all 3 cultures for a faction called the Lao Che Khanate.

The closest real world thing I can think of would be the Great Yuan Empire if more had been done to assimilate the locals.

I'm predicting shouts of Weeaboo.

Why would you combine two amazing cultures with a boring one? =^)

Poetry tests for government work pls go


What is so bad about the imperial examination? Certainly better than the government only hiring officials from noble families or only hiring STEM majors.

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:12 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Why would you combine two amazing cultures with a boring one? =^)

Poetry tests for government work pls go


What is so bad about the imperial examination? Certainly better than the government only hiring officials from noble families or only hiring STEM majors.

Mmmmm oh baby gimme that Imperial Bureaucracy.

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Postby Uxupox » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:51 am

Genivaria wrote:Here's a thought, what's ya'lls take on if some kind of pan Mongol-Chinese-Japanese empire?
The inspiration for that was from a game mod which took elements from all 3 cultures for a faction called the Lao Che Khanate.

The closest real world thing I can think of would be the Great Yuan Empire if more had been done to assimilate the locals.

I'm predicting shouts of Weeaboo.


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Postby Luminesa » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:53 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:As each day passes by, I feel myself moving further right. Not full on, but more and more into the centre.

The ghost of Marches drags another one to be sacrificed at the altar of Hoppe. :^)))
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Postby Kramanica » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:50 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Beautiful. Kind of music that makes my mind race.

And yeah, it is a shame. I think throat singing could fit pretty well into any genre.

Heavy metal throat singing when?

ARE YOU READY FOR THE FIST OF TEMUJIN?!

How heavy is the metal you want?

That's actually pretty impressive. I feel like that shit has to wear on your throat after a while.
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Postby Kramanica » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:52 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:As each day passes by, I feel myself moving further right. Not full on, but more and more into the centre.

Good, good... let the skepticism flow through you...
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:59 am

Luminesa wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:As each day passes by, I feel myself moving further right. Not full on, but more and more into the centre.

The ghost of Marches drags another one to be sacrificed at the altar of Hoppe. :^)))

I am but his humble priest. The Invisible Hand™ must be sustained.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:18 am

The Vine and Fig Tree wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Why would you combine two amazing cultures with a boring one? =^)

Poetry tests for government work pls go

>Mongolia
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>Amazing

Pick one and only one.

>He hadn't heard of Mongolian wrestling
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Postby Sick Jumps » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:29 am

The Vine and Fig Tree wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Why would you combine two amazing cultures with a boring one? =^)

Poetry tests for government work pls go

>Mongolia
>Culture
>Amazing

Pick one and only one.

>not worshipping Ghengis Khan

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Postby Kramanica » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:43 pm

Cuba should have been annexed after the Spanish-American War.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:44 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:What is so bad about the imperial examination? Certainly better than the government only hiring officials from noble families or only hiring STEM majors.

Even as a humanities major, I must contest the latter.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:45 pm

Kramanica wrote:Cuba should have been annexed after the Spanish-American War.

There's only so many people who aren't white that the US was willing to annex these last two centuries. Well, actually, the Republicans were sympathetic to revolutionary calls in Cuba, but still wanted access to all the sugar.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:47 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Why would you combine two amazing cultures with a boring one? =^)

Poetry tests for government work pls go


What is so bad about the imperial examination? Certainly better than the government only hiring officials from noble families or only hiring STEM majors.

It doesn't test anyone on anything other than their position as a part of the cultural elite, not on how competent they really are at governance. But I guess if those two are synonymous, which it certainly has been throughout history for humans, then one would be disinclined to see a problem.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:49 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Cuba should have been annexed after the Spanish-American War.

There's only so many people who aren't white that the US was willing to annex these last two centuries. Well, actually, the Republicans were sympathetic to revolutionary calls in Cuba, but still wanted access to all the sugar.

The GOP were the ones with the gud bois who wanted to incorporate Cuba and the Philippines properly. And Grant, another Republican, wanted to peacefully annex the Dominican Republic and give it statehood. The GOP used to be the progressive party, supporting the interests of urban industrialists over agrarian rural communities and aristocrats.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:53 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:There's only so many people who aren't white that the US was willing to annex these last two centuries. Well, actually, the Republicans were sympathetic to revolutionary calls in Cuba, but still wanted access to all the sugar.

The GOP were the ones with the gud bois who wanted to incorporate Cuba and the Philippines properly. And Grant, another Republican, wanted to peacefully annex the Dominican Republic and give it statehood. The GOP used to be the progressive party, supporting the interests of urban industrialists over agrarian rural communities and aristocrats.

I know the history of the Republicans- the Party of Lincoln doesn't get my sympathy in the 1860s for nothing, after all- but forgot the details of who did and didn't want to annex Cuba. And Grant wanted to annex DR? I'm not sure if I'm just surprised or somewhat happy! What was the Dem opinion then, anti-imperialist racism?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:02 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:I know the history of the Republicans- the Party of Lincoln doesn't get my sympathy in the 1860s for nothing, after all- but forgot the details of who did and didn't want to annex Cuba. And Grant wanted to annex DR? I'm not sure if I'm just surprised or somewhat happy! What was the Dem opinion then, anti-imperialist racism?

Mostly. Some expressed concerns about the cost of the undertaking. They tried to get Grant to drop the statehood clause in the annexation treaty, but he refused, so it was literally defeated by a tie vote in the Senate.

Personally, I'm still pissed a century and a half later. E M P I R E O F F R E E D O M
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Postby Kramanica » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:03 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Cuba should have been annexed after the Spanish-American War.

There's only so many people who aren't white that the US was willing to annex these last two centuries. Well, actually, the Republicans were sympathetic to revolutionary calls in Cuba, but still wanted access to all the sugar.

IIRC part of the reason it wasn't annexed was because people were too worried that the US was becoming an imperialist power and instead wanted to grant the Cubans independence.

The Spanish-American was in the minds of Americans back then a moral crusade to avenge the USS Maine and liberate Cuba from Spanish "tyranny". Ironically no one really gave a shit about the Philippines or Guam.

Which is kind of ironic since the US would still end up interfering in Cuban affairs and supporting dictators and shit like that.

Hindsight is 20/20. Just annexing the country would have saved us a lot of headaches.
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Postby Zanera » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:05 pm

Show the Cuban the wondrous values of rampant consumerism under a regulated capitalist model and begin to instill them with an American culture, whereby we shall annex them.

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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:22 pm

Zanera wrote:Show the Cuban the wondrous values of rampant consumerism under a regulated capitalist model and begin to instill them with an American culture, whereby we shall annex them.

You mean incorporating unredeemed American heartland under the land controlled by the Constitution of 1787 :p
Kramanica wrote:
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:There's only so many people who aren't white that the US was willing to annex these last two centuries. Well, actually, the Republicans were sympathetic to revolutionary calls in Cuba, but still wanted access to all the sugar.

IIRC part of the reason it wasn't annexed was because people were too worried that the US was becoming an imperialist power and instead wanted to grant the Cubans independence.

The Spanish-American was in the minds of Americans back then a moral crusade to avenge the USS Maine and liberate Cuba from Spanish "tyranny". Ironically no one really gave a shit about the Philippines or Guam.

Which is kind of ironic since the US would still end up interfering in Cuban affairs and supporting dictators and shit like that.

Hindsight is 20/20. Just annexing the country would have saved us a lot of headaches.

Well, the Philippines and Guam put our presence in the world on the other side of the Pacific and provided us with ports to drop anchor in. Holding those, I guess, was more of a strategic concern. But priorities change. And yes, having another great Caribbean state would be lovely! Then Miamians would only have to go 90 miles south rather than 900 miles north to avoid their houses being deluged by seawater seeping under the foundations.
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Postby Zanera » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:34 pm

Whilst reading the Wikipedia article about the Constitution of 1787, I found this article about 'American civil religion'. What are some thoughts on it?

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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:36 pm

Zanera wrote:Whilst reading the Wikipedia article about the Constitution of 1787, I found this article about 'American civil religion'. What are some thoughts on it?

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America...
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:39 pm

Zanera wrote:Whilst reading the Wikipedia article about the Constitution of 1787, I found this article about 'American civil religion'. What are some thoughts on it?

It's beautiful. It's a spirit that should unite us all.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:40 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Zanera wrote:Whilst reading the Wikipedia article about the Constitution of 1787, I found this article about 'American civil religion'. What are some thoughts on it?

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America...

and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all!
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