Right Wing Discussion Thread XIII: Do the Right thing

[United Muscovite Nations]

Pliny's letter to the Emperor Trajan seems to me to imply that they were required to do sacrifices. And most did absolutely take oaths to serve the Emperor when asked, as Pliny even references that there were only a few holdouts who didn't swear fealty when asked.

Pliny's letter also implies that confession to being a Christian was grounds for punishment and that the requirement to make oaths and curse Christ was a way of ferreting out actual Christians, and his reference to the independent revival of traditional religion after the banning of such Christian secret societies suggests that deconversion was the primary result rather than a reconciliation of identities.

True.

[Conserative Morality]

True.

It's unfortunate that such localized persecutions happened in the first place. Tertullian tried to reconcile the identities but I find it somewhat lacking tbh. Antoninus Pius most virtuous Emperor forbidding persecution, prove me wrong tho.

[Fahran]

"Agrarianism" is communism in disguise

The Southern Agrarians in the US were not generally communists. They favored individuals own farms and ranches of a decent size with strong communal institutions (such as churches, ranchmen's associations, and even philanthropic organizations) and common traditions tying communities of farmers and ranchers together. They were generally quite conservative and some of them even idealized the notion of a natural aristocracy with values drawn from sources like the Bible, the Iliad, and so forth.

[Conserative Morality]

They were generally quite conservative and some of them even idealized the notion of a natural aristocracy with values drawn from sources like the Bible, the Iliad, and so forth.

*Yankeeism intensifies*

[United Muscovite Nations]

True.

It's unfortunate that such localized persecutions happened in the first place. Tertullian tried to reconcile the identities but I find it somewhat lacking tbh. Antoninus Pius most virtuous Emperor forbidding persecution, prove me wrong tho.

You'll find no argument from me, I love Antoninus.

[United Muscovite Nations]

They were generally quite conservative and some of them even idealized the notion of a natural aristocracy with values drawn from sources like the Bible, the Iliad, and so forth.

*Yankeeism intensifies*

Come now, friend, we have buckwheat cakes and Injun batter!

[Fahran]

What is really "shitty" is the Trump tax plan that is eliminating deductions for state and local income taxes. If you really think about this, it is basically an attempt to strengthen the federal government at the expense of states. It is a betrayal of the principles of federalism.

It actually punishes states that have higher than average local taxes if I recall correctly. Ideally, I would prefer a delegation of greater powers and more revenues to the states, but, given that California has been intransigent towards the administration on multiple issues and that they're arguably benefiting at the expense red states with this specific policy, I can understand why Trump wants to bully them. For their part, the DNC can't really complain with all the mud they've hurled at Reagan - who originated the modern trend of devolution of power to the states through various means. That said, my ambivalence towards all things Trump should be well-known by now. Just... eek.

You should. They are very important in fighting legal battles and ensuring we don't fall to the Nazi Pug syndrome that so haunts Europe.

I respected the ACLU's consistency over the course of the past few years, but they have been compromising on their principles a lot and breaking heavily with progressive politics over what I would consider civil liberties in the past couple months. This is merely the latest example. Also, we don't need more security theater.

[Fahran]

That's because The Lion Of Judah was the hero Ethiopia deserved and needed, but the aristocrats and the reds betrayed and backstabbed him preventing Ethiopia from ruling the world like it was always meant to.

I unironically believe this by the way. Mengistu Haile Mariam was an unadulterated disaster for Ethiopia.

[Conserative Morality]

I unironically believe this by the way. Mengistu Haile Mariam was an unadulterated disaster for Ethiopia.

Normally I'm the first to call for the guillotine when it comes to monarchs, but Haile Selassie was literally a radical reformer and a true patriot. Overthrowing him was the stupidest thing the Derg could have done.

[Conserative Morality]

>> when you claim to be a republican and a democrat but you secretly fanboy over enlightened absolutists

I-I can stop anytime I want

[Bienenhalde]

It seems that Ethiopia and Eritrea finally are getting in a peace process. But I think the monarchists here wants Haile Selassie back. The man who was literally worshiped as a God among Bob Marley fans

I would certainly like to see Ethiopia to restore its monarchy. But Haile Selassie is long dead now and the Rastafarians are heretics. I do not intend any disrespect to proper Ethiopian Orthodox Christians, though.

[United Muscovite Nations]

>> when you claim to be a republican and a democrat but you secretly fanboy over enlightened absolutists

I-I can stop anytime I want

Once you're hooked on absolutism, you can't get out. Monarchism is just an itch that needs to be scratched. : ^)

[The South Falls]

>> when you claim to be a republican and a democrat but you secretly fanboy over enlightened absolutists

I-I can stop anytime I want

Once you're hooked on absolutism, you can't get out. Monarchism is just an itch that needs to be scratched. : ^)

Oh, no. Are we agrarianist monarchists now? Just stop. This is too far right.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Once you're hooked on absolutism, you can't get out. Monarchism is just an itch that needs to be scratched. : ^)

Oh, no. Are we agrarianist monarchists now? Just stop. This is too far right.

I've been a monarchist for a couple years now, you need to keep up.

[The South Falls]

Oh, no. Are we agrarianist monarchists now? Just stop. This is too far right.

I've been a monarchist for a couple years now, you need to keep up.

The steering wheel has jammed right.

[Fahran]

>> when you claim to be a republican and a democrat but you secretly fanboy over enlightened absolutists

I-I can stop anytime I want

You probably have Napoleon posters hung in your room and a plush of Catherine the Great resting on a pillow beside the one where you'll rest your head tonight.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I've been a monarchist for a couple years now, you need to keep up.

The steering wheel has jammed right.

This is an adequate explanation of how I got to where I am: https://i.imgur.com/yOogwBn.png

[Conserative Morality]

You probably have Napoleon posters hung in your room and a plush of Catherine the Great resting on a pillow beside the one where you'll rest your head tonight.

my waifu

[Fahran]

my waifu

That Corsican upstart?

Says the girl who wants a republic with a natural aristocracy.

Wait? Is CM moving to the right of even me?

[The South Falls]

The steering wheel has jammed right.

This is an adequate explanation of how I got to where I am: https://i.imgur.com/yOogwBn.png

Makes perfect sense. You probs crashed into agrarianism.

[Conserative Morality]

That Corsican upstart?

Says the girl who wants a republic with a natural aristocracy.

Wait? Is CM moving to the right of even me?

Napoleon's only mistake was not remaining first consul and/or emphasizing that his position as emperor was as a Roman primus inter pares

And cheating on Josephine.

[Fahran]

Makes perfect sense. You probs crashed into agrarianism.

We really should make a distinction between right-wing and left-wing agrarianism. There's some overlap, but there are differences as well.

Napoleon's only mistake was not remaining first consul and/or emphasizing that his position as emperor was as a Roman primus inter pares

So you'll support the perpetual dictatorship of James Norman Mattis Arabicus Caesar as long as he compares himself to Aurelian? Excellent. Let me just get that in writing. Sign here, here, and here.

[Old Tyrannia]

my waifu

That Corsican upstart?

Says the girl who wants a republic with a natural aristocracy.

Wait? Is CM moving to the right of even me?

Aristocratic republicanism is acceptable at a city-state level. Historical precedent suggests that any significantly larger state either needs to be highly decentralised or a monarchy. See the fate of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Confederate States and the late Roman Republic.

[United Muscovite Nations]

That Corsican upstart?

Says the girl who wants a republic with a natural aristocracy.

Wait? Is CM moving to the right of even me?

Napoleon's only mistake was not remaining first consul and/or emphasizing that his position as emperor was as a Roman primus inter pares

And cheating on Josephine.

Josephine shot first.

[Fahran]

Josephine shot first.

True.