Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:22 amAstra Novus wrote:I've had enough of this trashy metal music playing in my supermarket elevators
Hold up.
Which supermarkt plays metal music?
Hold up.
Which supermarkt plays metal music?
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Should heavy metal be banned?
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:22 amHold up.
Which supermarkt plays metal music?
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:22 amOh, well, in that case your opinion is appalling on multiple levels.
Gracia Divina wrote:Hurdergaryp wrote:Gracia Divina is playing the role of devout edgelord quite well, with all the ample life experience available to him or her.
I just don't care about statues! I think the other guy was saying that the killing of the Native American people was really not so bad but I am being hated for dismissing some bits of marble!
Genocide and the wanton destruction of historical works of art are certainly not equivalent, but they are both wrong.
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:23 amIfreann wrote:Gracia Divina wrote:I don't really care for statues like this anyway.
Oh, well, in that case your opinion is appalling on multiple levels.Gracia Divina wrote:I just don't care about statues! I think the other guy was saying that the killing of the Native American people was really not so bad but I am being hated for dismissing some bits of marble!
Genocide and the wanton destruction of historical works of art are certainly not equivalent, but they are both wrong.
The latter often is a precursor of an authoritarian regime that does the former.
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:23 amWhat is considered heavy metal has changed over the decades. Heavy metal used to be Steppenwolf, which is now considered "Classic Rock" or "Classic Metal". The only metal thing about it to modern listeners is that songs like "Born to Be Wild" are meant to be played super loud because they're that kind of song.
I am not a metal guru or nerd. I like a bit of classic rock, a little nu metal, quite a bit of alt metal, and a lot of German industrial metal. Personally I think half the problem comes from the "metal purists" that are all "If it's not a man screaming bloody murder into a mic for 4 minutes straight, it's not metal". Metal nowadays is all about pushing harder and harder to capture some intangible idea of "hardness" or "edge" or "metal". If that's your thing, that's your thing, and if you want to sing about sacrificing babies to the black altar of Belphegor, I don't really care. It's important that you monitor your thought processes and understand that what is in music is not necessarily what should be in reality. Music is a way of expressing hopes, fears, desires, and thoughts that may not be socially acceptable but are relatable or you feel the urge to say regardless.
Studies have suggested that there is a link between country music and suicide, anyway, and trying to assign a certain kind of music as a major contributor to certain behavior is just an example of moral panic. We already dealt with this BS during the 80s with the religious fundamentalists claiming that DnD and metal music was turning kids to sacrificing animals to Satan, and people saying that German metal and Marilyn Manson contributed to the Columbine shooting instead of poor parenting and a lack of accountability by authorities.
I am not a metal guru or nerd. I like a bit of classic rock, a little nu metal, quite a bit of alt metal, and a lot of German industrial metal. Personally I think half the problem comes from the "metal purists" that are all "If it's not a man screaming bloody murder into a mic for 4 minutes straight, it's not metal". Metal nowadays is all about pushing harder and harder to capture some intangible idea of "hardness" or "edge" or "metal". If that's your thing, that's your thing, and if you want to sing about sacrificing babies to the black altar of Belphegor, I don't really care. It's important that you monitor your thought processes and understand that what is in music is not necessarily what should be in reality. Music is a way of expressing hopes, fears, desires, and thoughts that may not be socially acceptable but are relatable or you feel the urge to say regardless.
Studies have suggested that there is a link between country music and suicide, anyway, and trying to assign a certain kind of music as a major contributor to certain behavior is just an example of moral panic. We already dealt with this BS during the 80s with the religious fundamentalists claiming that DnD and metal music was turning kids to sacrificing animals to Satan, and people saying that German metal and Marilyn Manson contributed to the Columbine shooting instead of poor parenting and a lack of accountability by authorities.
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:23 amHow did I defend them?
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:24 amPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:24 amIfreann wrote:Gracia Divina wrote:I don't really care for statues like this anyway.
Oh, well, in that case your opinion is appalling on multiple levels.Gracia Divina wrote:I just don't care about statues! I think the other guy was saying that the killing of the Native American people was really not so bad but I am being hated for dismissing some bits of marble!
Genocide and the wanton destruction of historical works of art are certainly not equivalent, but they are both wrong.
Artistic tastes make me appalling? Also apparently I am a lover of Islamic State. I really am learning all my sins on this site.
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:25 amThanks for understanding. Your colleague is still making very serious accusations of me however? Maybe you can convince him, I'm trying.
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:26 amGracia Divina wrote:Ifreann wrote:Oh, well, in that case your opinion is appalling on multiple levels.
Genocide and the wanton destruction of historical works of art are certainly not equivalent, but they are both wrong.
Artistic tastes make me appalling? Also apparently I am a lover of Islamic State. I really am learning all my sins on this site.
Do.... you think that everything you don’t have a taste for should be thrown into the sea?
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:28 amGracia Divina wrote:Artistic tastes make me appalling? Also apparently I am a lover of Islamic State. I really am learning all my sins on this site.
In your innocence, you managed to write almost 180 posts (thus far) on the day you joined this site. Damn, you went straight for the deep end of NationStates General! Sin doesn't even being to describe it!
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:28 amIf it does no harm to God and his people, I surely wouldn't mind.
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:28 amDawlat-i-Aliya wrote:A while ago someone put up an argument for banning heavy metal, which I agree is a bad idea, however, it’s hard to deny that some forms of black metal (especially the scandanavian kind) do actively promote bad behavior: church burnings, murders, suicide, racism, nazism, general nastiness. Black metal isn’t the only genre of music to deal with these topics, but black metal musicians actively promote this kind of stuff; or at least some of them anyway. If black metal is music with this sort of nihilist/satanist/violence inciting ideology, as opposed to just a musical style, shouldn’t it be banned? Nazi symbolism is severely restricted in Germany, in many countries holocaust denial literature is banned. While I respect freedom of speech, I think black metal should be restricted because some artists do incite their fans to commit crime; Norwegian church burnings being an example of that.
It shouldn't be because regardless of it's so called "incitement" it's art first and for most.
Restricting human rights is a worse crime then any so called "incitement".
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:29 amHurdergaryp wrote:Gracia Divina wrote:Artistic tastes make me appalling? Also apparently I am a lover of Islamic State. I really am learning all my sins on this site.
In your innocence, you managed to write almost 180 posts (thus far) on the day you joined this site. Damn, you went straight for the deep end of NationStates General! Sin doesn't even being to describe it!
I have a lot of free time today and people keep replying to me! I have started only about seven discussions I think.
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:30 amMost of us frown upon iconoclasm. Also, how is it even possible to harm a mythical entity that is supposed to be omnipotent & omniscient?
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:31 amPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:31 amPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:31 amPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:31 amPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:31 amPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:33 amThat is not what I did, I was instead showing you how meaningless your argument to me was. Hurdegaryp understood exactly what I meant. Perhaps he can explain it better than I can to you.
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:35 am
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:36 amPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:37 amGracia Divina wrote:The New California Republic wrote:Mentioning "good points" of Islamic State and Hitler to offset what I was saying. Defending them.
That is not what I did, I was instead showing you how meaningless your argument to me was. Hurdegaryp understood exactly what I meant. Perhaps he can explain it better than I can to you.
I mention Islamic State and you start saying "good" points about Islamic State. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:38 amPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:38 amOk so what I am getting that you would not care if some statues were thrown in the sea correct? Well I guess since your saying you would not mind for it to happen and not saying it should. Well that is kind of a odd but harmless way to think.