Should heavy metal be banned?

[North Coldmont]

While I respect freedom of speech, I think black metal should be restricted because some artists do incite their fans to commit crime; Norwegian church burnings being an example of that.

Yes, but the Norwegian church burnings happened in the 90s and most of those people were prosecuted & convicted.
Not every artist is like the few who incite this kind of thing - yes maybe those artists should face consequences but the many shouldn't be punished for the actions of the few.

I'm sure you know that this kind of thing happens when people generalise others.

[The Lone Alliance]

SNIP

Well if we should ban music that supports dangerous ideologies then maybe it's time to ban the Islamic call to prayer.

But I bet you wouldn't like that now would you?

[USS Monitor]

A while ago someone put up an argument for banning heavy metal, which I agree is a bad idea, however, it’s hard to deny that some forms of black metal (especially the scandanavian kind) do actively promote bad behavior: church burnings, murders, suicide, racism, nazism, general nastiness. Black metal isn’t the only genre of music to deal with these topics, but black metal musicians actively promote this kind of stuff; or at least some of them anyway. If black metal is music with this sort of nihilist/satanist/violence inciting ideology, as opposed to just a musical style, shouldn’t it be banned? Nazi symbolism is severely restricted in Germany, in many countries holocaust denial literature is banned. While I respect freedom of speech, I think black metal should be restricted because some artists do incite their fans to commit crime; Norwegian church burnings being an example of that.

Merged into the existing thread about banning heavy metal because the topics are so similar.

Metal songs about historical warships that might also be NS mods...

good stuff. This is now your theme song of my headcannon-ish saga of the NS mods.

instead of going against metal, this thread got me more into it.

It is kinda catchy.

[Scomagia]

Artists are not responsible for the behavior of their fans unless they are directly instructing people to commit crime. In any fanbase there will be a sufficiently dysfunctional population that will cause harm to others based on their interpretation of the media. The problem is with those folks, not the media to which they point as their "influence".

[The South Falls]

SNIP

Well if we should ban music that supports dangerous ideologies then maybe it's time to ban the Islamic call to prayer.

But I bet you wouldn't like that now would you?

We could ban plastic. Guns have plastic. And air. All the guns have air too.

[Kannap]

I have no interest in listening to heavy metal personally, but some people like it so let them listen to it in peace.

[Farnhamia]

I have no interest in listening to heavy metal personally, but some people like it so let them listen to it in peace.

I agree. They can listen to it on some desert islands in the South Pacific, no problem.

[Geneviev]

I have no interest in listening to heavy metal personally, but some people like it so let them listen to it in peace.

I agree. They can listen to it on some desert islands in the South Pacific, no problem.

Cool! This is the best excuse yet to go to an abandoned island. Thanks.

[Farnhamia]

I agree. They can listen to it on some desert islands in the South Pacific, no problem.

Cool! This is the best excuse yet to go to an abandoned island. Thanks.

Sure thing. I hear some of those islands can be a lot of fun.

[Ethel mermania]

I have no interest in listening to heavy metal personally, but some people like it so let them listen to it in peace.

I agree. They can listen to it on some desert islands in the South Pacific, no problem.

I agree.

Some enchanted evening, you may see a stranger,
You may see a stranger across a crowded room,
And somehow you know, you know even then,
That somehow you'll see here again and again.
Some enchanted evening, someone may be laughing,
You may hear her laughing across a crowded room,
And night after night, as strange as it seems,
The sound of her laughter will sing in your dreams.

Who can explain it, who can tell you why?
Fools give you reasons, wise men never try.
Some enchanted evening, when you find your true love,
When you hear her call you across a crowded room,
Then fly to her side and make her your own,
Or all through your life you may dream all alone.
Once you have found her, never let her go,
Once you have found her, never let her go.

Like that?

[Farnhamia]

I agree. They can listen to it on some desert islands in the South Pacific, no problem.

I agree.

Some enchanted evening, you may see a stranger,
You may see a stranger across a crowded room,
And somehow you know, you know even then,
That somehow you'll see here again and again.
Some enchanted evening, someone may be laughing,
You may hear her laughing across a crowded room,
And night after night, as strange as it seems,
The sound of her laughter will sing in your dreams.

Who can explain it, who can tell you why?
Fools give you reasons, wise men never try.
Some enchanted evening, when you find your true love,
When you hear her call you across a crowded room,
Then fly to her side and make her your own,
Or all through your life you may dream all alone.
Once you have found her, never let her go,
Once you have found her, never let her go.

Like that?

Exactly like that, though it could also be like ...

Most people live on a lonely island,
Lost in the middle of a foggy sea.
Most people long for another island,
One where they know they will like to be.

Bali Ha'i may call you,
Any night, any day,
In your heart, you'll hear it call you:
"Come away...Come away."

Bali Ha'i will whisper
On the wind of the sea:
"Here am I, your special island!
Come to me, come to me!"
Your own special hopes,
Your own special dreams,
Bloom on the hillside
And shine in the streams.
If you try, you'll find me
Where the sky meets the sea.
"Here am I your special island
Come to me, Come to me."

Bali Ha'i,
Bali Ha'i,
Bali Ha'i!

Someday you'll see me floatin' in the sunshine,
My head stickin' out from a low flyin' cloud,
You'll hear me call you,
Singin' through the sunshine,
Sweet and clear as can be:
"Come to me, here am I, come to me."
If you try, you'll find me
Where the sky meets the sea.
"Here am I your special island
Come to me, Come to me."

Bali Ha'i,
Bali Ha'i,
Bali Ha'i!

[Ethel mermania]

I agree.

Some enchanted evening, you may see a stranger,
You may see a stranger across a crowded room,
And somehow you know, you know even then,
That somehow you'll see here again and again.
Some enchanted evening, someone may be laughing,
You may hear her laughing across a crowded room,
And night after night, as strange as it seems,
The sound of her laughter will sing in your dreams.

Who can explain it, who can tell you why?
Fools give you reasons, wise men never try.
Some enchanted evening, when you find your true love,
When you hear her call you across a crowded room,
Then fly to her side and make her your own,
Or all through your life you may dream all alone.
Once you have found her, never let her go,
Once you have found her, never let her go.

Like that?

Exactly like that, though it could also be like ...

Most people live on a lonely island,
Lost in the middle of a foggy sea.
Most people long for another island,
One where they know they will like to be.

Bali Ha'i may call you,
Any night, any day,
In your heart, you'll hear it call you:
"Come away...Come away."

Bali Ha'i will whisper
On the wind of the sea:
"Here am I, your special island!
Come to me, come to me!"
Your own special hopes,
Your own special dreams,
Bloom on the hillside
And shine in the streams.
If you try, you'll find me
Where the sky meets the sea.
"Here am I your special island
Come to me, Come to me."

Bali Ha'i,
Bali Ha'i,
Bali Ha'i!

Someday you'll see me floatin' in the sunshine,
My head stickin' out from a low flyin' cloud,
You'll hear me call you,
Singin' through the sunshine,
Sweet and clear as can be:
"Come to me, here am I, come to me."
If you try, you'll find me
Where the sky meets the sea.
"Here am I your special island
Come to me, Come to me."

Bali Ha'i,
Bali Ha'i,
Bali Ha'i!

I adore that show, so let's keep south Pacific, ... tonkinese.

[Farnhamia]

Exactly like that, though it could also be like ...

I adore that show, so let's keep south Pacific, ... tonkinese.

I know, me too. Michener got 1% of the gross. Wiki sayeth, "The production had a $50,600 weekly gross, and ran for 1,925 performances. The national tour began in 1950 and grossed $3,000,000 in the first year, making $1,500,000 in profit." Michener said he never regretted settling for that 1%.

But we digress.

[Dawlat-i-Aliya]

I’m not suggesting that black metal is inherently bad because it promotes a bad set of ideas, but because many black metal artists promote and support activities that are criminal and argue that their music should be correctly interpreted as a call for people to commit crime. When crimes are committed in their name, metal musicians often come out in support of such actions and state that actions, like church burnings or suicide, are in line with their ideological views and the logical outcome of listening to their music. If a person was to make music about slaying Jews, if one of their fans went out and murdered a Jew and the arists was to say ‘I fully support this. This is detinately what my music aims to achieve and is an accuarate interpretation of the lyrics.’ We could argue that this is an instance in which an artist should be banned or censored or legally punished in some way because they are inciting real world violence.

[USS Monitor]

When crimes are committed in their name, metal musicians often come out in support of such actions and state that actions, like church burnings or suicide, are in line with their ideological views and the logical outcome of listening to their music.

Want to provide some sources? More than just one obscure band, please.

[Hurdergaryp]

When crimes are committed in their name, metal musicians often come out in support of such actions and state that actions, like church burnings or suicide, are in line with their ideological views and the logical outcome of listening to their music.

Want to provide some sources? More than just one obscure band, please.

Statements are many, but sources are few.

[Herador]

Want to provide some sources? More than just one obscure band, please.

Statements are many, but sources are few.

So, out of interest, I googled "metal musicians encourage crimes in their name" and I got:

• A single ten year old CNN article.
• A few listicles.
• And a bunch of panic pieces from tiny sites that seem to be run by hacks.

And the CNN article ends with: "So while upside-down crucifixes, homicidal zombies and lashings of blood might continue to fuel our preconceptions about heavy metal music, it's worth remembering, appearances and reality can be very different beasts indeed. " So I don't think that it necessarily supports the idea.

Compelling stuff.

[Herador]

Well if we should ban music that supports dangerous ideologies then maybe it's time to ban the Islamic call to prayer.

But I bet you wouldn't like that now would you?

We could ban plastic. Guns have plastic. And air. All the guns have air too.

The Adhan was used as a cover to send messages during the city fights in Iraq 2: Electric Boogaloo. Clearly, they can be used for harm and should, using this rationale, be banned.

Also the Star Spangled Banner, it's about a battle and could incite youths.

Also Horror movies, basically killer training videos, amirite?

Also romantic movies, it's fueling views about relationships that make certain young people become hostile on the internet.

Also any and all Anime for promoting anything from the objectification of women and therefore the encouragement-of-violence against women to giving young people a totally unrealistic expectation of adolescence and high school which will no doubt affect them poorly in the long run to... whatever the fuck is happening in Made in Abyss.

In fact, ban all Media, just to be safe. I'll meet everyone 'round back of the Target at 7:00 for a book burning.

[The Free Joy State]

We could ban plastic. Guns have plastic. And air. All the guns have air too.

The Adhan was used as a cover to send messages during the city fights in Iraq 2: Electric Boogaloo. Clearly, they can be used for harm and should, using this rationale, be banned.

Also the Star Spangled Banner, it's about a battle and could incite youths.

Also Horror movies, basically killer training videos, amirite?

Also romantic movies, it's fueling views about relationships that make certain young people become hostile on the internet.

Also any and all Anime for promoting anything from the objectification of women and therefore the encouragement-of-violence against women to giving young people a totally unrealistic expectation of adolescence and high school which will no doubt affect them poorly in the long run to... whatever the fuck is happening in Made in Abyss.

In fact, ban all Media, just to be safe. I'll meet everyone 'round back of the Target at 7:00 for a book burning.

Oh, there's so much more stuff you can ban...

Apparently harmless children's entertainment such as Bambi -- how could those animals talk if they're not possessed? Hello, devil-worship! Burn it!

Into the Woods -- features the lyrics "Witches can be right, giants can be good; You decide what's right. You decide what's good." -- Moral relativism. Onto the bonfire it goes.

Little Women: a woman raising her children alone, and not falling apart, wailing and pulling out her hair, while the father's off at war. Clearly a covert attempt to encourage single motherhood.

The musical Chicago is full of pulsating lusts and killers getting away with murder; clearly setting a bad example to men, women and small children. Meanwhile Wicked encourages sedition against the government and Avenue Q is full of nihilism, sex, risky behaviour and cursing. Clearly, the theatre must also be destroyed.

All forms of entertainment, in fact, besides embroidery and making woodcarvings could clearly lead to all manner of worldly temptations.

I'll get the firewood. You bring the burning torches. /s

[Hurdergaryp]

The Adhan was used as a cover to send messages during the city fights in Iraq 2: Electric Boogaloo. Clearly, they can be used for harm and should, using this rationale, be banned.

Also the Star Spangled Banner, it's about a battle and could incite youths.

Also Horror movies, basically killer training videos, amirite?

Also romantic movies, it's fueling views about relationships that make certain young people become hostile on the internet.

Also any and all Anime for promoting anything from the objectification of women and therefore the encouragement-of-violence against women to giving young people a totally unrealistic expectation of adolescence and high school which will no doubt affect them poorly in the long run to... whatever the fuck is happening in Made in Abyss.

In fact, ban all Media, just to be safe. I'll meet everyone 'round back of the Target at 7:00 for a book burning.

Oh, there's so much more stuff you can ban...

Apparently harmless children's entertainment such as Bambi -- how could those animals talk if they're not possessed? Hello, devil-worship! Burn it!

Into the Woods -- features the lyrics "Witches can be right, giants can be good; You decide what's right. You decide what's good." -- Moral relativism. Onto the bonfire it goes.

Little Women: a woman raising her children alone, and not falling apart, wailing and pulling out her hair, while the father's off at war. Clearly a covert attempt to encourage single motherhood.

The musical Chicago is full of pulsating lusts and killers getting away with murder; clearly setting a bad example to men, women and small children. Meanwhile Wicked encourages sedition against the government and Avenue Q is full of nihilism, sex, risky behaviour and cursing. Clearly, the theatre must also be destroyed.

All forms of entertainment, in fact, besides embroidery and making woodcarvings could clearly lead to all manner of worldly temptations.

I'll get the firewood. You bring the burning torches. /s

Know that I have seen embroidery and woodcarvings of a very lascivious, even salacious nature.

[The Free Joy State]

Oh, there's so much more stuff you can ban...

Apparently harmless children's entertainment such as Bambi -- how could those animals talk if they're not possessed? Hello, devil-worship! Burn it!

Into the Woods -- features the lyrics "Witches can be right, giants can be good; You decide what's right. You decide what's good." -- Moral relativism. Onto the bonfire it goes.

Little Women: a woman raising her children alone, and not falling apart, wailing and pulling out her hair, while the father's off at war. Clearly a covert attempt to encourage single motherhood.

The musical Chicago is full of pulsating lusts and killers getting away with murder; clearly setting a bad example to men, women and small children. Meanwhile Wicked encourages sedition against the government and Avenue Q is full of nihilism, sex, risky behaviour and cursing. Clearly, the theatre must also be destroyed.

All forms of entertainment, in fact, besides embroidery and making woodcarvings could clearly lead to all manner of worldly temptations.

I'll get the firewood. You bring the burning torches. /s

Know that I have seen embroidery and woodcarvings of a very lascivious, even salacious nature.

Good point. All embroidery and woodcarvings must be made using patterns selected from a pre-approved Master List by the soon-to-be established Ministry of Moral Masters and Makers.

[USS Monitor]

Know that I have seen embroidery and woodcarvings of a very lascivious, even salacious nature.

Good point. All embroidery and woodcarvings must be made using patterns selected from a pre-approved Master List by the soon-to-be established Ministry of Moral Masters and Makers.

Embroidery and wood carving still involve the use of sharp objects. Better ban those too for safety.

[The Free Joy State]

Good point. All embroidery and woodcarvings must be made using patterns selected from a pre-approved Master List by the soon-to-be established Ministry of Moral Masters and Makers.

Embroidery and wood carving still involve the use of sharp objects. Better ban those too for safety.

Ah yes, true. In my eagerness to see that people had some active entertainment, I ignored the inherent dangers of embroidery needles and cutting tools.

I think -- for safety -- we had better ban all entertainment, except the lost art of sitting and staring at walls.

[The South Falls]

Embroidery and wood carving still involve the use of sharp objects. Better ban those too for safety.

Ah yes, true. In my eagerness to see that people had some active entertainment, I ignored the inherent dangers of embroidery needles and cutting tools.

I think -- for safety -- we had better ban all entertainment, except the lost art of sitting and staring at walls.

Walls could collapse. Ban all of anything, because everything is s gigantic hazard. Hell, this quote is a hazard cause you could choke to death laughing.

[Soufrika]

Clearly, heavy metal should be restricted and controlled