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Reploid Productions wrote:

Pope Joan wrote:I did not even know "Folk Metal" was a thing. Seriously?

Enjoy! And the least expected of metal instrumentation... BAGPIPES! (Haven't listened to Eluveitie in ages, thanks for the reminder!)

Immoren wrote:

Pope Joan wrote:I did not even know "Folk Metal" was a thing. Seriously?

I sure love fiddle solo amids my metal session.

Racist Commonwelath of East Virginia wrote:

The Free Joy State wrote:No.

Studies have actually found that, contrary to views that it is nihilistic and harmful, heavy metal may help people process negative emotions and purge anger and depression.

It's a news link, but it says this:

Leah Sharman from the University of Queensland's School of Psychology is researching the impact of music on society.

She said a study of 39 adults aged between 18 and 34 found they were inspired and calmer when they listened to heavy metal.

So, probably not harmful. May actually help.

Also, free expression.


Roll on September.

Queensland is not a decent university. American academy of pediatrics is superior and more trustworthy than liberal dominated academics looking for a headline.

Tekania wrote:

Racist Commonwelath of East Virginia wrote:

Queensland is not a decent university. American academy of pediatrics is superior and more trustworthy than liberal dominated academics looking for a headline.

If you actual read the AAP's "study" (I use the term loosely) it's nothing but cite after cite of correlations and established absolutely nothing in the way of any cause-effect relationship to back conclusion.

The Free Joy State wrote:

Tekania wrote:
If you actual read the AAP's "study" (I use the term loosely) it's nothing but cite after cite of correlations and established absolutely nothing in the way of any cause-effect relationship to back conclusion.

Can you provide a link to the AAP study, please? I've asked the OP for the link twice, and they haven't provided it (for reasons that become ever more obvious with your post).

I'm usually a quick searcher, but I can't seem to find this one.

Hurdergaryp wrote:

The Free Joy State wrote:Can you provide a link to the AAP study, please? I've asked the OP for the link twice, and they haven't provided it (for reasons that become ever more obvious with your post).

I'm usually a quick searcher, but I can't seem to find this one.

Does the AAP even exist, or is this one of those institutions that are only mentioned in fake news articles put online for covert agitprop purposes?

Dylar wrote:

Hurdergaryp wrote:Does the AAP even exist, or is this one of those institutions that are only mentioned in fake news articles put online for covert agitprop purposes?

It exists mainly for child healthcare stuffs.

The Free Joy State wrote:

Dylar wrote:It exists mainly for child healthcare stuffs.

That link I found. I found a few generic music studies, mostly analyses of other people's work -- there was one from 1996 (but that 22 year old study can't be what the OP meant) -- but I didn't find any study specific to heavy metal.

The Free Joy State wrote:

Dylar wrote:It exists mainly for child healthcare stuffs.

That I found. I found a few generic music studies, mostly analyses of other people's work -- there was one from 1996 (but that 22 year old study can't be what the OP meant) -- but I didn't find anything specific to heavy metal.

Dylar wrote:

The Free Joy State wrote:That link I found. I found a few generic music studies, mostly analyses of other people's work -- there was one from 1996 (but that 22 year old study can't be what the OP meant) -- but I didn't find any study specific to heavy metal.

Hang on, I think I found it Unless you already saw this one, that is.

The Free Joy State wrote:

Dylar wrote:Hang on, I think I found it Unless you already saw this one, that is.

I read that one. It does a surface analysis of studies, but it's pretty basic. There's no evidence of causation (just discusses changing tastes in music and broad social trends that will surprise pretty much no-one).

It singles out metal and rap among other music, but doesn't suggest banning it, merely that parents should be aware of what music their children are into, regulate T.V. viewing according to the maturity of the child (which still isn't banning it, as no six year old should probably be listening to death metal anyway), and that music producers should make more music that promotes positive values.

That's pretty much it.

Pope Joan wrote:-snip-

USS Monitor wrote:Metal songs about historical warships that might also be NS mods...

Pope Joan wrote:These 25 subgenres come from a listing at the metalinjection website.

You would need to do a forced-choice approach to arrive at who to ban first. Seriously, some of this approaches elevator music!

Alternative Metal – Basically late 90s, early 00 radio rock like Korn, Disturbed and Papa Roach
Nu Metal – Korn is listed here again, obviously, other acts include Drowning Pool, Mudvayne, Sevendust
Hard Rock – This seems to mean classic rock like Van Halen, Whitesnake and Ted Nugent.
Groove Metal Modern mainstream metal like Machine Head, Trivium and Devildriver
Rap Metal – Not sure how this differs from nu metal, but featured acts include Linkin Park, POD, Limp Bizkit
Funk Metal – Faith No More, Rage Against The Machine, Red Hot Chili Peppers amongst the listed acts.
Metal – aka VH1 classic metal, like Iron Maiden, King Diamond and Motorhead
Metalcore – Warped Tour metal like Atreyu, Bullet for My Valentine and All That Remains.
Speed Metal – Similar to just Metal, features Megadeth, Accept, Slayer
Melodic Metalcore – Basically, the new wave of American heavy metal like Killswitch Engage, Darkest Hour, Unearth
Industrial Metal – Marilyn Manson, Rammstein, Orgy, Powerman 5000, Static X
Progressive Metal – Queensryche, Dream Theater, Symphony X
Power Metal – Sabaton, Firewind, Edguy
Death Metal – Death, Obituary, Deicide, Dying Fetus
Thrash Metal – Slayer, Testament, Anthrax, Exodus, Kreator
Glam Metal – Motley Crue, Quiet Riot, Def Leppard, Dokken
Melodic Death Metal – basically Swedish metal, In Flames, Soilwork, Dark Tranquility, etc.
Neo Classical Metal – Kamelot, Stratovarius, Dragonforce
Symphonic Metal – Epica, Within Temptation, Nightwish
Death Core – Whitechapel, Suicide Silence, Chelsea Grin, Carnifex
Gothic Metal – Lacuna Coil, Within Temptation
German Metal – Edguy, Rage, Helloween
Gothic Symphonic Metal – Epica, Delain, Leaves' Eyes
Stoner Rock – Orange Goblin, Fu Manchu, High on Fire
Folk Metal – Eluveitie, Tursias, Finntroll, Moonsorrow

I did not even know "Folk Metal" was a thing. Seriously?

Ratateague wrote:Metal should definitely never be banned. There will always be those puritanical religious groups that go out of their way to cherrypick titles, lyrics, satanic themes, and certain subgenres in order to illustrate a demon that has to be addressed. That is a gross misrepresentation of the totality of metal. It can be wicked, it can be righteous, it can be mysterious. I can't stress enough how positive, moving, and uplifting metal can be! And I can't agree enough with the finding that metal alleviates negative emotions. Being one of the Power / Progressive / Neoclassical camp, I shy away from most of the dark, harsh, growly, or shrieking sounds that's found in those "ebil metal" subgenres (with the exception of some Goth, Doom/Stoner, and Avante-Garde metal). Just listen to Angra, Sonata Arctica, or Symphony X. Some of it borders on the religious, what you'd expect from some progressive worship music, only listenable!

I even remember what got me into metal: Power Rangers. That's right, Ron Wasserman really knew how to shred on children's TV!

Pope Joan wrote:These 25 subgenres come from a listing at the metalinjection website.

You would need to do a forced-choice approach to arrive at who to ban first. Seriously, some of this approaches elevator music!

Alternative Metal – Basically late 90s, early 00 radio rock like Korn, Disturbed and Papa Roach
Nu Metal – Korn is listed here again, obviously, other acts include Drowning Pool, Mudvayne, Sevendust
Hard Rock – This seems to mean classic rock like Van Halen, Whitesnake and Ted Nugent.
Groove Metal Modern mainstream metal like Machine Head, Trivium and Devildriver
Rap Metal – Not sure how this differs from nu metal, but featured acts include Linkin Park, POD, Limp Bizkit
Funk Metal – Faith No More, Rage Against The Machine, Red Hot Chili Peppers amongst the listed acts.
Metal – aka VH1 classic metal, like Iron Maiden, King Diamond and Motorhead
Metalcore – Warped Tour metal like Atreyu, Bullet for My Valentine and All That Remains.
Speed Metal – Similar to just Metal, features Megadeth, Accept, Slayer
Melodic Metalcore – Basically, the new wave of American heavy metal like Killswitch Engage, Darkest Hour, Unearth
Industrial Metal – Marilyn Manson, Rammstein, Orgy, Powerman 5000, Static X
Progressive Metal – Queensryche, Dream Theater, Symphony X
Power Metal – Sabaton, Firewind, Edguy
Death Metal – Death, Obituary, Deicide, Dying Fetus
Thrash Metal – Slayer, Testament, Anthrax, Exodus, Kreator
Glam Metal – Motley Crue, Quiet Riot, Def Leppard, Dokken
Melodic Death Metal – basically Swedish metal, In Flames, Soilwork, Dark Tranquility, etc.
Neo Classical Metal – Kamelot, Stratovarius, Dragonforce
Symphonic Metal – Epica, Within Temptation, Nightwish
Death Core – Whitechapel, Suicide Silence, Chelsea Grin, Carnifex
Gothic Metal – Lacuna Coil, Within Temptation
German Metal – Edguy, Rage, Helloween
Gothic Symphonic Metal – Epica, Delain, Leaves' Eyes
Stoner Rock – Orange Goblin, Fu Manchu, High on Fire
Folk Metal – Eluveitie, Tursias, Finntroll, Moonsorrow

I did not even know "Folk Metal" was a thing. Seriously?

Wow, really nice list. Just a couple complaints. Doom metal is not on there and neither is Type O Negative. How they could pass Peter Steele up on even the Gothic lists is dumbfounding. Avante-Garde and Jazz metal are missing, but no one misses them. While the bands listed under Neoclassical metal technically are, they fit more appropriately into the Power, Progressive, or Symphonic spheres. Apocalyptica, Vinnie Moore, or Yngwie Malmsteen might be a better representation. Minor nitpicking, take it or leave it.

If anyone cares, I've been keeping up a "radio station" dispatch, which features Power, Prog, Goth, Doom/Stoner, and some Neoclassical.

Ratateague wrote:If anyone cares, I've been keeping up a "radio station" dispatch, which features Power, Prog, Goth, Doom/Stoner, and some Neoclassical.

Pope Joan wrote:These 25 subgenres come from a listing at the metalinjection website.

You would need to do a forced-choice approach to arrive at who to ban first. Seriously, some of this approaches elevator music!

Alternative Metal – Basically late 90s, early 00 radio rock like Korn, Disturbed and Papa Roach
Nu Metal – Korn is listed here again, obviously, other acts include Drowning Pool, Mudvayne, Sevendust
Hard Rock – This seems to mean classic rock like Van Halen, Whitesnake and Ted Nugent.
Groove Metal Modern mainstream metal like Machine Head, Trivium and Devildriver
Rap Metal – Not sure how this differs from nu metal, but featured acts include Linkin Park, POD, Limp Bizkit
Funk Metal – Faith No More, Rage Against The Machine, Red Hot Chili Peppers amongst the listed acts.
Metal – aka VH1 classic metal, like Iron Maiden, King Diamond and Motorhead
Metalcore – Warped Tour metal like Atreyu, Bullet for My Valentine and All That Remains.
Speed Metal – Similar to just Metal, features Megadeth, Accept, Slayer
Melodic Metalcore – Basically, the new wave of American heavy metal like Killswitch Engage, Darkest Hour, Unearth
Industrial Metal – Marilyn Manson, Rammstein, Orgy, Powerman 5000, Static X
Progressive Metal – Queensryche, Dream Theater, Symphony X
Power Metal – Sabaton, Firewind, Edguy
Death Metal – Death, Obituary, Deicide, Dying Fetus
Thrash Metal – Slayer, Testament, Anthrax, Exodus, Kreator
Glam Metal – Motley Crue, Quiet Riot, Def Leppard, Dokken
Melodic Death Metal – basically Swedish metal, In Flames, Soilwork, Dark Tranquility, etc.
Neo Classical Metal – Kamelot, Stratovarius, Dragonforce
Symphonic Metal – Epica, Within Temptation, Nightwish
Death Core – Whitechapel, Suicide Silence, Chelsea Grin, Carnifex
Gothic Metal – Lacuna Coil, Within Temptation
German Metal – Edguy, Rage, Helloween
Gothic Symphonic Metal – Epica, Delain, Leaves' Eyes
Stoner Rock – Orange Goblin, Fu Manchu, High on Fire
Folk Metal – Eluveitie, Tursias, Finntroll, Moonsorrow

I did not even know "Folk Metal" was a thing. Seriously?

Reploid Productions wrote:Almost wondering if maybe we should move this thread over to A&F since it's turning less into a debate about banning metal and more of a general metal discussion thread! Especially as it seems anyone who was arguing in favor of banning or restricting metal music seems to have abandoned the thread completely and we're all swapping metal songs.

Racist Commonwelath of East Virginia wrote:

Otira wrote:No, music should be open to free expression.

If weed is banned, why shouldn’t heavy metal be banned? It promotes a culture of anger, rage and nihilism that is harmful.

Fireye wrote:

Racist Commonwelath of East Virginia wrote:If weed is banned, why shouldn’t heavy metal be banned? It promotes a culture of anger, rage and nihilism that is harmful.

[citation needed] for the bolded.