Should heavy metal be banned?

[Puldania]

It isn't. Which is why I don't understand why I am being called authoritarian.

You grossly misunderstood what I just said.

You don't want to let people listen to the music that they want to listen to. You want people who listen to a certain genre of music to be put on watch lists. That will stigmatize that certain genre of music. Ergo, people will not be free to listen to the music that they want to listen to. Ergo, that makes you authoritarian.

Well I don't want the watchlists anymore. Keep up!

[Petrolheadia]

Are you purposefully not explaining your theory?

Did you miss my post? The one with sources and the like?

If that's the best you can do, give up.

[Great Mojave]

Restricting freedom is inherently bad, even if said freedom is loud and smells faintly of pyrotechnic chemicals. If parents don't want their children to listen to 'impure' music, then they have every right to take away the child's music. But the govt has no place or right to protect us from music, when people are starving in the street and becoming votes rather than people at the hands of liberal social policies, such as Affirmative Action, Corporate Welfare, and inefficient welfare policies

[Puldania]

Sorry If I sound a tad rude but, Is this an actual question?
I mean, sure, it's a bit violent sometimes, but most media's like that. Doesn't mean we should ban "Die Hard" and all that.
Besides, The Devil could listen to smooth jazz for all we know, If you catch my drift.

The Devil most definitely listens to Schoenburg.

[The New California Republic]

When I say watchlist, what I mean is that when viewing a profile for someone accused of a crime, authorities would be able to see a general list of the type of music they listened to, or what other sources they could have possibly gotten their motives from.

Nice Stasi rehash you have got going there. What a horrible Orwellian nightmare you must have in mind, to actually be able to pry into a person's life to such an extent that a horrific vision such as this one would actually be feasible...

[The New California Republic]

You grossly misunderstood what I just said.

You don't want to let people listen to the music that they want to listen to. You want people who listen to a certain genre of music to be put on watch lists. That will stigmatize that certain genre of music. Ergo, people will not be free to listen to the music that they want to listen to. Ergo, that makes you authoritarian.

Well I don't want the watchlists anymore. Keep up!

Where did you say that? Show me.

[Harmoor]

Besides, if all y'all were worried about is the affect of violent media causing people to be violent, shouldn't you be worrying about Horror-core or Juggalo music instead of Heavy Metal?

[Puldania]

Did you miss my post? The one with sources and the like?

If that's the best you can do, give up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_controversies

here's a convenient list for you, if you're interested.

[Puldania]

Well I don't want the watchlists anymore. Keep up!

Where did you say that? Show me.

Uhhhh, with Geneviev?

[Puldania]

When I say watchlist, what I mean is that when viewing a profile for someone accused of a crime, authorities would be able to see a general list of the type of music they listened to, or what other sources they could have possibly gotten their motives from.

Nice Stasi rehash you have got going there. What a horrible Orwellian nightmare you must have in mind, to actually be able to pry into a person's life to such an extent that a horrific vision such as this one would actually be feasible...

They already do this, just not with music.

[Puldania]

All I'm arguing right now is that music can influence the views and ideas of people, and have, throughout history.

[Diopolis]

There should be legal limits in place on the amount of syncopation found in music. While this would logically exclude heavy metal, it would also exclude such more straightforwards examples of jungle music as old school rock and roll, swing jazz, and pop.

[The New California Republic]

Where did you say that? Show me.

Uhhhh, with Geneviev?

Link to it please.

Nice Stasi rehash you have got going there. What a horrible Orwellian nightmare you must have in mind, to actually be able to pry into a person's life to such an extent that a horrific vision such as this one would actually be feasible...

They already do this, just not with music.

Ahh yes, the good ol' "they have such and such information in the database already, what's the harm of just adding this other information to the database too?" argument. That argument is complete bull, it doesn't provide any justification at all.

[Harmoor]

All I'm arguing right now is that music can influence the views and ideas of people, and have, throughout history.

That's no reason to go ahead and ban the entire genre, though. We might as well go ban action films, Boxing And Top Gear whilst we're at it, since all of those can influence people if they're inclined enough to go out and murder the nearest 5th grader because their favourite song has a few too many screams.

[Puldania]

There should be legal limits in place on the amount of syncopation found in music. While this would logically exclude heavy metal, it would also exclude such more straightforwards examples of jungle music as old school rock and roll, swing jazz, and pop.

Now THIS is absurd. You realize syncopation is prevalent in literally every singe genre of music?

[Puldania]

All I'm arguing right now is that music can influence the views and ideas of people, and have, throughout history.

That's no reason to go ahead and ban the entire genre, though. We might as well go ban action films, Boxing And Top Gear whilst we're at it, since all of those can influence people if they're inclined enough to go out and murder the nearest 5th grader because their favourite song has a few too many screams.

I NEVER SAID I WANTED TO BAN THE ENTIRE GENRE

[Herador]

That's no reason to go ahead and ban the entire genre, though. We might as well go ban action films, Boxing And Top Gear whilst we're at it, since all of those can influence people if they're inclined enough to go out and murder the nearest 5th grader because their favourite song has a few too many screams.

I NEVER SAID I WANTED TO BAN THE ENTIRE GENRE

You just want to take steps to marginalize it. Totally different.

[Puldania]

Not really either. In a few isolated minorities, maybe. But not really.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not an expert in the matter, I'm not a psychologist. If you say it helps your mental illness, I'll trust you.

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[Puldania]

I NEVER SAID I WANTED TO BAN THE ENTIRE GENRE

You just want to take steps to marginalize it. Totally different.

And I changed my mind. Guess what? I'm young, I'm naive. I change my mind sometimes.

[Hurdergaryp]

There should be legal limits in place on the amount of syncopation found in music. While this would logically exclude heavy metal, it would also exclude such more straightforwards examples of jungle music as old school rock and roll, swing jazz, and pop.

Now THIS is absurd. You realize syncopation is prevalent in literally every singe genre of music?

Diopolis clearly is an enemy of joy, so this is not a problem according to him.

[The New California Republic]

That's no reason to go ahead and ban the entire genre, though. We might as well go ban action films, Boxing And Top Gear whilst we're at it, since all of those can influence people if they're inclined enough to go out and murder the nearest 5th grader because their favourite song has a few too many screams.

I NEVER SAID I WANTED TO BAN THE ENTIRE GENRE

Nope, just marginalize and stigmatize it by putting anyone who listens to music in said genre to be put on a watch list.

[Puldania]

I NEVER SAID I WANTED TO BAN THE ENTIRE GENRE

Nope, just marginalize and stigmatize it by putting anyone who listens to music in said genre to be put on a watch list.

Does anyone on this site fucking read?

[Hurdergaryp]

I NEVER SAID I WANTED TO BAN THE ENTIRE GENRE

Nope, just marginalize and stigmatize it by putting anyone who listens to music in said genre to be put on a watch list.

Doesn't stop me from currently listening to Belial, Finnish black death metal from the nineties, though.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I NEVER SAID I WANTED TO BAN THE ENTIRE GENRE

Nope, just marginalize and stigmatize it by putting anyone who listens to music in said genre to be put on a watch list.

Is that really marginalizing or stigmatizing it though? I can guarantee more than a few people on this forum are probably on watchlists, are they being marginalized or stigmatized?

[Petrolheadia]

There should be legal limits in place on the amount of syncopation found in music. While this would logically exclude heavy metal, it would also exclude such more straightforwards examples of jungle music as old school rock and roll, swing jazz, and pop.

They may take our lives, but they'll never take our AC/DC!